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Reading your post made me comb through both World of Thedas and The Calling and the timeline does say that Alistair was born in 9:10 and The Calling happened in 9:14. However, it also states that Maric allowed the Wardens back into Ferelden in 9:10 as well, whereas in the novel he only gives the Wardens permisson to return as a full order in-between chapter 19 and the epilogue(with roughly a year skip between them). So while it's obviously not definitive proof that Alistair is Fiona's child, I don't feel the possibility can be dismissed.

I'd also like to point out that the timeline says Bhelen is the middle child, whereas I just completed Orzamar on an Origins playthrough and it was stated a good half-dozen times that he was the youngest, so unfortunately the timeline isn't 100% accurate regardless. Which is a bit funny considering the intro by Mike Laidlaw says the book is "ruthlessly fact checked".

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A few updates to the WoT book in case anyone has missed/forgotten about it.

Page 141: There are rumors in some circles of an intelligent darkspawn known as the Architect, who attempted to unearth and kill the remaining Old Gods and taint the entire surface world. Though the timeline says 9:14 Dragon, most reliable sources state these events actually occurred in 9:10 Dragon.

:devil:


I'd also prefer a third Theirin kid, to be honest =/.

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Well, The Warden irrevocably impacted several societies and meddled in politics continually, which can include our protagonist convincing a senior Grey Warden to become the King of an entire nation, and that's not even getting into a possible mage protagonist asking for the Circle of Ferelden to be free of the Andrastian Chantry or serving as a high noble as the new Arl of Amaranthine in violation of Chantry law.


The Warden got to pick between two political leaders, and changed one society. Fionna was instrumental in actually putting mages on the path to freedom, and did not than have someone who actually did all the work tell her to pick between two sides. 

Fionna's by far the greater figure in politics in Thedas. 


The Warden can have an impact on the future of Orzammar, the village of Redcliffe, the society of Haven, the fate of Zathrian's clan, and the leadership of Ferelden.

I'm not trying to denigrate Fiona's role as Grand Enchanter - I simply meant that, given how the Hero of Ferelden can continually meddle in politics (especially the controversial actions that can be made by a mage protagonist, as I stated above) - I don't think the Wardens would see it as a big deal for Fiona to become Grand Enchanter of the Circles of Magi.

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I totally thought Alistair was actually the baby that Fiona and Duncan brought to Maric for, like, years. I've recently changed my opinion on that one.

According to the timeline in World of Thedas, Alistair was born four years before the events of The Calling. So I don't really see how Fiona could be his mom. However, this does mean there's another one of Maric's children out there in Thedas if this dragon blood thing that's being explored in the comics becomes an important part of the story. Even if Alistair isn't in your version of Thedas the Theirin bloodline lives on.


cool theory.. exept Alistair looks exactly like cailan.. son of maric.

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LobselVith8 wrote...
The Warden can have an impact on the future of Orzammar, the village of Redcliffe, the society of Haven, the fate of Zathrian's clan, and the leadership of Ferelden.


Ozammar counts, but Redcliffe is a hick town in the backwoods of Thedas, and Haven is a hick town in the hick town of Thedas. There's a big difference in "influence" too. In every political decision the Warden makes, he or she is literally picking a pre-set card. You either get Bhelen or Harrowmont - you don't engage in years of political manuevering to build a coalition to put pressure on your oppresive jailers. 

I think that makes a big difference in terms of being involved. Put another way - I think Alistair becoming King of Ferelden or the Warden becoming Arl of Amaranthine is a way bigger deal that just picking a leader in the context of the Blight, because it's not lasting political power in the former case. 

I'm not trying to denigrate Fiona's role as Grand Enchanter - I simply meant that, given how the Hero of Ferelden can continually meddle in politics (especially the controversial actions that can be made by a mage protagonist, as I stated above) - I don't think the Wardens would see it as a big deal for Fiona to become Grand Enchanter of the Circles of Magi.


Right, I'm not denying that, I'm just saying that there's a difference between being in a situation where you're stuck making a political choice to get an unrelated thing you want and being a politician. 

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xxx2emo4Uxxx wrote...

leborum wrote...

I totally thought Alistair was actually the baby that Fiona and Duncan brought to Maric for, like, years. I've recently changed my opinion on that one.

According to the timeline in World of Thedas, Alistair was born four years before the events of The Calling. So I don't really see how Fiona could be his mom. However, this does mean there's another one of Maric's children out there in Thedas if this dragon blood thing that's being explored in the comics becomes an important part of the story. Even if Alistair isn't in your version of Thedas the Theirin bloodline lives on.


cool theory.. exept Alistair looks exactly like cailan.. son of maric.

Did you read the post at all? Nobody is claiming that Maric did not father Alistair.

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leborum wrote...

I totally thought Alistair was actually the baby that Fiona and Duncan brought to Maric for, like, years. I've recently changed my opinion on that one.

According to the timeline in World of Thedas, Alistair was born four years before the events of The Calling. So I don't really see how Fiona could be his mom. However, this does mean there's another one of Maric's children out there in Thedas if this dragon blood thing that's being explored in the comics becomes an important part of the story. Even if Alistair isn't in your version of Thedas the Theirin bloodline lives on.


I think this is the case, considering there is a possibility in some playthrough from DAO that Alistair is dead, so BW probably need at least one child of Maric who has the Dragon Blood in him / her.

But considering there was a change in the timeline--this is just mindless speculation on my part--I think that initially the child that Fiona brought was actually Alistair, but Gaider never made it clear cause I think he hadn't plan to have this blood of Theirin concept to play a part in future DA titles. Also in an old post Gaider stated that Maric is dead, but this was retconned with the comics.

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Plaintiff wrote...

xxx2emo4Uxxx wrote...

leborum wrote...

I totally thought Alistair was actually the baby that Fiona and Duncan brought to Maric for, like, years. I've recently changed my opinion on that one.

According to the timeline in World of Thedas, Alistair was born four years before the events of The Calling. So I don't really see how Fiona could be his mom. However, this does mean there's another one of Maric's children out there in Thedas if this dragon blood thing that's being explored in the comics becomes an important part of the story. Even if Alistair isn't in your version of Thedas the Theirin bloodline lives on.


cool theory.. exept Alistair looks exactly like cailan.. son of maric.

Did you read the post at all? Nobody is claiming that Maric did not father Alistair.


did you read the post i was replying to at all? 

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xxx2emo4Uxxx wrote...

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xxx2emo4Uxxx wrote...

leborum wrote...

I totally thought Alistair was actually the baby that Fiona and Duncan brought to Maric for, like, years. I've recently changed my opinion on that one.

According to the timeline in World of Thedas, Alistair was born four years before the events of The Calling. So I don't really see how Fiona could be his mom. However, this does mean there's another one of Maric's children out there in Thedas if this dragon blood thing that's being explored in the comics becomes an important part of the story. Even if Alistair isn't in your version of Thedas the Theirin bloodline lives on.


cool theory.. exept Alistair looks exactly like cailan.. son of maric.

Did you read the post at all? Nobody is claiming that Maric did not father Alistair.


did you read the post i was replying to at all? 

Yes I did, and nowhere does it make any attempt to speculate that Maric is not Alistair's father.

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We hope so if she is his real mother.

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Even if they meet, Fiona didn't want him to know, right? So she won't be telling him.

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^I know Alistair isn't exactly a Mensa candidate, but he might be able to put the pieces together on his own. Since she left the Grey Wardens it seems less likely that they would just bump into each other (I could see a Warden Alistair ended up on an assignment with Warden Fiona), but now that she's leading the mages, he'd probably have to seek her out.

Vrex_12 wrote...

But considering there was a change in the timeline--this is just mindless speculation on my part--I think that initially the child that Fiona brought was actually Alistair, but Gaider never made it clear cause I think he hadn't plan to have this blood of Theirin concept to play a part in future DA titles. Also in an old post Gaider stated that Maric is dead, but this was retconned with the comics.

Since the WoT timeline update, I'm totally back on my Fiona is Alistair's mom conspiracy theory. It seems like there's still some wiggle room if there needs to be a third Theirin though, since it's never officially been confirmed. Also, I don't remember DG saying Maric was dead. I think he was just "lost at sea."

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Actually, I think Alistair was quite well read and well educated. He had a lot of information (history, geography, religion, politics) at hand that he would share with the Warden. In someways he would lead from behind. He would give information to the Warden and the Warden would respond. He did mention that he enjoyed the education he recieved in the Chantry.
I agree, if he discovered that Maric travelled with Fiona, nine months or so before he was born and Fiona was a friend of Duncan, he might wonder. I always make Alistair King, because he seemed to have a good balance of knowledge, skill, and humility, wit and charm. Depite his initial insecurity and lack of confidence, he stepped up to plate and did his duty.
As King, even as a Warden, he could be referred to in DA:I but I would be surprized if there was any interaction between them. I am not sure how many characters from the books and comics will make an appearance inDA:I anyway. Who knows, maybe Fiona is dead. I assume that Inquisition takes place sometimes aftervthe events in Asunder, and if there was a revolt she could have perished.

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I believe that in those timelines where Alistair became king, the knowledge of his mother can throw him off his throne very quickly. Many in the Landsmeet would be disgusted to learn that he's a half-elf and his mother was a former bed slave, continuously raped and beaten by her owner. In fact, to some it's worse than bringing a prostitute from some brothel and making her kid a king.

Besides, Fiona is a traitor to the Grey Wardens(she left them) and has a Mary-Sueish trait - she will not succumb to the taint like Warden or Nathaniel or many other good people will. That alone makes me annoyed when I read about her. 'Sides, how come she's the Head Enchanter, when the Mage Warden liberated the mages in Ferelden and the Mage Hawke started the Mage-Templar war? That's stealing the player's glory... and here goes another Mary-Sueish trait again. Frankly, I think she's a poorly executed character who doesn't inspire love or hate in me, just annoyance, and I'd rather not see her in the games at all.

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I do think Fiona is Alistair's mother, based on The Calling and the WoT timeline correction. I agree that, if they were to meet, she probably wouldn't tell him since she didn't want him to face the stigma of being the child of an elf and a mage to begin with, and why would that change? Especially if he's King Alistair. I totally agree that the Landsmeet would throw a fit if they found out about Alistair's elf or mage blood... Remember that Connor being a mage was a serious problem for the noble Guerrin family, and to draw on DAII, the Kirkwall Amells are disgraced by having magical bloodlines, too.

Since Theirin dragon blood is a thing in the comics, I seriously wonder if that's how Fiona was cured of her darkspawn taint (babies pass blood and other cells along to their mothers while in utero). But then it doesn't make a lot of sense that Alistair could become a Grey Warden at all - and he definitely does, since he can sense darkspawn in DA:O. The only explanation I can come up with for this is that the Theirin dragon blood can only fight off darkspawn taint over time (it wasn't something that happened all at once for Fiona, either), and wouldn't immediately nullify the taint taken on during a warden recruit's Joining. If this is the case, Alistair might eventually be free of the taint himself.

In the Epilogue of The Calling, Fiona tells Maric "[The taint] is gone. The mages at Weisshaupt weren't sure if it was because the First Enchanter's brooch sped things up artificially, or... at any rate, all the corruption vanished." She also tells him that they performed test after test on her (if you were one of what must be many resentful Grey Wardens, wouldn't you want to know if a cure existed, too?), and were recalling her to Weisshaupt permanently in order to keep an eye on her. She never elaborates on the "or..." It occurs to me that she might be wondering whether Maric/being pregnant with Maric's child might have had something to do with her miraculous recovery, but this is left up to fan speculation. :)

It seems to me that another reason Fiona might want her son to be raised in isolation is because she doesn't want the Grey Wardens experimenting on him, too. This would be a logical progression if the Weisshaupt mages decide that Remille's brooch wasn't responsible for the increased rate of corruption and its subsequent reversal, after all. We do not know if the Grey Wardens let her go with her baby, or whether she is AWOL in order to take the baby somewhere safe. It is just possible that Duncan, a close friend of hers in The Calling, knew or believed that the effects of the Joining would not be permanent on Alistair, and that's why he didn't have a problem with putting Alistair through the Joining. It is also possible that the older, more experienced Duncan in DA:O was just doing his duty as a Grey Warden, which includes doing whatever it takes to end a Blight - even if that means poisoning your friend's son, a promising young warrior who could also be heir to a kingdom.

What this means for DA:I, if anything, remains to be seen. They might meet, they might not. But I have doubts that a King Alistair will ever learn that she was his mother, because the problem with having elf/mage blood in the Fereldan royal line remains. Other versions of Alistair might find out.

Modifié par ladyiolanthe, 18 juillet 2013 - 03:25 .


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Well, old thread, but just to end this discussion...

 

https://twitter.com/...584356337487872

 

Confirmed by Mike Laidlaw, the creative director for Dragon Age, on Twitter that Alistair is truly Fiona's son. You people with your conspiracy theories...



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My Inquisitor will murder knife Fiona before letting that secret out.



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*ahem*
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AND the fact that Alistair can be executed at Landsmeet, or sacrificed to the Archdemon.......

 

EDIT: NICE pic!


Modifié par Gold Dragon, 29 septembre 2014 - 10:49 .


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*ahem*
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I'm quite proud of my necromancy magic, yes.



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I don't really know who Fiona is, other than something to do with the extended universe.

 

I just hope that *if* anything from the novels/comics/whatever makes it into the game, it is fully explained within the game, and doesn't rely on familiarity with the extended universe in order to make sense.

 

From what I gather, Fiona is Alistair's mother, but is also some other significant character who is alive and doing something significant. If the subject crops up in game (and I really doubt that it should) I would hope that we get a proper explanation for Alistair's mother not being a servant woman who died, rather than just assuming everybody knows, or saying "LOL BUY OUR BOOKS".

 

I mean, I expect Cole to get a proper introduction and explanation in the game, for the benefit of those who didn't read Asunder. This is no different.



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*snip*  If the subject crops up in game (and I really doubt that it should) *snip*

 

Grand Enchanter and de facto leader of the mage rebellion. Yep, shouldn't even get a mention...



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Grand Enchanter and de facto leader of the mage rebellion. Yep, shouldn't even get a mention...

 

I already said I didn't know her specific role, but that's not really relevant as I was fairly blatantly referring to the relationship between her and Alistair, and while they'll both be in the game there is no guarantee they will meet, and if they meet there is no guarantee the subject of parentage will come up... which is what I was talking about when I said I didn't think it should.

 

But by all means go ahead and pretend like I said SHE shouldn't be in the game at all, if it gives you opportunity to make snarky remarks.



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Fiona was a militant hoe in Asunder. Hopefully, I can execute her.



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Honestly I know that the arc is said to be present in DA:I;  but I don't know why she wouldn't be at the peace conference with the Divine and be therefor dead.  



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Didn't the Dev's confirm Alistair was Fiona's child twice? once at Gaymer and the other on the Q&A with the devs?