i agree they shouldn't be in da3 i see no valid reason why they would or could. i mean they need to avoid doing hawk what they did to the warden which is mess with their ending the only wardens who good a happy ending are the male ones who romanced morrigen and went into the portal with her.Fast Jimmy wrote...
I feel like everyone will look the exact same (despite being aged 10 years), will be in the same situation, regardless of any previous decision or choice and will wind up being a rather flat cliche of their former selves... like Zevran ready to hop into a threesome and Allistair saying "swooping is bad" for no reason whatsoever.
Part of me would be happy if we didn't see any of our previous companions at all in DA3. A very big part of me, in fact.
How our companions have developed over time
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#51
Posté 14 mai 2013 - 02:18
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Posté 14 mai 2013 - 02:19
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the only wardens who good a happy ending are the male ones who romanced morrigen and went into the portal with her.
Is that a... sexual... innunendo?
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Posté 14 mai 2013 - 02:23
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heh no u just have a dirty mindFast Jimmy wrote...
the only wardens who good a happy ending are the male ones who romanced morrigen and went into the portal with her.
Is that a... sexual... innunendo?
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Posté 14 mai 2013 - 02:24
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Fast Jimmy wrote...
the only wardens who good a happy ending are the male ones who romanced morrigen and went into the portal with her.
Is that a... sexual... innunendo?
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Posté 16 mai 2013 - 04:26
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I think just some kind of mention of the political situation in Ferelden is good enough to describe what's going on for Alistair, it could be based on previous saves and whatever it says about Fereldan would give a clear enough indication of what happened to him without being too fan wanky.
He's the only one with a big enough profile to really be spoken of at all unless they're involved in the events of the game, except Sten/Arishok I guess.
I'd like to see something from Morrigan, just because I want to know what the hell she was up to with that portal thing. But I think that would be too involved to be a cameo thing.
I don't know it's tricky because I like seeing old characters but it has to feel natural for them to be there or it's just lame, and with the many different choices and results it can't be easy to write cameos that cover all the bases. I really hope they don't bring anyone else back from the dead though.
He's the only one with a big enough profile to really be spoken of at all unless they're involved in the events of the game, except Sten/Arishok I guess.
I'd like to see something from Morrigan, just because I want to know what the hell she was up to with that portal thing. But I think that would be too involved to be a cameo thing.
I don't know it's tricky because I like seeing old characters but it has to feel natural for them to be there or it's just lame, and with the many different choices and results it can't be easy to write cameos that cover all the bases. I really hope they don't bring anyone else back from the dead though.
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Posté 16 mai 2013 - 01:09
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We need to avoid the fan wankiness, yes.
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Posté 16 mai 2013 - 06:14
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This is how I see our past companions' current states, with a wall of text!
Morrigan - I expect she's more Flemeth-y than she used to be. Although her bond with the Warden *may* have softened her a little while she was with them, she's spent almost ten years who-knows-where through an Eluvian with only her God Baby for company. And her only model of motherhood is her abusive mother. I expect to see a darker Morrigan if the ritual was taken. If not, I'm not sure. Probably a more socially adept Morrigan (if no less ruthless), because I think she gets into politics, right?
Alistair - whether a king or a Warden, I imagine he becomes more pragmatic over the years, and although I think he keeps his humour, I think it would be more like Varric's humour (and less 'precocious manchild' humour). I think the humour would be less pronounced than the bitterness if he's king and Loghain lives. As a drunk, I imagine that he's cleaned himself up, but is still a bit 'reformed Oghren' - seemingly a bit of a joke, bitter and prone to depression.
Zevran - I don't think his personality will have changed much, but I can see him having a clearer goal in life. Perhaps he would also be more likely to take responsibility for things too (for instance, in DA2, he asks the Dalish to reveal his location to his pursuers, so the clan won't be hurt). If things are leading up to an elven uprising, I can see him taking an active part, but probably not before he's taken some sort of revenge against the Crow masters. Or taken them over. Or shut them down. I can see that going various ways.
Sten - I think he returns to the Qun with a more open mind than when he left. Although he'd still whole-heartedly believe in it, he'd be more likely to make allowances for people and have a less invasion-happy view of Thedas than the rest of the Qunari. Though I don't think he'd ever turn Tal-Vashoth, I can imagine he would be less conventional than other Qunari.
Loghain, Nathaniel, Oghren and Sigrun - I see the same future for these, so I'll group them together. I think they'll remain in the Wardens, devoted to the cause. Nathaniel will have his link to his nephew and sister to keep him grounded and human. Seeing as Loghain will be reaching the end of his life, he'll be making peace with his past, and if Anora is queen, he will be more actively interested in politics. I think his view on Orlais could go either way, depending on what it's really like there, and what they're plans are. I think Oghren will be more serious and show more of the responsibility and maturity we saw at the end of DAO. He will also be active in his child's life, and perhaps have more self esteem as a result of being a Warden. Sigrun will also remain in the Wardens. I don't think she's taken her Calling yet, though I think she might have some self-doubt over the fact she's putting it off (therefore not fulfilling her obligation to the Legion).
Velanna - I think she may have remained with the Wardens, and though I think her social skills would have improved and she would be more tolerant of humans, I think she would be more desperate and bitter about Seranni (especially if the Architect is dead). Staying with the Wardens would probably be more about taking revenge on the darkspawn by that point. However, I think if an elven rebellion is imminent, I think she would jump at the chance to participate - possibly from the side of the city elves, considering how long she'll have lived away from the Dalish by this point.
Janders - If Anders was spared at the end of DA2, I think he runs off and stews for a bit, before trying to take an active part in the rebellion. There's seriously nothing else he can do. It's his whole reason for being. I think the knowledge that it's actually happening might help stabilise him mentally, though I could see him getting frantic whenever it looks like the templars might win, the mages submit/compromise, etc. If Anders is dead, I could see a slither of Vengeance wearing his body as a flesh suit and killing in random madness, like a rage demon.
Isabela - one way or another, Isabela will have her ship. I can see her attempting to continue her old life, but soon realising that being a pirate doesn't work if you have scruples. She'd probably end up taking more modern-day pirate cliche work. Going on adventures and never doing anything more villainous than robbing a rich noble. I expect her personality to be quite similar to what we see in Act 3.
Merrill - She's with Isabela on her ship, and I won't accept any other story! Although, I suppose I could see her trying to help city elves. She can't go back to the Dalish, but I think she'd get involved in an elven rebellion, just like Velanna. There's also a chance she would get involved in the mage rebellion. I think that through a rivalry path, she would have a lot more self-doubt than before though, not wanting to take on much individual responsibility and instead just pitching in with everyone else. She also might be less tolerant of risky, dangerous behaviour. However, through a friendship path, I think she would be more willing to push the boundaries and commit more fully to the freedom-fighter thing.
Carver/Bethany - If Bethany was part of the Circle, she's either with Hawke, or part of the mage rebellion, or both. Although she's more amenable to the Circle's teachings (and more likely to compromise), she will fight for mage freedom. I could see Circle!Bethany holding similar beliefs to Asunder!Wynne though, being spiritual and idealistic. If a Warden, I think she would grudgingly remain with them if they really do have some important issue going on at the moment (instead of running off with her sibling or joining the rebellion). I suppose might even run off and do it herself, but she will be more ruthless and unlikely to compromise than Circle!Beth. Carver as a templar might stick with the Divine (if she's a little more balanced as she seems to be in Asunder). I definitely don't see him running off to help kill the mages, but I don't think he'd help them either. He'd likely be conflicted about the whole scenario. As a Grey Warden, I can't really see him helping the rebellion either, but there's more chance of it. Instead, I see him throwing himself into the Warden duty, like Nathaniel, Loghain, etc, and becoming a very mature, confident man.
Sebastian - if Anders lives, I think he'll do everything he can to take back Starkhaven, and use the newfound power to hunt Anders. I think he'd be very bitter, and decisive to the point of recklessness. He'd also be a lot less pleasant, quicker to anger and turn on people. I could see Fenris with him, leading part of his army as Sebastian once suggested, but I know that won't ever happen.
Fenris - I don't think Fenris has really come to terms with his past even by the end of DA2, so I think that aside from being more trusting, he would still be quite jaded and bitter. I could see him either helping to stop the mage rebellion, pursuing a more individual bit of revenge in Tevinter, or abandoning conventional society altogether to find a place within a group that will respect him and agree with his views on mages. Maybe something to replace the Fog Warriors. Of course, I'd prefer to see him either with Isabela on her ship, or as a leader in Sebastian's army.
Varric and Aveline - I'm really not sure. I can't see Aveline leaving Kirkwall, she's the guard-captain, and it's her duty to protect the city. I think if circumstance forced her to leave, she'd be angry about it. If it was something on a scale with a Blight, I can see her going willingly, but in a resigned way. I doubt she'd get involved in a mage/templar war beyond maintaining order in Kirkwall. Naturally, Donnic will be with her. Varric's pretty adaptable, I can see him ending up anywhere but Orzammar.
Leliana, Wynne and Shale - we already know from DA2 and Asunder.
Morrigan - I expect she's more Flemeth-y than she used to be. Although her bond with the Warden *may* have softened her a little while she was with them, she's spent almost ten years who-knows-where through an Eluvian with only her God Baby for company. And her only model of motherhood is her abusive mother. I expect to see a darker Morrigan if the ritual was taken. If not, I'm not sure. Probably a more socially adept Morrigan (if no less ruthless), because I think she gets into politics, right?
Alistair - whether a king or a Warden, I imagine he becomes more pragmatic over the years, and although I think he keeps his humour, I think it would be more like Varric's humour (and less 'precocious manchild' humour). I think the humour would be less pronounced than the bitterness if he's king and Loghain lives. As a drunk, I imagine that he's cleaned himself up, but is still a bit 'reformed Oghren' - seemingly a bit of a joke, bitter and prone to depression.
Zevran - I don't think his personality will have changed much, but I can see him having a clearer goal in life. Perhaps he would also be more likely to take responsibility for things too (for instance, in DA2, he asks the Dalish to reveal his location to his pursuers, so the clan won't be hurt). If things are leading up to an elven uprising, I can see him taking an active part, but probably not before he's taken some sort of revenge against the Crow masters. Or taken them over. Or shut them down. I can see that going various ways.
Sten - I think he returns to the Qun with a more open mind than when he left. Although he'd still whole-heartedly believe in it, he'd be more likely to make allowances for people and have a less invasion-happy view of Thedas than the rest of the Qunari. Though I don't think he'd ever turn Tal-Vashoth, I can imagine he would be less conventional than other Qunari.
Loghain, Nathaniel, Oghren and Sigrun - I see the same future for these, so I'll group them together. I think they'll remain in the Wardens, devoted to the cause. Nathaniel will have his link to his nephew and sister to keep him grounded and human. Seeing as Loghain will be reaching the end of his life, he'll be making peace with his past, and if Anora is queen, he will be more actively interested in politics. I think his view on Orlais could go either way, depending on what it's really like there, and what they're plans are. I think Oghren will be more serious and show more of the responsibility and maturity we saw at the end of DAO. He will also be active in his child's life, and perhaps have more self esteem as a result of being a Warden. Sigrun will also remain in the Wardens. I don't think she's taken her Calling yet, though I think she might have some self-doubt over the fact she's putting it off (therefore not fulfilling her obligation to the Legion).
Velanna - I think she may have remained with the Wardens, and though I think her social skills would have improved and she would be more tolerant of humans, I think she would be more desperate and bitter about Seranni (especially if the Architect is dead). Staying with the Wardens would probably be more about taking revenge on the darkspawn by that point. However, I think if an elven rebellion is imminent, I think she would jump at the chance to participate - possibly from the side of the city elves, considering how long she'll have lived away from the Dalish by this point.
Janders - If Anders was spared at the end of DA2, I think he runs off and stews for a bit, before trying to take an active part in the rebellion. There's seriously nothing else he can do. It's his whole reason for being. I think the knowledge that it's actually happening might help stabilise him mentally, though I could see him getting frantic whenever it looks like the templars might win, the mages submit/compromise, etc. If Anders is dead, I could see a slither of Vengeance wearing his body as a flesh suit and killing in random madness, like a rage demon.
Isabela - one way or another, Isabela will have her ship. I can see her attempting to continue her old life, but soon realising that being a pirate doesn't work if you have scruples. She'd probably end up taking more modern-day pirate cliche work. Going on adventures and never doing anything more villainous than robbing a rich noble. I expect her personality to be quite similar to what we see in Act 3.
Merrill - She's with Isabela on her ship, and I won't accept any other story! Although, I suppose I could see her trying to help city elves. She can't go back to the Dalish, but I think she'd get involved in an elven rebellion, just like Velanna. There's also a chance she would get involved in the mage rebellion. I think that through a rivalry path, she would have a lot more self-doubt than before though, not wanting to take on much individual responsibility and instead just pitching in with everyone else. She also might be less tolerant of risky, dangerous behaviour. However, through a friendship path, I think she would be more willing to push the boundaries and commit more fully to the freedom-fighter thing.
Carver/Bethany - If Bethany was part of the Circle, she's either with Hawke, or part of the mage rebellion, or both. Although she's more amenable to the Circle's teachings (and more likely to compromise), she will fight for mage freedom. I could see Circle!Bethany holding similar beliefs to Asunder!Wynne though, being spiritual and idealistic. If a Warden, I think she would grudgingly remain with them if they really do have some important issue going on at the moment (instead of running off with her sibling or joining the rebellion). I suppose might even run off and do it herself, but she will be more ruthless and unlikely to compromise than Circle!Beth. Carver as a templar might stick with the Divine (if she's a little more balanced as she seems to be in Asunder). I definitely don't see him running off to help kill the mages, but I don't think he'd help them either. He'd likely be conflicted about the whole scenario. As a Grey Warden, I can't really see him helping the rebellion either, but there's more chance of it. Instead, I see him throwing himself into the Warden duty, like Nathaniel, Loghain, etc, and becoming a very mature, confident man.
Sebastian - if Anders lives, I think he'll do everything he can to take back Starkhaven, and use the newfound power to hunt Anders. I think he'd be very bitter, and decisive to the point of recklessness. He'd also be a lot less pleasant, quicker to anger and turn on people. I could see Fenris with him, leading part of his army as Sebastian once suggested, but I know that won't ever happen.
Fenris - I don't think Fenris has really come to terms with his past even by the end of DA2, so I think that aside from being more trusting, he would still be quite jaded and bitter. I could see him either helping to stop the mage rebellion, pursuing a more individual bit of revenge in Tevinter, or abandoning conventional society altogether to find a place within a group that will respect him and agree with his views on mages. Maybe something to replace the Fog Warriors. Of course, I'd prefer to see him either with Isabela on her ship, or as a leader in Sebastian's army.
Varric and Aveline - I'm really not sure. I can't see Aveline leaving Kirkwall, she's the guard-captain, and it's her duty to protect the city. I think if circumstance forced her to leave, she'd be angry about it. If it was something on a scale with a Blight, I can see her going willingly, but in a resigned way. I doubt she'd get involved in a mage/templar war beyond maintaining order in Kirkwall. Naturally, Donnic will be with her. Varric's pretty adaptable, I can see him ending up anywhere but Orzammar.
Leliana, Wynne and Shale - we already know from DA2 and Asunder.
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Posté 17 mai 2013 - 07:51
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Fast Jimmy wrote...
I feel like everyone will look the exact same (despite being aged 10 years), will be in the same situation, regardless of any previous decision or choice and will wind up being a rather flat cliche of their former selves... like Zevran ready to hop into a threesome and Allistair saying "swooping is bad" for no reason whatsoever.
Part of me would be happy if we didn't see any of our previous companions at all in DA3. A very big part of me, in fact.
What Jimmy said.
I died a little bit inside when I heard Alistair and Teagan bumbling like idiots. I remember thinking " Crap if this is how Alistair turns out as a king he's never getting on the throne again! Anora is ruling in all but one of my playthroughs now
Oh, and Teagan, wasn't he quite well articulated and sort of bad ass back in the days? Not even mentioning Zevran...Damn, if this is how the cameos are to turn up in DA3 I pray to the Maker we won't see any! The concept of "passing time" in DA 2 didn't work at all. At least for me. Those 10 years felt like few months tops.
Nothing really changed in those passing years. So if this trend continuous I don't think there will be any serious companion development, if any at all.
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Posté 17 mai 2013 - 12:36
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Well, it didn't help that physically speaking Kirkwall didn't evolve over ten years.
Which is why I think it'd be good to show some character progression to seal the fact home that over a decade has passed since the events of Ostagar and the Fifth Blight.
Which is why I think it'd be good to show some character progression to seal the fact home that over a decade has passed since the events of Ostagar and the Fifth Blight.
