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[Sylrien]

Since this was supposedly a relatively safe position,

Did Cailan mean to specifically send Alistair to Ishal to save him/remove him from threat of harm?

I mean, Cailan knows that Alistair is his half-brother, he's probably fully aware that he has no heirs at that point....Was it a move meant to say "Hey, you know, if I die, It'd be nice to have the other heir of Maric Theirin still alive and kicking."

If so, sneaky, sneaky Cailan. You nearly had me fooled with your youthful exuberance. I think you might have pulled one over on Loghain too. Sorry about that whole dying thing.

But that's a whole other issue- Why no children in five years? If Cailan and Anora truly cared about eachother, and given Anora's politically driven mind, you think they would have had at least one baby by now. Was that why the King's guard was mentioning "The King and the Teyrn fighting about something regarding the Queen?"
It would have cemented Anora's rule as queen and Loghain would have had a fairly legitmate claim to the thone.

Just curious, that's all.

Modifié par Sylrien, 26 janvier 2010 - 05:05 .

[beelzeybob]

Cailan was trying to woo [SPOILER] the empress of Orlais. That's why he was distant with Anora.



source: Return to Ostagar xbox

[SarEnyaDor]

Well, in RtO there are some interesting documents that shed some light on those questions.....

[Sylrien]

Wait? There are? My internet on the gaming computer is down! I need to see them! Please! Pretty please!

[SarEnyaDor]

Want me to PM you some in depth spoiler info?

[Caozen]

Loghain explained that the lighting of the tower was crucial to their plan. You as a new Grey Warden, of which Cailan glorifies, standing right in front of them, with no obligations other than awaiting orders, are a natural choice. I think it was just a matter of circumstance. Of course Alistair would have to go with you as well. They explain this in the conversation you have if you ask the King why you can't go by yourself, I think.

[beelzeybob]

LostScout wrote...

SarEnyaDor wrote...

Well, in RtO there are some interesting documents that shed some light on those questions.....

You are truly evil  Now I'm going to sit here wondering, hmm   -  what's in those documents?  Should I buy DLC just to find out?  Is it even out for pc?  Are you sure you don't work for the marketing department?

I assume those documents she's talking about are Cailan's affair with Orlais. Not for PC yet. Some lucky people on xbox got it before it was removed due to bugs.

[dooie vogel]

LostScout wrote...

SarEnyaDor wrote...

Well, in RtO there are some interesting documents that shed some light on those questions.....

You are truly evil  Now I'm going to sit here wondering, hmm   -  what's in those documents?  Should I buy DLC just to find out?  Is it even out for pc?  Are you sure you don't work for the marketing department?

did they already tell you about the big sword of duncan you obtain? they are really nice (is in possesion of the mentiont swords)

[Sialater]

Cailan was being rather crafty. Not only was he getting his unacknowledged heir out of harm's way -- he was also denying HIS BROTHER THE GREY WARDEN any chance at further glory. I think Cailan was a bit jealous.



Though I really have to laugh at the line he tells the PC when she arrives at Ostagar, (to paraphrase) "Just like the stories, Duncan! The King of Ferelden riding into battle with the Grey Wardens!" I always want to say, "Yeah... you're not the king in this story, pal."

[SarEnyaDor]

LostScout wrote...

You are truly evil  Now I'm going to sit here wondering, hmm   -  what's in those documents?  Should I buy DLC just to find out?  Is it even out for pc?  Are you sure you don't work for the marketing department?

LOL, no, I wish I had a sweet job like working in marketing for this game.

It's not out for the PC, or anything else anymore, either. It got accidentally released the other day on the 360 when the title update was supposed to go out, and then later got pulled back as it had a glitch that made the specializations lock on some people. As of yet I haven't had the glitch, but I haven't been able to connect to the servers since, I keep getting the account may be corrupt error, but I'm going to remove the update later today and see if that helps.

It is a very short DLC, but has excellent excellent loot, some very touching story scenes, and some codex entries that answer as many questions as it raises.

Modifié par SarEnyaDor, 16 janvier 2010 - 07:33 .

[_- Songlian -]

Caozen wrote...

Loghain explained that the lighting of the tower was crucial to their plan. You as a new Grey Warden, of which Cailan glorifies, standing right in front of them, with no obligations other than awaiting orders, are a natural choice.

Yes, I agree to this, but why the PC specifically? You just got recruited. Cailan couldn't have known if you truly were of any worth.  Sure, Grey Wardens are the stuff of legends, but I imagine not every single one of them becomes a hero automatically. 

While I can understand the implied reason behind sending Alistair - haven't played RTO yet, I'm on PC - I'm still rather puzzled about why the main character was selected as well. It is clear that the choice has been made before the Joining, because by the time you wake up, Duncan already requests your presence at the meeting with the King. Was it a "whoever survives" kind of deal? 

[Sylrien]

Please, please PM me those documents!

But yes, it amuses me that Cailan was rather crafty to begin with rather than being this really idealistic naive 'fool' everyone aronud him thought he was.

Edited to add: Maybe you were there as Alistair's bodyguard, if we're going with the Saving Alistair! Theory. I mean, first, it is a sort of menial task so you really can't excuse sending one one of the veteran Grey Wardens, and if Cailan knew, Loghain would know, and sending one of hte more seasoned warriors might tip him off. Or maybe you wre the one with the least experience in the whole matter, so they needed the real fighters out on the field.

Modifié par Sylrien, 16 janvier 2010 - 07:37 .

[Sialater]

I think if Jory and Daveth had survived, all of you would have gone to the Tower of Ishal.

[Sandtigress]

Is there any mention that Cailan was aware that Alistair was his brother though? Maric never acknowledged him, Loghain knew because he was Maric's best friend, Duncan was the only Warden who knew, and Arl Eamon kept him out of politics. I was never aware of any evidence that Cailan knew about his half-brother



I was more under the impression that Cailan saw it was an important job that needed to be done (not knowing Loghain didn't want it done - hence why his men or Uldred was supposed to be in charge) and so set two Grey Wardens in charge of the matter since he held the order in such high esteem. Duncan couldn't do it - he was Duncan and needed to be at the battle, so the new Warden who made an impression on him at their first meeting was a natural choice. I forget if Cailan specifically requested Alistair be there, or if that was Duncan's choice, since Duncan knew Alistair's heritage and kept him from the fighting because of it.

[jennamarae]

Sandtigress wrote...

Is there any mention that Cailan was aware that Alistair was his brother though? Maric never acknowledged him, Loghain knew because he was Maric's best friend, Duncan was the only Warden who knew, and Arl Eamon kept him out of politics. I was never aware of any evidence that Cailan knew about his half-brother.

Anora and Cailan both knew about Alistair. One of the conversation options when you're talking to her leads to her telling you that Cailan knew about him.

Edit: And Cailan tells you it's better if you both go if you tell him you can do it yourself. He purposefully made sure that Alistair was at the tower and not in the main battle.

Modifié par jennamarae, 16 janvier 2010 - 07:44 .

[Sylrien]

It's made aware as we learn more about Alistair being Maric's bastard that Cailan was indeed aware of him being his half-brother. Ailstair however, did not know he knew.

[Eruanna Guerrein]

Caozen wrote...

Loghain explained that the lighting of the tower was crucial to their plan. You as a new Grey Warden, of which Cailan glorifies, standing right in front of them, with no obligations other than awaiting orders, are a natural choice. I think it was just a matter of circumstance. Of course Alistair would have to go with you as well. They explain this in the conversation you have if you ask the King why you can't go by yourself, I think.

There's more to it than that. Cailin also says he wants to send the best. I think the new recruit might be a matter of circumstance but it seemed to me that he definitely wanted Alistair to go. I have yet to decide whether it was as the OP suggested or that he wanted to be sure Alistair didn't get his, Cailin's, glory. He doesn't seem like a spiteful person but he also couldn't even bring himself to acknowledge Alistair's existence when they met as children/young teens.

That said, now I need to go read through the RtO codexes!

[beelzeybob]

I have a feeling it has less to do with the story than making sure Alistair is there as your "tutorial guide" partner at the tower.

It sure would have been much duller to playthrough that tower if you only had Circle mage, Tower guard and (some other npc)

But later in lothering if you talk to Alistair he will strictly tell you that it was Duncan who sent him to the tower (to keep him safe) no mention of Cailan.

[jennamarae]

Eruanna Guerrein wrote...

He doesn't seem like a spiteful person but he also couldn't even bring himself to acknowledge Alistair's existence when they met as children/young teens.

Maybe he didn't know about Alistair when they met. It's possible that Maric or whoever didn't tell him until years afterward. He just didn't strike me as someone who would be a glory hog.

[jennamarae]

13eelzebub wrote...

But later in lothering if you talk to Alistair he will strictly tell you that it was Duncan who sent him to the tower (to keep him safe) no mention of Cailan.

Alistair wasn't at the strategy meeting so he didn't hear Cailan tell you that both you and Alistair should go. It wasn't Duncan's doing, Alistair just thinks it is. Really it's irked me since my first play-through that you can't tell him it was Cailan and not Duncan.

[SarEnyaDor]

13eelzebub wrote...

I have a feeling it has less to do with the story than making sure Alistair is there as your "tutorial guide" partner at the tower.

It sure would have been much duller to playthrough that tower if you only had Circle mage, Tower guard and (some other npc)

But later in lothering if you talk to Alistair he will strictly tell you that it was Duncan who sent him to the tower (to keep him safe) no mention of Cailan.

But that's only because Alistair is in Marsha!Marsha!Marsha! Duncan!Duncan!Duncan! mode. When you moan at Duncan and say you agree with Alistair that you should be fighting Duncan says that the KING specifically requests this and then Alistair is well I'm drawing a line if he wants me to dance the remigold... it's just his guilt/selective memory that has him thinking Duncan wanted him in the tower instead of at the battle.

Modifié par SarEnyaDor, 16 janvier 2010 - 07:58 .

[Sandtigress]

Ah, thanks for reminding me. I've only done the conversation with Anora once, that's why I didn't remember it. Well, I wouldn't put it past him - it seems that the whole family (Maric, Cailan, Alistair) seem to be pretty good at hiding behind a clueless exterior while being fairly politically savvy underneath, whether they realize it or not.

[jennamarae]

The clueless exterior is a defense mechanism I think. Maric and Alistair seem to be severely lacking faith in their own abilities.