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[SarEnyaDor]

I talked Alistair up to Lelianna in a stage whisper, I think he feels better about himself now.

[Carodej]

Sialater wrote...

Cailan was being rather crafty. Not only was he getting his unacknowledged heir out of harm's way -- he was also denying HIS BROTHER THE GREY WARDEN any chance at further glory. I think Cailan was a bit jealous.

Though I really have to laugh at the line he tells the PC when she arrives at Ostagar, (to paraphrase) "Just like the stories, Duncan! The King of Ferelden riding into battle with the Grey Wardens!" I always want to say, "Yeah... you're not the king in this story, pal."

But don't you just wonder what it is he is supposed to be riding?

[SarEnyaDor]

A wave of mutilation?

[beelzeybob]

Carodej wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Cailan was being rather crafty. Not only was he getting his unacknowledged heir out of harm's way -- he was also denying HIS BROTHER THE GREY WARDEN any chance at further glory. I think Cailan was a bit jealous.

Though I really have to laugh at the line he tells the PC when she arrives at Ostagar, (to paraphrase) "Just like the stories, Duncan! The King of Ferelden riding into battle with the Grey Wardens!" I always want to say, "Yeah... you're not the king in this story, pal."

But don't you just wonder what it is he is supposed to be riding?

The Emperess of that country they are awaiting aid from.

Modifié par 13eelzebub, 16 janvier 2010 - 08:37 .

[Carodej]

13eelzebub wrote...

Carodej wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Cailan was being rather crafty. Not only was he getting his unacknowledged heir out of harm's way -- he was also denying HIS BROTHER THE GREY WARDEN any chance at further glory. I think Cailan was a bit jealous.

Though I really have to laugh at the line he tells the PC when she arrives at Ostagar, (to paraphrase) "Just like the stories, Duncan! The King of Ferelden riding into battle with the Grey Wardens!" I always want to say, "Yeah... you're not the king in this story, pal."

But don't you just wonder what it is he is supposed to be riding?

The Emperess of that country they are awaiting aid from.

ROFL

[Carodej]

jennamarae wrote...

Eruanna Guerrein wrote...

He doesn't seem like a spiteful person but he also couldn't even bring himself to acknowledge Alistair's existence when they met as children/young teens.

Maybe he didn't know about Alistair when they met. It's possible that Maric or whoever didn't tell him until years afterward. He just didn't strike me as someone who would be a glory hog.

I think you're wrong about Cailan, he struck me as a big glory hound.  He didn't want to let his uncle Eamon to bring more troops because he thought Eamon only wanted in on the glory.  And watch the expression on his face as he talks about glory and battle.  It was a huge, and unfortunately very immature, part of his personality.  The whole idea of fighting with the Grey Wardens was to add to his glory.  Etc.

[Carodej]

Sylrien wrote...

[snip]

But that's a whole other issue- Why no children in five years? If Cailan and Anora truly cared about eachother, and given Anora's politically driven mind, you think they would have had at least one baby by now. Was that why the King's guard was mentioning "The King and the Teyrn fighting about something regarding the Queen?"
It would have cemented Anora's rule as queen and Loghain would have had a fairly legitmate claim to the thone.

Just curious, that's all.

I haven't played RtO, but I've read some of the spoiler posts.  Despite whatever strained relationship Cailan had with Anora, there does appear to be concern over her being barren.  It doesn't appear that there is any information in the game to support this as true, as it may be just the typical male assumption that it's the woman's fault.  OTOH, it might be that Cailan does have one or more by-blows out there, and possibly therefore he had good reason to believe Anora was infertile.  I hope we find out (and sooner, rather than later).

[jennamarae]

Carodej wrote...

I think you're wrong about Cailan, he struck me as a big glory hound.  He didn't want to let his uncle Eamon to bring more troops because he thought Eamon only wanted in on the glory.  And watch the expression on his face as he talks about glory and battle.  It was a huge, and unfortunately very immature, part of his personality.  The whole idea of fighting with the Grey Wardens was to add to his glory.  Etc.

It's possible.. He just struck me as having more of a childlike admiration for the Grey Wardens and the old tales than anything. It seemed to me that he wanted to take part in that glory more than hog it all for himself. I remember the line you're talking about and I'm not sure what to make of it really because he also says something about waiting for Orlais to send reinforcements. If he was wanting all the glory for himself, why mention waiting for Orlais?

[Thor Rand Al]

Good to see that other's are speculating about why Maric sent Alistair with the pc cause I've been doin the same thing... On a scale I think that 80% was probably cause Cailan wanted the so called glory as it's mentioned a lot in the beginning of the game, Loghain, Cailan himself even Alistair n I think Duncan says it too but that other 20% might of been Cailan thinking just in case something did happen to him then Alistair was his half brother so the Therin line still lived on...
As far as being faithful to Anora well for some odd reason that doesn't surprise me... Anora seems the controlling type, n yes if she was barren then Cailin would be looking for someone to give an heir unless it was Cailan who had those difficulties lol... Not too be mean but their dad Meric wasn't exactly faithful obviously n there are speculations on how many kids Meric did father... So it wouldn't surprise me if Cailan wasn't faithful, (why is it that people in these games think just because they have power they can do whatever they want lol)
All I have to say is if in any future games for DA that if Alistair n I didn't sacrifice ourselves n we did get married (human noble) if he cheats on me I'll hopefully beable to have the option to castrate the um ******* lmao

Modifié par Thor Rand Al, 16 janvier 2010 - 09:39 .

[Carodej]

I think Cailan suggesting Orlais to Loghain was just Cailan pushing Loghain's button. Loghain was totally obsessed about Orlais, there was no way Loghain would agree to help from there. And even if Loghain agreed, it would have been a victory for Cailan because it would put him closer to bringing the two coutries together (something you will see he desires if you get RtO).

[beelzeybob]

All I have to say is if in any future games for DA that if Alistair n I
didn't sacrifice ourselves n we did get married (human noble) if he
cheats on me I'll hopefully beable to have the option to castrate the
um ******* lmao

I do wonder what's going to happen with the Empress of Orlais in the next expansion (with it being in Orlais and all)

So her diabolical plan to take over Ferelden via Cailan got cut short. If Alistair were king, that would make him her next prey... All the more reason to keep Anora on the throne eh?

Modifié par 13eelzebub, 16 janvier 2010 - 09:31 .

[Carodej]

Well, as David Gaider posted elsehwhere in this forum, Loghain was already plotting to go against Cailan (that's why he had Eamon poisoned), and that Loghain formed his Ostagar battle strategy with the possibility of giving him a way to make sure Cailan was killed while he himself got no blame. While Loghain's decision to do this was supposed to have been made at the last minute, I think Loghain's delusions meant the strategy was less than optimal. But I think Loghain had "sound" rationalizations for doing this, and I doubt that Cailan's suggestion there did little more than slightly influencing Loghain's decision.

[Thor Rand Al]

13eelzebub wrote...

So her diabolical plan to take over Ferelden via Cailan got cut short. If Alistair were king, that would make him her next prey... All the more reason to keep Anora on the throne eh?

Oh won't that make for an interesting game if that is the case especially for those that didn't do the archdemon sacrifice n had Alistair n female pc live n marry... ok forget wacking Alistair lets behead the Orlais Empress if she even looks at Alistair in that way  lmao

[jennamarae]

Carodej wrote...

I think Cailan suggesting Orlais to Loghain was just Cailan pushing Loghain's button. Loghain was totally obsessed about Orlais, there was no way Loghain would agree to help from there. And even if Loghain agreed, it would have been a victory for Cailan because it would put him closer to bringing the two coutries together (something you will see he desires if you get RtO).

Your last sentence is the exact reason why I don't believe it was just to push Loghain's buttons. He wanted the Empresses help, possibly in more ways than one. That's not someone wanting all the glory for themselves.

[Carodej]

jennamarae wrote...

Carodej wrote...

I think Cailan suggesting Orlais to Loghain was just Cailan pushing Loghain's button. Loghain was totally obsessed about Orlais, there was no way Loghain would agree to help from there. And even if Loghain agreed, it would have been a victory for Cailan because it would put him closer to bringing the two coutries together (something you will see he desires if you get RtO).

Your last sentence is the exact reason why I don't believe it was just to push Loghain's buttons. He wanted the Empresses help, possibly in more ways than one. That's not someone wanting all the glory for themselves.

I think Cailan got lucky (or maybe he was smarter than he appears) and got himself what he thought was a win/win thing to say.  I mean Cailan was disappointed that there was apparently no Archdemon around, and he talked like his main goal in life was to create a legend for himself.  Stemming the Blight alongside the Grey Wardens would have made his name in history.  OTOH, Cailan wasn't even sure this was a Blight.  But if he could get some good will towards Orlais, it would sure be easier for him to dump a "barren" Anora and marry the Orlesian queen.  And again, he gets to make his mark in history, just this time as the King that helps form some new larger kingdom/empire.  Different kinds of glory, but I think he was trying to do this because he had lived in his father's shadow.

[Maria13]

Cailan was astutely protecting his bloodline.



As for the childlessness isn't it the case that Anora's gay?

[SarEnyaDor]

Um.. maybe in fanfic. No codex entries or even gossip to back that up.

[Series5Ranger]

13eelzebub wrote...


I do wonder what's going to happen with the Empress of Orlais in the next expansion (with it being in Orlais and all)

So her diabolical plan to take over Ferelden via Cailan got cut short. If Alistair were king, that would make him her next prey... All the more reason to keep Anora on the throne eh?

Awakenings doesn't take place in Orlais. It takes place in Amaranthine. If you create a new Warden, he's from Orlais. I Think Orlais will be saved for Dragon Age 2.

[Selej]

You know...it could always be Cailan that is the one that is unable to have children, not Anora.

[Slayer299]

jennamarae wrote...

Carodej wrote...

I think you're wrong about Cailan, he struck me as a big glory hound.  He didn't want to let his uncle Eamon to bring more troops because he thought Eamon only wanted in on the glory.  And watch the expression on his face as he talks about glory and battle.  It was a huge, and unfortunately very immature, part of his personality.  The whole idea of fighting with the Grey Wardens was to add to his glory.  Etc.

It's possible.. He just struck me as having more of a childlike admiration for the Grey Wardens and the old tales than anything. It seemed to me that he wanted to take part in that glory more than hog it all for himself. I remember the line you're talking about and I'm not sure what to make of it really because he also says something about waiting for Orlais to send reinforcements. If he was wanting all the glory for himself, why mention waiting for Orlais?

I always felt that comment was meant as a dig at Loghain after Loghain suggestion that they wait for Arl Eamon. And since he knew Loghain despised the Orlesians and would never accept their assistance, even if he was in a ditch 20' deep and surrounded by man-eating lions who'd been on a fast for the last 30 days.

[Xetirox]

I think some of you are looking into this a little too deeply. Before the Battle of Ostagar even begins, the only Grey Wardens present at the main camp are Duncan, Alistair, and the recruits. The rest are all described as being "in the valley," where the majority of the troops are located. As leader, Duncan is expected to be in the battle, leaving you and Al as pretty much the only Wardens in convenient distance to the tower.

[Hyper Cutter]

Xetirox wrote...

I think some of you are looking into this a little too deeply. Before the Battle of Ostagar even begins, the only Grey Wardens present at the main camp are Duncan, Alistair, and the recruits. The rest are all described as being "in the valley," where the majority of the troops are located. As leader, Duncan is expected to be in the battle, leaving you and Al as pretty much the only Wardens in convenient distance to the tower.

On the other hand, Cailan and Duncan are awful adamant about sending the PC and Alistair on a very simple errand to a tower thought secure that already had men posted there for the same purpose instead of letting them ride with the rest of their order...

[AtreiyaN7]

Well, I think Cailan was just joking about Eamon wanting part of the glory. Cailan just seems to be rather idealistic and very much into the old stories about the Wardens and honor and all that. He has a romaticized view of things - not that he can't (apparently) be "crafty" based on what people are saying about RtO & this thing with the empress. Hopefully they get it out for the PC sometime soon & we'll get to see for ourselves. *fingers crossed*