193 réponses à ce sujet

[BioFan (Official)]

MY warden, and their many, MANY, MANNNNNNNYYYYY children

[brushyourteeth]

Fergus Cousland.

[wright1978]

VittoriaLandis wrote...

Darth Death wrote...

supremebloodwolf wrote...

The Warden.

My warden.

Yep My Warden

[MisterJB]

Anora. The most amazing fereldan ever born.
She can marry Alistair to make sure no idiotic noble like Eamon questions her claim. He'll just take a stroll to Tevinter to rescue daddy; who will hopefully die and not be a threat to Anora; anyway

Modifié par MisterJB, 15 mai 2013 - 11:38 .

[Xilizhra]

Anora's too unpleasant to rule alone, so we probably need Alistair married to her. I do hope he gets back from Tevinter alive.

[Fast Jimmy]

Xilizhra wrote...

Anora's too unpleasant to rule alone, so we probably need Alistair married to her. I do hope he gets back from Tevinter alive.

King Canon will kill him in Tevinter and take his throne! Mwuhahahahaaaa!

[Starfang]

If the epilogue slides are anything to go by, hardened Alistair + Anora is the best combination, or perhaps f!Cousland + Alistair. My PTs vary... I think the only situation not represented in at least one of my saves is m!Cousland + Anora (I only played one male Warden and he had no interest in becoming king when he could run off with a witch of the wilds).

Really though, I doubt it will matter a great deal. It'll be awesome if it does, but I'm really not that fussed about it tbh. I get the feeling the new protagonist has bigger problems than whoever happens to be sitting on the Ferelden throne so it's all decorative in the end.

[Catroi]

hardened alister without anora

But as if our choices mattered xD

[Barquiel]

“Anora weds no one and rules alone” is my canon playthrough. She's definitely ambitious (and gives dreadful speeches), but she already has proven herself...and she knows what she is doing.

[Plaintiff]

Barquiel wrote...

“Anora weds no one and rules alone” is my canon playthrough. She's definitely ambitious (and gives dreadful speeches), but she already has proven herself...and she knows what she is doing.

Yeah, standing back and letting her racist father steer Ferelden headlong into a civil war was a brilliant piece of political maneuvering.

[mousestalker]

The mabari.

[Fiery Knight]

Plaintiff wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

“Anora weds no one and rules alone” is my canon playthrough. She's definitely ambitious (and gives dreadful speeches), but she already has proven herself...and she knows what she is doing.

Yeah, standing back and letting her racist father steer Ferelden headlong into a civil war was a brilliant piece of political maneuvering.

Indeed, it wasn't like she was locked up or anything.

oh wait, she was.

[Plaintiff]

Hawke_12 wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

“Anora weds no one and rules alone” is my canon playthrough. She's definitely ambitious (and gives dreadful speeches), but she already has proven herself...and she knows what she is doing.

Yeah, standing back and letting her racist father steer Ferelden headlong into a civil war was a brilliant piece of political maneuvering.

Indeed, it wasn't like she was locked up or anything.

oh wait, she was.

I knew this was coming.

No, she wasn't locked up. In fact she spent all but the last quarter of the game completely free. She was only imprisoned after the Warden arrived in Denerim for the Landsmeet, and that was her own damn fault anyway for walking onto Howe's property when she suspected him of being treasonous scum. It's not as if there weren't other options available to her, like, say, spies.

Anora is not some politically savvy wunderkind. Her investigation tactics are better befitting an episode of Scooby-Doo than Game of Thrones. Being locked up by Howe doesn't excuse her incompetence, it compounds it.

I'd say she's as competent a ruler as Princess Peach, but that would be an insult to Peach, who at least has the good sense to not blunder willingly into Bowsers castle and chain herself over a pit of lava.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 15 mai 2013 - 01:00 .

[Fiery Knight]

And even then, the power was on Loghain's side, not Anora's.

And you are underestimating Anora's capability as a ruler. She ruled Ferelden for 5 years alone, in which Ferelden prospered. And her investigation abilities means jacksh*t. She is a ruler, not an investigator. She is more than a competent ruler, and much better that Alistair.

[Zathandra]

Plaintiff wrote...

Hawke_12 wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

“Anora weds no one and rules alone” is my canon playthrough. She's definitely ambitious (and gives dreadful speeches), but she already has proven herself...and she knows what she is doing.

Yeah, standing back and letting her racist father steer Ferelden headlong into a civil war was a brilliant piece of political maneuvering.

Indeed, it wasn't like she was locked up or anything.

oh wait, she was.

I knew this was coming.

No, she wasn't locked up. In fact she spent all but the last quarter of the game completely free. She was only imprisoned after the Warden arrived in Denerim for the Landsmeet, and that was her own damn fault anyway for walking onto Howe's property when she suspected him of being treasonous scum. It's not as if there weren't other options available to her, like, say, spies.

Anora is not some politically savvy wunderkind. Her investigation tactics are better befitting an episode of Scooby-Doo than Game of Thrones. Being locked up by Howe doesn't excuse her incompetence, it compounds it.

I'd say she's as competent a ruler as Princess Peach, but that would be an insult to Peach, who at least has the good sense to not blunder willingly into Bowsers castle and chain herself over a pit of lava.

I would normally agree with this but I believe she is a lot more manipulative than that. She probably knew the exact caliber of a man like Howe, a smart political savy queen would have spies. Anora more than likely put herself in the postion of being capture just to send her servent (whom if you think of it somehow escaped capture when Anora did not?) to The Warden to establish a relationship. If Anora would have just approached The Warden in the game it would be hard to trust her motives more than it is even when The Warden has to rescue her.

I trust her wits, even if I don't like her, she is smart and I respect that. So I usually have to rule along side a hardened Alistair (no way am I going to let her walk all over him).

Plus I have a secret hope of Cullen and my Warden Mage of being together so day.

[Zathandra]

of being together some day*

[Rawgrim]

Stannis.

[Lord of War]

Plaintiff wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

“Anora weds no one and rules alone” is my canon playthrough. She's definitely ambitious (and gives dreadful speeches), but she already has proven herself...and she knows what she is doing.

Yeah, standing back and letting her racist father steer Ferelden headlong into a civil war was a brilliant piece of political maneuvering.

Orlesians aren't a seperate race, and Teagan started the Civil War.

[Plaintiff]

Hawke_12 wrote...
And even then, the power was on Loghain's side, not Anora's.

That Anora sat back and let her clearly incompetent father boss her around only further testifies to her utter failure as a Queen.

And you are underestimating Anora's capability as a ruler.

I can't conceive of any universe in which it would be possible to underestimate Anora. She doesn't even meet my criteria for a competent human being, let alone a competent politician.

She ruled Ferelden for 5 years alone,

Or so she claims, but there is no evidence for this.

in which Ferelden prospered.

Did Ferelden prosper because she was Queen, or did it prosper regardless? What did Anora actually do during that time? What acheivements can she lay claim to? I want you to itemize the things that she actually did during those years. Chronologically, if possible. Treaties negotiated, laws revised, economic and social reforms. That sort of thing.

And her investigation abilities means jacksh*t. She is a ruler, not an investigator.

Actually, they're extremely relevant. If Anora isn't capable of making good choices regarding her own personal safety, then how can I trust her to safeguard an entire country?

Of course she needs to be a good investigator. As you and other Anora fans keep telling me, politics is a quagmire of deception. Not to mention, that as a public political figure, she faces the constant threat of assassination

She is more than a competent ruler, and much better that Alistair.

Yeah, Anora is so competent that the minute she lost her charsimatic figurehead, the entire country fell into disarray, and she ran to hide behind her daddy.

Anora doesn't have the commonsense that God gave dirt. She had her chance, she blew it, and she's too arrogant to even realise how badly she ****ed up.

Alistair may not be a natural-born leader, but he's compassionate, charismatic, humble, and capable of recognising a stupid choice when it smacks him in the face with a neon sign. None of these things can be said of Anora.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 15 mai 2013 - 02:17 .

[Plaintiff]

Cyrahzax wrote...
Orlesians aren't a seperate race, and Teagan started the Civil War.

Irish and British aren't separate races, but discrimination against the Irish is still racism.

Yeah, I'm sure Loghain's ridiculous lack of tact had nothing to do with it. He only badmouthed a popular and recently-deceased king in front of a room of loyal supporters, declared himself Regent without any discussion with the other Teryns, and then threatened violence on anyone who didn't capitulate to his ridiculous demands.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 15 mai 2013 - 02:15 .

[Plaintiff]

Zathandra wrote...
I would normally agree with this but I believe she is a lot more manipulative than that. She probably knew the exact caliber of a man like Howe, a smart political savy queen would have spies. Anora more than likely put herself in the postion of being capture just to send her servent (whom if you think of it somehow escaped capture when Anora did not?) to The Warden to establish a relationship. If Anora would have just approached The Warden in the game it would be hard to trust her motives more than it is even when The Warden has to rescue her.

I trust her wits, even if I don't like her, she is smart and I respect that. So I usually have to rule along side a hardened Alistair (no way am I going to let her walk all over him).

Plus I have a secret hope of Cullen and my Warden Mage of being together so day.

I've seen this argument before also, and I have to say that if it's true, then Anora is even more of a moron than I thought.

Howe is a despicable, unscrupulous man. He slaughtered an entire noble family, he kidnapped and tortured other members of the nobility and he stole from the royal treasury.

Nothing at all is stopping Howe from murdering Anora outright, he's already betrayed Loghain and Ferelden in every other possible way. He could've killed Anora easily, and Loghain would be too busy looking for Orlesians under his bed to notice that she'd even left the castle.

[Zathandra]

Not saying it wasn't stupid.
She took a gamble (albet on her life)

Anora probably did what she thought was best, either sit around her fathers throne as he mummbled about Orlesian and wardens, and instead took an action that would would insure her meeting with the Warden. She could have heard about all of the warden's achievements and gambled on it.
Not saying it's smart, just that could be a reason.
Or she was trying to be a ninja  and just failed miserably.  

But that's why I don't let her rule alone or without a harden alister.... or in a dungeon.

[Dominari]

Rhonda Cousland

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

garrusfan1 wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Alistair = King
Anora = Rotting in the dungeons
Warden = Disappeared

actually anora would be dead since she likely went to fort drakon and that was overrun by the darkspawn so she is dead or was taken and is a brrodmother

If Al locks her in Fort Drakon and then dies slaying the Archdemon she comes back as Queen in the epilogue, so no she doesn't die from that.

As Alistair says himself; they need her as insurrance if he dies, so I just assume they lock her up in Redcliffe Castle.

I wonder why they would take her to red cliffe I think itis just a fall  back since they didn't want to put with alistar dead and anora dead the kingdom went into chaos. so lets say if she isn't in power she is dead

That is probably the case, but only because Alistair or Eamon had her executed when the Blight was over and Alistair wasn't in a whole lot of danger of not making a year as king. She clearly survives the end of the Blight, and I can't see Alistair dying having any effect on where they'd placed her.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 15 mai 2013 - 04:23 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Plaintiff wrote...

Zathandra wrote...
I would normally agree with this but I believe she is a lot more manipulative than that. She probably knew the exact caliber of a man like Howe, a smart political savy queen would have spies. Anora more than likely put herself in the postion of being capture just to send her servent (whom if you think of it somehow escaped capture when Anora did not?) to The Warden to establish a relationship. If Anora would have just approached The Warden in the game it would be hard to trust her motives more than it is even when The Warden has to rescue her.

I trust her wits, even if I don't like her, she is smart and I respect that. So I usually have to rule along side a hardened Alistair (no way am I going to let her walk all over him).

Plus I have a secret hope of Cullen and my Warden Mage of being together so day.

I've seen this argument before also, and I have to say that if it's true, then Anora is even more of a moron than I thought.

Howe is a despicable, unscrupulous man. He slaughtered an entire noble family, he kidnapped and tortured other members of the nobility and he stole from the royal treasury.

Nothing at all is stopping Howe from murdering Anora outright, he's already betrayed Loghain and Ferelden in every other possible way. He could've killed Anora easily, and Loghain would be too busy looking for Orlesians under his bed to notice that she'd even left the castle.

That's a little unfair to Loghain; the only reason Howe didn't kill Anora was because Loghain specifically forbade it. On the other hand, I think you have a point with regards to Anora's plot not being the best idea.

Plaintiff wrote...

Oohforf wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Alistair.

The last thing Ferelden needs is an arrogant, manipulative snake in the grass who thinks getting herself captured is a clever plan.

Well, it's called intrigue. See: Orlais.

Or is it because it's Ferelden and not any other country in Thedas?

Every country deserves honest, reliable leaders, which Anora is not. She's also not particularly intelligent.

"That's just how politics works" is a pathetic excuse, it's not something we should accept in fantasy or in real life.

Except that it is how politics works. Having a backstabber can be rather a problem, not having one can be a decidely fatal one.

As for her qualifications, Anora is respected by Celene, despite Celene's plans to steal Anora's man. The entire Landsmeet knows Anora, and that she's been in charge the last few years. Alistair is not a known quantity as a ruler; he might shape up, or he might not. Meanwhile, we've seen several years of Ferelden not getting sacked under Anora. Either is a gamble, Anora is less of one by several metrics.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 15 mai 2013 - 04:30 .