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[NorwegianPirate]

Alistair might be the better choice for the disenfranchised groups in Ferelden. Other than that, it's difficult to say. I'm not sure just how much weight this particular choice is going to have on the story besides changes in dialogue.

[Gregolian]

I think them together was always the best choice.

1.) Alistair while traveling with the Warden saw first hand groups that were oppressed/not part of every day life and will have their opinions and such in mind I would think.

2.) Alistair having left the Templars before taking his vows probably saw somewhat first hand some of the issues mages face (Cullen... looking at you) and then after the Circle Tower will understand what pressuring a group like that can cause.

3.) Anora however will be more set on the worldly/outside forces and while Alistair ALMOST micromanages these different groups she can run the coffers and worry about the foreign policy and ****.

4.) Since getting them BOTH on the throne required another quest by itself and was "harder" that means best in video games right?

[Korva]

Anora was a colossal screwup on Bioware's part, because they consistently violate the "show, don't tell" rule of Storytelling 101 where she concerned. We never, not once, see her as a shrewd, capable, respected and clearly-in-charge ruler. All we see is a passive, clueless little girl who lets daddy trample her into the ground, publicly and privately, then a damsel in distress who has no qualms betraying her rescuers to save her own hide (granted, choosing to reveal the truth to Logain's Fangirl #1 is not a smart move on the Warden's part to say the least), and finally just another power-grabbing politico. I can feel a certain sympathy for the crappy situation she's in, both pre- and post-Ostagar, but that aside I just can't find anything sympathetic or worth respecting (or trusting) in the character. Just being told she's supposed to be oh-so-competent isn't enough when what I see undermines that so completely.

Because of that, I can't pick her for the throne. Alistair isn't the best choice either, but at least I know he's a good lad at heart, and with the right guidance (NOT Eamon if I had any say in it!) I think it'd be easier for a good person to become a decent ruler who tries to look after ALL his people (elves and the poor included) than it would be for a power-grabbing politico to become a good person. So I picked him, unhardened because "be a jerkoff who does what he wants" is a CRAPPY way to teach someone more self-esteem, especially if that someone is to be in any position of authority.

Still, I didn't really like any of the options we're offered. By far the best solution is what I found in a well-written fanfic: Fergus Cousland. He's the legitimate and undisputed offspring of an old and very well-respected family, as such he'd be well-trained to rule, he's a good person at heart as well, his fertility is proven, and neither it nor his loyalties are compromised by being a Gray Warden.

Modifié par Korva, 15 mai 2013 - 06:12 .

[Heimdall]

My characters are always too happy go lucky to harden Alistair, so I always put him on the throne with Anora, who at least seems to have some idea what she's doing.  She'll also dampen Eamon's influence, not that I particularly dislike him honestly.

Modifié par Lord Aesir, 15 mai 2013 - 08:01 .

[esper]

I place them together, simply to at least attempt to minimize potential civil war.

[Tinu]

I would say Alistair and MY warden Queen, but she's apparently gone

esper wrote...

I place them together, simply to at least attempt to minimize potential civil war.

Alistair does not love Anora. How can you force him to be with her? 

Modifié par TinuHawke, 15 mai 2013 - 09:08 .

[Senya]

I think the best option is Hardened Alistair and Anora. They learn from each other and influence one another. Alistair brings the heart while Anora brings the mind. They also avert the possibility of Civil War.

I also had my Cousland marry Anora as he brings noble blood into the equation to satisfty conservative nobles and his hero status lends prestige to the monarchy. Anora is also said to never remarry out of fear of losing power to her husband, which means someone has to marry her and ensure heirs are born. Anora is able to handle political and economic policies while Prince Cousland leads the army. I also think Anora is a strong and compelling character and there is some warmth between the two in Awakening.

Under no circumstance would I marry a female Cousland to Alistair. Now, this might seem hypocritical, but the fact remains that while all Wardens have some trouble reproducing, two Wardens absolutely cannot have children together thanks to the Taint. Alistair and my Cousland can get Anora pregnant in theory, but Alistair and a female Warden cannot. This would lead to a succession crisis the moment they die within 30 years, give or take.

So, either the Warden or Alistair should rule with Anora to make sure their rule benefits Ferelden as much as possible and to get her pregnant with an heir to the throne.

Edit: Sorry, TinuHawke. I don't see a way around the heir problem Alistair and Queen Cousland would have.

Modifié par almostinsane99, 15 mai 2013 - 09:09 .

[esper]

TinuHawke wrote...

I would say Alistair and MY warden Queen, but she's apparently gone

esper wrote...

I place them together, simply to at least attempt to minimize potential civil war.

Alistair does not love Anora. How can you force him to be with her? 

Because my warden is not a nice person?

Anyway. He is a king, they don't marry for love. I would never force an unhardned, but an harden does seem to understand that and is half way willing to rule. If he is willing to rule, he should know that sometime love is not the reason you marry.

[ManOfSteel]

Hardened Alistair + Anora.

[MisanthropePrime]

Am I the only one who was a little miffed that, upon finding out that the Amell family were Kirkwall nobles, I couldn't at least attempt to put my human mage warden on the throne?

[esper]

MisanthropePrime wrote...

Am I the only one who was a little miffed that, upon finding out that the Amell family were Kirkwall nobles, I couldn't at least attempt to put my human mage warden on the throne?

Your Amell is a mage. That is auto disqualification.

Modifié par esper, 15 mai 2013 - 09:43 .

[Knight of Dane]

TinuHawke wrote...

I would say Alistair and MY warden Queen, but she's apparently gone

esper wrote...

I place them together, simply to at least attempt to minimize potential civil war.

Alistair does not love Anora. How can you force him to be with her? 

I'm fairly certain that every time I did that he agreed

[MisanthropePrime]

esper wrote...

MisanthropePrime wrote...

Am I the only one who was a little miffed that, upon finding out that the Amell family were Kirkwall nobles, I couldn't at least attempt to put my human mage warden on the throne?

Your Amell is a mage. That is auto disqualification.

I'm not sure how stringent that is, considering a mage Hawke can be made Viscount of Kirkwall.

[esper]

MisanthropePrime wrote...

esper wrote...

MisanthropePrime wrote...

Am I the only one who was a little miffed that, upon finding out that the Amell family were Kirkwall nobles, I couldn't at least attempt to put my human mage warden on the throne?

Your Amell is a mage. That is auto disqualification.

I'm not sure how stringent that is, considering a mage Hawke can be made Viscount of Kirkwall.

That is because mage-Hawke have the templars approval and is basically their puppet to run Kirkwall through. The vicount seat doesn't mean much in Kirkwall without the Templars.

[Wulfram]

Marrying Alistair and Anora seems like the most thorough way to end the civil war and focus on the darkspawn, so my Wardens usually aim for that. Though it didn't work out in my canon game, because I spared Loghain.

[Tinu]

Knight of Dane wrote...

I'm fairly certain that every time I did that he agreed

I just don't think it's very healthy in the long run.

[LPPrince]

Arya Stark

[Knight of Dane]

TinuHawke wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

I'm fairly certain that every time I did that he agreed

I just don't think it's very healthy in the long run.

I'm not sure Ferelden has any healthy options for that position 

[LobselVith8]

MisanthropePrime wrote...

esper wrote...

Your Amell is a mage. That is auto disqualification. 

I'm not sure how stringent that is, considering a mage Hawke can be made Viscount of Kirkwall. 

Queen Anora brings up the fact that the Landsmeet won't recognize a mage as King, if The Warden suggests being her husband. As for apostate Hawke being Viscount, the developers admitted that this wasn't properly addressed in Dragon Age II.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Knight of Dane wrote...

TinuHawke wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

I'm fairly certain that every time I did that he agreed

I just don't think it's very healthy in the long run.

I'm not sure Ferelden has any healthy options for that position 

Alistair alone: Not likely to end in an heir. Current king is untrained.
Anora alone: Doesn't even marry. Questions about how bright that scheme with Howe was.
Alistair + Anora: There are questions about her fertility, and known issues with his. Plus he's not real keen on having a father-in-law. Though at least they cancel out each other's issues.
Cousland + Anora: The exact same deal, plus or minus hatred for Loghain.
Cousland + Alistair: Royal heir? :D:D:D:D:D

Yes, I think I see your point. I wonder how many games it will be before we solve the second Ferelden succession crisis?

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 16 mai 2013 - 01:18 .

[Knight of Dane]

Which is why Fiona's son may be a third boy or Maric is still alive. Plenty of stuff to fall bakc on!

[Blackrising]

I'm guessing everyone has a different opinion on that subject.

Personally, I put Anora on the throne as the 'brain', so to speak, with my Warden beside her to keep her on the ground.

[Urazz]

To my knowledge Hardened Alistair and Anora makes for the best rulers and is my default choice for my wardens unless the warden is female and romancing Alistair.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Knight of Dane wrote...

Which is why Fiona's son may be a third boy or Maric is still alive. Plenty of stuff to fall bakc on!

Maric is aged enough that he might not be capable of producing a royal heir, though not aged enough that it's a sure thing. Fiona's son is half-elven and a mage's child. Now, that doesn't matter if it's Alistair, as long as he can't be linked to her. If someone comes right out and says that he's Fiona's kid with Maric? Nothing doing.

[EvilAuthor]

I put Alistair on the throne for my first three games. I consider my City Elf my favorite warden and Anora kinda fumbles the whole elf alienage thing really badly, so I just denied her power to keep her as far away from my elves as possible.