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[David7204]

The fact that Miranda has a substantial amount of lines in ME 2 and that the player is "forced" to be at least neutral to her in response to much of it.

Modifié par David7204, 18 mai 2013 - 04:25 .

[AresKeith]

David7204 wrote...

The fact that Miranda has a substantial amount of lines in ME 2 and that the player is "forced" to be at least neutral to her in response to much of it.

Umm, I've never been "forced" around Miranda, you can either try to friendly with her or be a jerk

[David7204]

No? She debriefs Shepard after a handful of missions. She speaks fairly often on the Suicide Mission. She has lots of other short tidbits here and there. It's not as if Shepard can say "Shut up, I don't want to hear you speak." after any of those moments. None that I recall, anyway.

Modifié par David7204, 18 mai 2013 - 04:31 .

[dreamgazer]

David7204 wrote...

The fact that Miranda has a substantial amount of lines in ME 2 and that the player is "forced" to be at least neutral to her in response to much of it.

I've never had a problem with that really, no, and I'm pretty indifferent about Miranda in general (I appreciate what her character represents well enough). 

[AresKeith]

David7204 wrote...

No? She debriefs Shepard after a handful of missions. She speaks fairly often on the Suicide Mission. She has lots of other short tidbits here and there. It's not as if Shepard can say "Shut up, I don't want to hear you speak." after any of those moments. None that I recall, anyway.

I never had that problem

[David7204]

You never had what problem?

[Ryzaki]

David7204 wrote...

No? She debriefs Shepard after a handful of missions. She speaks fairly often on the Suicide Mission. She has lots of other short tidbits here and there.

What debrief? Her debriefs consist of "Yeah we'll get him settled in." or "Oh he'll be useful." strictly mission related dialogue. She's not all in your business like Liara is. Nor are you forced to give her pep talks. Only time you can be personal with Miranda is during her LM and when you go to her room to talk to her.

Also you can straight up call her a ****.

In ME3 Liara gets personal without you initating it. (Thankfully the nightmares are few inbetween so it's not *that* often but its enough to annoy me).

Modifié par Ryzaki, 18 mai 2013 - 04:41 .

[David7204]

So you wouldn't have a problem with Liara if her visiting Shepard after Tuchanka was avoidable? And the sequence in Citadel was altered a bit?

[AresKeith]

David7204 wrote...

You never had what problem?

Debriefs after a handful of missions, and what about her speaking fairly often on the Suicide mission?

[Ryzaki]

David7204 wrote...

So you wouldn't have a problem with Liara if her visiting Shepard after Tuchanka was avoidable? And the sequence in Citadel was altered a bit?

Yep.

No issues at all.

It's the whole "can't avoid CAN'T AVOID." that hits all my do not want buttons.

(Honestly I'd prefered if the visit after Tuchanka was altered by which squaddie you had the most affection with at the moment.) But I know BW would rather not spend a whole lotta resources so simply having it avoidable would suit me fine. The whole "you need to go to the citadel" could've just as easily been handled in an email anyway.

[Zazzerka]

Ryzaki wrote...

But I know BW would rather not spend a whole lotta resources

So logically, you should be directing your hatred at BioWare.

Not poor Liara, WHOM IS BEING FORCED HERSELF INTO TALKING TO YOUR SHEPARD BY HER OPPRESSIVE OVERLORDS.

[David7204]

Well, you should have said so. That's a reasonable request.

That being said, I frown on 'friendship levels.' They aren't very reliable. I'm friendly to every crewmember, so there's no way for the game to tell which one I actually like the most. 

Modifié par David7204, 18 mai 2013 - 04:52 .

[Ryzaki]

...I have been saying that.

I flat out said I wouldn't have an issue with the Citadel scene if that stupid distracted by the sexy scene was taken out for non-Liaramancer Sheps.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

David7204 wrote...
That being said, I frown on 'friendship levels.' They aren't very reliable. I'm friendly to every crewmember, so there's no way for the game to tell which one I actually like the most. 

Perhaps not. Especially in ME3 with how you're really not allowed to not be friendly towards anyone except Javik.

And he's the character I most agree with, even if his temperment is rather stiff and condescending.

[AresKeith]

David7204 wrote...

Well, you should have said so. That's a reasonable request.

That being said, I frown on 'friendship levels.' They aren't very reliable. I'm friendly to every crewmember, so there's no way for the game to tell which one I actually like the most. 

And not every are friendly to all of their crewmembers

[Barquiel]

Liara is really not the worst offender when it comes to "Shepards canon friends"

For example after Tuchanka...she knocks and is invited in by Shepard (to inform you the salarian councilor wants to talk). She then asks "Is this a bad time?" and you have two options for a response:

- Just remembering the lost
- Let's get to business

How is that "forced"? If you like Liara...choose the "Just remembering the lost" option and you can talk a bit about lost friends (Ashley or Kaidan). If you don't want to talk about your dreams..."Let's get to business"

[AresKeith]

Barquiel wrote...

Liara is really not the worst offender when it comes to "Shepards canon friends"

For example after Tuchanka...she knocks and is invited in by Shepard (to inform you the salarian councilor wants to talk). She then asks "Is this a bad time?" and you have two options for a response:

- Just remembering the lost
- Let's get to business

How is that "forced"? If you like Liara...choose the "Just remembering the lost" option and you can talk a bit about lost friends (Ashley or Kaidan). If you don't want to talk about your dreams..."Let's get to business"

Ugh, I hated that choice

Why did Shep only mention Kaidan when Mordin just died, and why not mention other squadmates who (possibly died in past games)

[Barquiel]

AresKeith wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Liara is really not the worst offender when it comes to "Shepards canon friends"

For example after Tuchanka...she knocks and is invited in by Shepard (to inform you the salarian councilor wants to talk). She then asks "Is this a bad time?" and you have two options for a response:

- Just remembering the lost
- Let's get to business

How is that "forced"? If you like Liara...choose the "Just remembering the lost" option and you can talk a bit about lost friends (Ashley or Kaidan). If you don't want to talk about your dreams..."Let's get to business"

Ugh, I hated that choice

Why did Shep only mention Kaidan when Mordin just died, and why not mention other squadmates who (possibly died in past games)

I agree. That's weird. Mordin just sacrificed himself (if you cured the genophage), and all Shepard can think of is Ashley/Kaidan (who died 2 years ago)...

Modifié par Barquiel, 18 mai 2013 - 05:07 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Barquiel wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Liara is really not the worst offender when it comes to "Shepards canon friends"

For example after Tuchanka...she knocks and is invited in by Shepard (to inform you the salarian councilor wants to talk). She then asks "Is this a bad time?" and you have two options for a response:

- Just remembering the lost
- Let's get to business

How is that "forced"? If you like Liara...choose the "Just remembering the lost" option and you can talk a bit about lost friends (Ashley or Kaidan). If you don't want to talk about your dreams..."Let's get to business"

Ugh, I hated that choice

Why did Shep only mention Kaidan when Mordin just died, and why not mention other squadmates who (possibly died in past games)

I agree. That's weird. Mordin just sacrificed himself (if you cured the genophage), and all Shepard can think of is Ashley/Kaidan (who died 2 years ago)...

Same after the Citadel. Everyone forgets Thane exists (if he was there), and all they do is go off about the VS and their fate.

[AresKeith]

Barquiel wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Liara is really not the worst offender when it comes to "Shepards canon friends"

For example after Tuchanka...she knocks and is invited in by Shepard (to inform you the salarian councilor wants to talk). She then asks "Is this a bad time?" and you have two options for a response:

- Just remembering the lost
- Let's get to business

How is that "forced"? If you like Liara...choose the "Just remembering the lost" option and you can talk a bit about lost friends (Ashley or Kaidan). If you don't want to talk about your dreams..."Let's get to business"

Ugh, I hated that choice

Why did Shep only mention Kaidan when Mordin just died, and why not mention other squadmates who (possibly died in past games)

I agree. That's weird. Mordin just sacrificed himself (if you cured the genophage), and all Shepard can think of is Ashley/Kaidan (who died 2 years ago)...

And they did the same thing to Thane/Kirrahe which pissed me off

Edit:

Modifié par AresKeith, 18 mai 2013 - 05:11 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Victory is mine Ares.

[Ryzaki]

Barquiel wrote...

Liara is really not the worst offender when it comes to "Shepards canon friends"

For example after Tuchanka...she knocks and is invited in by Shepard (to inform you the salarian councilor wants to talk). She then asks "Is this a bad time?" and you have two options for a response:

- Just remembering the lost
- Let's get to business

How is that "forced"? If you like Liara...choose the "Just remembering the lost" option and you can talk a bit about lost friends (Ashley or Kaidan). If you don't want to talk about your dreams..."Let's get to business"

Then who pray tell is a worst offender when it comes to Shep's canon friends? Everyone else can be killed save Vega and EDI (Javik never has to be recruited). EDI can be completely ignored save 1 mission and her "I've taken over the bot" scene. And Vega can defintely safely be ignored. You can even tell him to knock that loco/lola crap off.

And you say that Tuckhanka scene like it's the only forced interaction she has with Shep. There's Mars and Thessia. (let's not forget the lulz of her being Shep's flashback if you didn't romance the VS pre EC. That's not the least bit questionable at all). There's plenty of Liara being shoved in people's faces in the series. (And let's not even get into the intelligent as she was beautiful compared to the good soldier and good kid from Genesis and how the melding wasn't "at all unpleasant" )  Thankfully that crap is optional but it does point to preferential treatment.

Edit: Also yeah that whole "I wanna talk about Kaidan/Ashley though Mordin just died" is derpy. I'm thinking that scene was probably originally supposed to come after the coup or something because otherwise. Derp. Really though Mordin's not even an option =/

Modifié par Ryzaki, 18 mai 2013 - 05:33 .

[Hazegurl]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

David7204 wrote...
That being said, I frown on 'friendship levels.' They aren't very reliable. I'm friendly to every crewmember, so there's no way for the game to tell which one I actually like the most. 

Perhaps not. Especially in ME3 with how you're really not allowed to not be friendly towards anyone except Javik.

And he's the character I most agree with, even if his temperment is rather stiff and condescending.

I love Javik. I also agre with him the most so I'm cool with him and I can never not shake his hand at the end. Saw a vid once where someone didn't shake his hand and I winced.

[AresKeith]

Ryzaki wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Liara is really not the worst offender when it comes to "Shepards canon friends"

For example after Tuchanka...she knocks and is invited in by Shepard (to inform you the salarian councilor wants to talk). She then asks "Is this a bad time?" and you have two options for a response:

- Just remembering the lost
- Let's get to business

How is that "forced"? If you like Liara...choose the "Just remembering the lost" option and you can talk a bit about lost friends (Ashley or Kaidan). If you don't want to talk about your dreams..."Let's get to business"

Then who pray tell is a worst offender when it comes to Shep's canon friends? Everyone else can be killed over save Vega and EDI. EDI can be completely ignored save 1 mission and her "I've taken over the bot" scene.

And you say that Tuckhanka scene like it's the only forced interaction she has with Shep. There's Mars and Thessia.

by Thessia you mean the mission or after the mission?

[Ryzaki]

AresKeith wrote...
by Thessia you mean the mission or after the mission?

The part where she's forced.   You can ignore her afterwards.

"Maybe you wanna go talk to Liara?"

"NOPE." *heads for next N7 mission*

Modifié par Ryzaki, 18 mai 2013 - 05:28 .