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[AresKeith]

Ryzaki wrote...

AresKeith wrote...
by Thessia you mean the mission or after the mission?

The part where she's forced.   You can ignore her afterwards.

"Maybe you wanna go talk to Liara?"

"NOPE." *heads for next N7 mission*

Well the Thessia mission was more of a personal thing for Liara like Garrus on the "Palaven" mission (Bioware being jerks )

But I understand why other's didn't want to bring Liara

[Ryzaki]

AresKeith wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

AresKeith wrote...
by Thessia you mean the mission or after the mission?

The part where she's forced.   You can ignore her afterwards.

"Maybe you wanna go talk to Liara?"

"NOPE." *heads for next N7 mission*

Well the Thessia mission was more of a personal thing for Liara like Garrus on the "Palaven" mission (Bioware being jerks )

But I understand why other's didn't want to bring Liara

You know...I wouldn't even mind it so much if not for the "alliance couldn't spring for airsupport comment." and "Oh my god my people" ...

That mission really really just made her completely unsympathetic to me. BW achieved the exact opposite of what they were intending (for me anyway ) 

Really my renedouche would've gotten whiplash from how fast he would've turned around.

And then after discovering the beacon. Oh boy.

I have to bring Javik. Least he can say what my Shep refuses to.

Really I hate everything about Thessia. Liara was just the **** icing on a fail cake.

Stupid Kai Leng and that goddamn gunship. <_<

Modifié par Ryzaki, 18 mai 2013 - 05:41 .

[Hazegurl]

Wasn't the Thessia mission supposed to have Shep choose between the two teammate he brings with him? One dies and that was why he was really upset? If so, then I wonder why that was changed.

Modifié par Hazegurl, 18 mai 2013 - 05:45 .

[AresKeith]

Ryzaki wrote...

You know...I wouldn't even mind it so much if not for the "alliance couldn't spring for airsupport comment." and "Oh my god my people" ...

That mission really really just made her completely unsympathetic to me. BW achieved the exact opposite of what they were intending (for me anyway ) 

Really my renedouche would've gotten whiplash from how fast he would've turned around.

And then after discovering the beacon. Oh boy.

I have to bring Javik. Least he can say what my Shep refuses to.

Really I hate everything about Thessia. Liara was just the **** icing on a fail cake.

Stupid Kai Leng and that goddamn gunship. <_<

I agree with you about the lines, they were unneeded and felt like the person who wrote it didn't read the earlier game scripts

Thessia just felt like forced emotions, and IMO the mission would've been better if Bioware gave it side-missions like Rannoch and Tuchanka and made Kai Leng better

[AresKeith]

Hazegurl wrote...

Wasn't the Thessia mission supposed to have Shep choose between the two teammate he brings with him? One dies and that was why he was really upset? If so, then I wonder why that was changed.

From what I remember it was a choice between the VS and Liara, which would've caused the same problem

[Mr.House]

Hazegurl wrote...

Wasn't the Thessia mission supposed to have Shep choose between the two teammate he brings with him? One dies and that was why he was really upset? If so, then I wonder why that was changed.

Nope. It was to save Liara or VS. However it was changed because when it was leaked, VS fans where very upset because of that and the fact that VS was in fact helping Cerberus indirectly and still didn't beleive Shepard broke ties with Cerberus even after MArs. Also with Javik being made into dlc and the  coup being cut to what we have now in the base game(base game coup is a sliver of what was ment to be), Thessia was also cut down alot. It was not because Liara could die. It was changed for many many reasons.

Modifié par Mr.House, 18 mai 2013 - 08:33 .

[Bleachrude]

I'm not sure I agree with the "be an ass to crewmates" actually makes sense...

I've never really understood that aspect of "roleplaying" as it never really made sense to me...

For example, you can be a pro-cerberus douchebag to Garrus and Tali, yet both will still follow your lead AND they would actually hand over sensitive military secrets?

How exactly does this work in a roleplaying context?

[Ymladdych]

David7204 wrote...

Well, you should have said so. That's a reasonable request.

That being said, I frown on 'friendship levels.' They aren't very reliable. I'm friendly to every crewmember, so there's no way for the game to tell which one I actually like the most. 

Just like Ryzaki, this is all I've been saying.

I have no problem with mandatory recruitments or unkillable squaddies. I think Bioware fans have lost out on some really fantastic character experiences because the devs were forced to work around those variables.

*sheds a tear for DA:O friends and the ME2 squad*

I even agree that the PC's behavior needs to make sense within the context of the story. My complaint with Liara isn't that I can't act hatefully towards her; in fact, like Hazegurl, I roleplay with warm respect in mind...sprinkled with a few moments of blunt terseness. (Nothing personal, just a byproduct of she and my Shep being very different personalities.)

My problem with Liara is that "warm respect" doesn't seem to be enough for the game; it keeps forcing this romantically-charged, deep, mystical connection with her, which *is* very jarring. That's where it falls apart. That's where my, "Meh, I don't care for her but I can deal with it" sentiment flames into something uglier. I RP a hetero male, but I suspect the disconnect would be even higher for players who RP as a gay male or a hetero female.

Modifié par Ymladdych, 18 mai 2013 - 03:11 .

[Ryzaki]

Bleachrude wrote...

I'm not sure I agree with the "be an ass to crewmates" actually makes sense...

I've never really understood that aspect of "roleplaying" as it never really made sense to me...

For example, you can be a pro-cerberus douchebag to Garrus and Tali, yet both will still follow your lead AND they would actually hand over sensitive military secrets?

How exactly does this work in a roleplaying context?

It works because you maybe a douchebag.

But you're the douchebag trying to stop the Reapers.

It's a common interest thing.

Their gov'ts aren't listening to them. They have little other option than helping Shep.

(I mean really if this logic works for PC why wouldn't it work for NPCs? )

Not to mention even if pro-Cerberus Shep is more pro human dominance than pro KILL THE ALIENS. (Plus it's not like they don't get any benefit from helping Shep if the Quarians somehow getting a stealth ship similar to the Normandy after ME2 is any indication).

It's give and take on both ends.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 18 mai 2013 - 03:27 .

[Ymladdych]

Ryzaki wrote...

You know...I wouldn't even mind it so much if not for the "alliance couldn't spring for airsupport comment." and "Oh my god my people" ...

That mission really really just made her completely unsympathetic to me. BW achieved the exact opposite of what they were intending (for me anyway ) 

Really my renedouche would've gotten whiplash from how fast he would've turned around.

And then after discovering the beacon. Oh boy.

I have to bring Javik. Least he can say what my Shep refuses to.

Really I hate everything about Thessia. Liara was just the **** icing on a fail cake.

Stupid Kai Leng and that goddamn gunship. <_<

I'm actually okay with Liara's lines on Thessia, because I understand that she'd be emotionally compromised under the circumstances.

But then again, her being "emotionally compromised" is precisely why my Shepard probably wouldn't choose her for that squad in the first place. He'd let her ride down on the shuttle to be with her people, of course, but she wouldn't be assigned to the mission.

[Han Shot First]

Liara may get a little emotional over the fall of Thessia, and quite frankly was taking it out on Javik, but she doesn't spend the rest of the game demanding every faction in the game give her ships to save Thessia.

Shepard follows up the fall of Earth by going to Menae and telling the Turians, who have continent sized infernos raging on Palaven, that he needs their ships to save Earth. That takes brass ones.

It would also make Shepard a raging hypocrite to have issues with Liara's reaction to the fall of her homeworld, when her reaction was more tame by several orders of magnitude than Shepard's reaction to the fall of Earth.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Yeah. I rag a lot on Liara's issues with Thessia, but it's true, I really can't deny the whole "Oh god Earth is burning" plot.

For two of the three backgrounds for Shepard, it doesn't even make sense. Spacer's and Colonists weren't even born on Earth. Hell, my Earthborn Shepard wanted to get away from Earth as soon as he could. He even thought about never returning, since it sucked for him so bad growing up.

Getting resources for the Crucible and building a massive army and navy should have been the primary goal, not retaking Earth.

It's really more of the forced characterization and emotion. We're supposed to feel bad. and want to fight head-on, and hold the idiot ball.

It's entirely too ham fisted.

[Ryzaki]

Han Shot First wrote...

Liara may get a little emotional over the fall of Thessia, and quite frankly was taking it out on Javik, but she doesn't spend the rest of the game demanding every faction in the game give her ships to save Thessia.

Shepard follows up the fall of Earth by going to Menae and telling the Turians, who have continent sized infernos raging on Palaven, that he needs their ships to save Earth. That takes brass ones.

It would also make Shepard a raging hypocrite to have issues with Liara's reaction to the fall of her homeworld, when her reaction was more tame by several orders of magnitude than Shepard's reaction to the fall of Earth.

Believe me I hate that Shep does that too. (Go go BW canon Shep who apparently lacks any common sense and tact).

Eh you say that like Shep's not already a hypocrite in the narrative. Humans can be hypocritcal you know. That incident in ME2 with the looters for one thing.

@tickle: agreed. That's what I expected Shep to be flailing about. Instead he's flailing about Earth which...considering my Shep was a colonist just made me "wat"

It's really more of the forced characterization and emotion. We're
supposed to feel bad. and want to fight head-on, and hold the idiot
ball.

It's entirely too ham fisted.

Agreed so much.

"earth earth earth" 

If anything my colonist would've been more concerned about those colonies with little to no defenses being Reaped. But nope. Earth earth earth.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 18 mai 2013 - 05:30 .

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Bizinha wrote...

13 pages without pictures?



Sabotaging the other romances since 2183

Great pic. Almost as good as this one.

Modifié par EpicBoot2daFace, 18 mai 2013 - 05:39 .

[AresKeith]

Ryzaki wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Liara may get a little emotional over the fall of Thessia, and quite frankly was taking it out on Javik, but she doesn't spend the rest of the game demanding every faction in the game give her ships to save Thessia.

Shepard follows up the fall of Earth by going to Menae and telling the Turians, who have continent sized infernos raging on Palaven, that he needs their ships to save Earth. That takes brass ones.

It would also make Shepard a raging hypocrite to have issues with Liara's reaction to the fall of her homeworld, when her reaction was more tame by several orders of magnitude than Shepard's reaction to the fall of Earth.

Believe me I hate that Shep does that too. (Go go BW canon Shep who apparently lacks any common sense and tact).

Eh you say that like Shep's not already a hypocrite in the narrative. Humans can be hypocritcal you know. That incident in ME2 with the looters for one thing.

@tickle: agreed. That's what I expected Shep to be flailing about. Instead he's flailing about Earth which...considering my Shep was a colonist just made me "wat"

It's really more of the forced characterization and emotion. We're
supposed to feel bad. and want to fight head-on, and hold the idiot
ball.

It's entirely too ham fisted.

Agreed so much.

"earth earth earth" 

If anything my colonist would've been more concerned about those colonies with little to no defenses being Reaped. But nope. Earth earth earth.

Yay bad writing

Modifié par AresKeith, 18 mai 2013 - 05:39 .

[Falaxe]

Ryzaki wrote...



Agreed so much.

"earth earth earth" 

If anything my colonist would've been more concerned about those colonies with little to no defenses being Reaped. But nope. Earth earth earth.

I hope they don`t rush the next game, so you can characterize your "shepard" to meet your ideology better etc.

[Ymladdych]

Ryzaki wrote...
Agreed so much.

"earth earth earth" 

If anything my colonist would've been more concerned about those colonies with little to no defenses being Reaped. But nope. Earth earth earth.

I get your point, but was he upset about the planet, or the number of human casualties?

Earth had 11 billion peeps on it, pre-invasion. The biggest human colonies, Eden Prime and Terra Nova, only had 4.2 and 4.4 million people each, respectively.

[Ryzaki]

Ymladdych wrote...
I get your point, but was he upset about the planet, or the number of human casualties?

Earth had 11 billion peeps on it, pre-invasion. The biggest human colonies, Eden Prime and Terra Nova, only had 4.2 and 4.4 million people each, respectively.

Seemed more like the planet to me. Really ME3 feels like it was written for an earthborn and the other two origins are afterthoughts.

Though yeah that's alot of human casualities. There's alot of casualities going all over. Just makes Shep sound like a douche when he's constantly going about earth. Especially as you said in the Palaven scenario. I just shook my head (and wondered where was my paragon "You see this destruction? It's happening all over, we need to stand together and fight the Reapers" Nope instead got "Double this for earth" Bleh).

Falaxe wrote...
I hope they don`t rush the next game, so you can characterize your "shepard" to meet your ideology better etc.

Can't tell if sarcasm. But honestly Shep doesn't have to fit my idealogy to see the Reapers killing everyone as being a wee bit more of a concern than 1 planet.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 18 mai 2013 - 06:07 .

[dreamgazer]

Whether it's the birthplace of your Shepard or not, Earth is the hub for most human-centered activity. The capital, the homeworld, as well as the receiver of colony resource output. Sure, the game forces you to prioritize and focus on that, but I don't see it as the character-breaking stroke the BSN so often does.

[David7204]

Believe it or not, the developers can't make two dozen different endings to have the final battle accommodate what "your Shepard" supposedly cares about most. You can either have Shepard talk about Earth and provide foreshadowing for the ending, or you can have Shepard talk about somewhere else entirely and have that completely ignored in favor of Earth.

All this whining in general about characters not caring about the 'right' people being killed is utterly ridiculous and even borderline offensive. Shepard and Liara are not at fault for caring about the extinction of their species.

Modifié par David7204, 18 mai 2013 - 06:08 .

[Ryzaki]

David7204 wrote...

Believe it or not, the developers can't make two dozen different endings to have the final battle accommodate what "your Shepard" supposedly cares about most. You can either have Shepard talk about Earth and provide foreshadowing for the ending, or you can have Shepard talk about somewhere else entirely and have that completely ignored in favor of the Earth.

All this whining in general about characters not caring about the 'right' people being killed is utterly ridiculous and even borderline offensive.

Amazingly I realize that. I have no issue with the final battle being on Earth. Or did I somewhere say that I had an issue with that? 

As for foreshadowing the main point was the Citadel. That just got dragged to Earth. So yeah what foreshadowing was the Earth talk about?

Borderline offensive really? They're pixels. Relax. If it bothers you so much don't respond or ignore the thread. Not that difficult.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 18 mai 2013 - 06:16 .

[David7204]

Yes, really. They characters and events are fictional, but the ideas they represent are just as real as any other idea. If you say, for example, that any soldier who stops to help a child during battle is 'retarded' and 'deserves to die for being so stupid,' even if you're talking about fiction, you're saying the same thing about people who might do such things and face such situations in real life.

Modifié par David7204, 18 mai 2013 - 06:19 .

[Ryzaki]

David7204 wrote...

Yes, really. They characters and events are fictional, but the ideas they represent are just as real as any other idea. If you say, for example, that any soldier who stops to help a child during battle is retarded and deserves to die for being so stupid, you're saying the same thing about people who might do such things and face such situations in real life.

So you don't think mentioning your loss and only your loss to someone who's currently grieving is tactless? Because it is. Sorry to break it to you.

It's very human to do...still tactless.

Also yes there's a difference in how some people treat fictional and real people I'm not going to stop doing such so if it really bothers you that much I'd suggest to stop responding to me. If you're getting to the point where you're offended it's time to back away.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 18 mai 2013 - 06:20 .

[AlanC9]

I would have preferred taking back Earth to have not been foreshadowed.