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[MassivelyEffective0730]

AresKeith wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Tell you what: if you throw Shepard's life in the balance, I'd consider the scenario.

If you bring characters that you ignore or verbally degrade on the beam run, then the trust isn't there and Shepard dies in the process of beating the Reapers. If you've built a kinship with those squad members, meaning you're forced to develop a bond with them across the game, then Shepard lives to see those he left behind.

Well, by my Shepard's very nature, he's incapable of feeling survivor's guilt or PTSD. I'm good with that. I always build a rapport with my crew.

Liara and Ashley/Tali die, and he lives to know that they died getting him to safety.

Also, once more, you don't have to kill both characters. Liara died while Shepard dragged Vega to cover, or Garrus dies while Shepard carries Ashley to safety or whatever.

I actually understand your scenario, but this is like the SM where some players killed off crewmembers on purpose

And I have no problem with that. It's their game, let them do whatever the hell they want to do with their Shepard.

And I agree, but you should really base this on EMS level

That's what the rest of the battle is based off of. Or prior decisions and choices. Have the Krogan? They ride in on kakliosaurs and kill the Rachni Reapers (with the standard Rachni supporting them if you have them). Have a group of Banshee's attack only to be destroyed by the Asari air support. See the Volus bombers make an attack for you. See the Kwunu in action. See the Asari cruisers cover an alliance dreadnought and help it destroy a Reaper. Something like that.

I don't want to be forced into watching Liara or Tali or Ashley live because I have too good of an EMS. 

It's let the squadmates you hate live for the sake of the galaxy, or watch them die with the galaxy burning as a consequence. I'd like to see one or both of them die without consequence to my Shepard or my game.

I know a lot of people don't feel the same at all. I know it's irrational to a degree.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 18 mai 2013 - 10:10 .

[Jadebaby]

Falaxe wrote...

Wow... Miranda fanboys really, really hate Liara I think that`s ok, because I would have liked to add Liara on the list of killable characters. *

I replayed ME2 ending few times with only 2 random squadmates alive, but grinding ME3 battle scenes is somewhere between boring and "not worth it". I want to see Citadel DLC party with minimal squadmates alive.


(* I have feel bad now , I don`t want to kill anybody or add them to the "list of killables")

Get gibbed and just make a save.

[dreamgazer]

Wait, who's damning the galaxy?

The Reapers are defeated either way. Shepard living or dying is the variable.

And the Virmire deal is different because it's a binary, set choice. Tali, Garrus, Liara, and Wrex aren't involved; they're not options.

[AresKeith]

This is why the Beam Run is the dumbest thing ever

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Falaxe wrote...

Wow... Miranda fanboys really, really hate Liara I think that`s ok, because I would have liked to add Liara on the list of killable characters. *

I replayed ME2 ending few times with only 2 random squadmates alive, but grinding ME3 battle scenes is somewhere between boring and "not worth it". I want to see Citadel DLC party with minimal squadmates alive.


(* I have feel bad now , I don`t want to kill anybody or add them to the "list of killables")

Miranda doesn't really have anything to do with my hate for Liara. I don't really think that's an appropriate conclusion there.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

dreamgazer wrote...

Wait, who's damning the galaxy?

The Reapers are defeated either way. Shepard living or dying is the variable.

And the Virmire deal is different because it's a binary, set choice. Tali, Garrus, Liara, and Wrex aren't involved; they're not options.

Can I have Shepard live, with the Reapers destroyed, Liara and Tali/Ashley dead, and the galaxy intact (more or less)?

If so, then I'm happy.

[themikefest]

Have T'Soni killed on the beam run, then destroy the reapers and the robot(s). I like it.

After the rubble is removed from my body, I will sit back and have a beer with a smile.

[dreamgazer]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Can I have Shepard live, with the Reapers destroyed, Liara and Tali/Ashley dead, and the galaxy intact (more or less)?

If so, then I'm happy.

Yes! But you can't be a jerkweed to the doomed people whom you're trusting with your life at the end, or pretend as if they don't exist.

Modifié par dreamgazer, 18 mai 2013 - 10:18 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

AresKeith wrote...

This is why the Beam Run is the dumbest thing ever

PE was terrible all around along with the ending.

I guess people here want both characters to have a possibility for survival. I'm fine with one more forced death for the squad: You get to pick gets to die. Two if you're so inclined. Shepard doesn't need to have a problem with any of them.

I'm fine with a scenario with the two surviving if you want. I just don't want it to be based on EMS. As in high enough, they both live, too low, one or both dies (and the galaxy burns).

I want it to be separated from that. I want to have a high EMS, with many assets, Shepard living, the galaxy surviving, and a few choice characters dead.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

dreamgazer wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Can I have Shepard live, with the Reapers destroyed, Liara and Tali/Ashley dead, and the galaxy intact (more or less)?

If so, then I'm happy.

Yes! But you can't be a jerkweed to the doomed people whom you're trusting with your life at the end, or pretend as if they don't exist.

See, I don't like that though. That keeps my Shepard from doing what I want him to do. Two (or one) people who I like die, so that two people I hate live.

[Hazegurl]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
How can you not meta-game Virmire? I have Ashley's death all planned out ahead. She's going to guard the bomb so that I can put Kaidan with Kirrahe and save the Salarian team as well when I leave her to die.

Choices and Prep are fine. In a perfect game, they'd have mattered in a greatly revamped PE. But when you have Harbinger staring you down and shooting at you, all the prep and choice in the world is somewhat meaningless. It's a P/R interrupt to save a character (or let both die) brought on by a Reaper.

Unless you're suggesting that the whole beam run be scrapped. I'd be fine with it, but you'd need something else in return.

I agree. People metagame Virmire all the time and you can certainly reload if you don't like your choice. I always have high EMS and I got ME3 when the EC was already out so I never experienced my team dying on the beam run. It would have been interesting to get a choice during that time or even during Thessia. I don't get why people have an issue with wether or not some players preplan teammate's death.

Modifié par Hazegurl, 18 mai 2013 - 10:23 .

[Falaxe]

Jadebaby wrote...

Falaxe wrote...

Wow... Miranda fanboys really, really hate Liara I think that`s ok, because I would have liked to add Liara on the list of killable characters. *

I replayed ME2 ending few times with only 2 random squadmates alive, but grinding ME3 battle scenes is somewhere between boring and "not worth it". I want to see Citadel DLC party with minimal squadmates alive.


(* I have feel bad now , I don`t want to kill anybody or add them to the "list of killables")

Get gibbed and just make a save.

*Looks at desktop*
*Sees folder named: "Gibbed ME3 Save Editor"*
*Information still processing, please wait...*
*Realization*
*Facepalm initiate*

All that time... All that time, I could have spend playing other games and masturbating at asari lesbian porno watching funny/cute cat pictures.

[AresKeith]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

This is why the Beam Run is the dumbest thing ever

PE was terrible all around along with the ending.

I guess people here want both characters to have a possibility for survival. I'm fine with one more forced death for the squad: You get to pick gets to die. Two if you're so inclined. Shepard doesn't need to have a problem with any of them.

I'm fine with a scenario with the two surviving if you want. I just don't want it to be based on EMS. As in high enough, they both live, too low, one or both dies (and the galaxy burns).

I want it to be separated from that. I want to have a high EMS, with many assets, Shepard living, the galaxy surviving, and a few choice characters dead.

Like having Anderson involved, which you make him more relevant that just magically appearing on the Citadel based on a choice you make?

Like theMikefest once said 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

AresKeith wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

This is why the Beam Run is the dumbest thing ever

PE was terrible all around along with the ending.

I guess people here want both characters to have a possibility for survival. I'm fine with one more forced death for the squad: You get to pick gets to die. Two if you're so inclined. Shepard doesn't need to have a problem with any of them.

I'm fine with a scenario with the two surviving if you want. I just don't want it to be based on EMS. As in high enough, they both live, too low, one or both dies (and the galaxy burns).

I want it to be separated from that. I want to have a high EMS, with many assets, Shepard living, the galaxy surviving, and a few choice characters dead.

Like having Anderson involved, which you make him more relevant that just magically appearing on the Citadel based on a choice you make?

Like theMikefest once said 

Then that makes the second squadmate magically live. I call that contrived personally (though odds are I'd be watching Tali and Liara get vaporized).

[Jadebaby]

Falaxe wrote...

Jadebaby wrote...

Falaxe wrote...

Wow... Miranda fanboys really, really hate Liara I think that`s ok, because I would have liked to add Liara on the list of killable characters. *

I replayed ME2 ending few times with only 2 random squadmates alive, but grinding ME3 battle scenes is somewhere between boring and "not worth it". I want to see Citadel DLC party with minimal squadmates alive.


(* I have feel bad now , I don`t want to kill anybody or add them to the "list of killables")

Get gibbed and just make a save.

*Looks at desktop*
*Sees folder named: "Gibbed ME3 Save Editor"*
*Information still processing, please wait...*
*Realization*
*Facepalm initiate*

All that time... All that time, I could have spend playing other games and masturbating at asari lesbian porno watching funny/cute cat pictures.

I just laughed so loud.

I spent a lot of time playing through the games as well.. I still prefer to play ME1 all the way through since I haven't found a gibbed for that game, but 2 and 3 I have and will continue to use gibbed. It's really handy.. Especially for those resources in 2.

[dreamgazer]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

See, I don't like that though. That keeps my Shepard from doing what I want him to do. Two (or one) people who I like die, so that two people I hate live.

Why would your Shepard be taking untrusted, unliked characters on the absolute most-important moment in the entire narrative?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Hazegurl wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
How can you not meta-game Virmire? I have Ashley's death all planned out ahead. She's going to guard the bomb so that I can put Kaidan with Kirrahe and save the Salarian team as well when I leave her to die.

Choices and Prep are fine. In a perfect game, they'd have mattered in a greatly revamped PE. But when you have Harbinger staring you down and shooting at you, all the prep and choice in the world is somewhat meaningless. It's a P/R interrupt to save a character (or let both die) brought on by a Reaper.

Unless you're suggesting that the whole beam run be scrapped. I'd be fine with it, but you'd need something else in return.

I agree. People metagame Virmire all the time and you can certainly reload if you don't like your choice. I always have high EMS and I got ME3 when the EC was already out so I never experienced my team dying on the beam run. It would have been interesting to get a choice during that time or even during Thessia. I don't get why people have an issue with wether or not some players preplan teammate's death.

I don't know why they get upset over players planning the death's of characters either. Honestly, I'd kill the whole ME1 team if I could. Wrex is really the only character I have any positive feelings for. I've always hated Ashley, Liara and Tali grew more and more negative as the series progressed (not that I ever saw them in a good light to begin with). Kaidan is ok, but nothing special, and Garrus was always meh to me. I don't see how he's my Shepard's bro at all. 

[AresKeith]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

This is why the Beam Run is the dumbest thing ever

PE was terrible all around along with the ending.

I guess people here want both characters to have a possibility for survival. I'm fine with one more forced death for the squad: You get to pick gets to die. Two if you're so inclined. Shepard doesn't need to have a problem with any of them.

I'm fine with a scenario with the two surviving if you want. I just don't want it to be based on EMS. As in high enough, they both live, too low, one or both dies (and the galaxy burns).

I want it to be separated from that. I want to have a high EMS, with many assets, Shepard living, the galaxy surviving, and a few choice characters dead.

Like having Anderson involved, which you make him more relevant that just magically appearing on the Citadel based on a choice you make?

Like theMikefest once said 

Then that makes the second squadmate magically live. I call that contrived personally (though odds are I'd be watching Tali and Liara get vaporized).

Not really, if you choose to save the second squadmate then Anderson doesn't save the first one

[MassivelyEffective0730]

dreamgazer wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

See, I don't like that though. That keeps my Shepard from doing what I want him to do. Two (or one) people who I like die, so that two people I hate live.

Why would your Shepard be taking untrusted, unliked characters on the absolute most-important moment in the entire narrative?

Because they're now soldiers doing as he orders them to do. They're expected to be competent and strong enough on their own to have their **** squared away and not let any issues (personal or professional) get in the way of the mission.

Also because the squadmates I trust the most are the ones I trust most to lead and operate independently from my Shepard.

I trust Garrus and his combat abilities. I trust him to back me up from afar in a sniper unit, or lead his own team into battle. I trust James to do the same. And Javik. If I have Ashley (I'd be bringing her with Liara), I'd have Tali operating with a drone squad (If I gave Ashley to Hackett or killed her on the Citadel, I'd bring Tali), and EDI would be better served as a tactical computer at headquarters, coordinating groundfire and air assault fire solutions.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 18 mai 2013 - 10:36 .

[dreamgazer]

I don't really have a problem with people plotting deaths around the game's mechanics, but only if it properly services the storytelling. The Suicide Mission is pretty decent at that.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

AresKeith wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

This is why the Beam Run is the dumbest thing ever

PE was terrible all around along with the ending.

I guess people here want both characters to have a possibility for survival. I'm fine with one more forced death for the squad: You get to pick gets to die. Two if you're so inclined. Shepard doesn't need to have a problem with any of them.

I'm fine with a scenario with the two surviving if you want. I just don't want it to be based on EMS. As in high enough, they both live, too low, one or both dies (and the galaxy burns).

I want it to be separated from that. I want to have a high EMS, with many assets, Shepard living, the galaxy surviving, and a few choice characters dead.

Like having Anderson involved, which you make him more relevant that just magically appearing on the Citadel based on a choice you make?

Like theMikefest once said 

Then that makes the second squadmate magically live. I call that contrived personally (though odds are I'd be watching Tali and Liara get vaporized).

Not really, if you choose to save the second squadmate then Anderson doesn't save the first one

Why not? 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

dreamgazer wrote...

I don't really have a problem with people plotting deaths around the game's mechanics, but only if it properly services the storytelling. The Suicide Mission is pretty decent at that.

Yes it is, which is why I love it so much.

Although I don't kill any crew or squadmates. The "Suicide Mission" is pulled off with zero fatalities for me.

[AresKeith]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

This is why the Beam Run is the dumbest thing ever

PE was terrible all around along with the ending.

I guess people here want both characters to have a possibility for survival. I'm fine with one more forced death for the squad: You get to pick gets to die. Two if you're so inclined. Shepard doesn't need to have a problem with any of them.

I'm fine with a scenario with the two surviving if you want. I just don't want it to be based on EMS. As in high enough, they both live, too low, one or both dies (and the galaxy burns).

I want it to be separated from that. I want to have a high EMS, with many assets, Shepard living, the galaxy surviving, and a few choice characters dead.

Like having Anderson involved, which you make him more relevant that just magically appearing on the Citadel based on a choice you make?

Like theMikefest once said 

Then that makes the second squadmate magically live. I call that contrived personally (though odds are I'd be watching Tali and Liara get vaporized).

Not really, if you choose to save the second squadmate then Anderson doesn't save the first one

Why not? 

He doesn't get there in time, he would be close enough to help the Second squadmate not enough to help the first one

[MassivelyEffective0730]

AresKeith wrote...
He doesn't get there in time, he would be close enough to help the Second squadmate not enough to help the first one

I see what you're getting at then. I'd be fine with it.

[Ymladdych]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
That's what the rest of the battle is based off of.

I don't want to be forced into watching Liara or Tali or Ashley live because I have too good of an EMS. 

It's let the squadmates you hate live for the sake of the galaxy, or watch them die with the galaxy burning as a consequence.

I know a lot of people don't feel the same at all. I know it's irrational to a degree.

I sympathize with you about Liara; I was disappointed that the leaked VS x Liara confrontation was written out. (When we heard about it, a buddy and I joked that I'd be so excited, my bumper button would crack when making the choice.)

I also don't think it would be too contrived if a death scenario was interrupt-based. We've seen those kind of situations when saving other NPC's, why not a henchman?

But it's done, and I'd rather advocate for ways to avoid another Liara Dilemma in the future.