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[dreamgazer]

Caldari Ghost wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

I'm wondering why they forced Joker on me at the sushi bar. What the hell, BioWare?

.......... you're joking, right?

I would say that's a good possibility.

[Argolas]

Chardonney wrote...

TARITARI wrote...

I can't stand any of those snotty, arrogant blue Seamonkeys.   Liara has the brass to complain about the Alliance not providing Air support on Thessia?   After the Asari left our butts hanging in the wind through most of the game while sitting on the answer to the catalyst?

Yeah, the whole shuttle ride to Thessia is annoying. When she says; "My people are dying down there" and wants Shep to save them , I just want to scream. What the heck does she think the people back on earth are doing? Having a spring picnic with rainbows and bunnies? I wish I could've kicked her out of the shuttle.

You two should listen to Shepard when he talks to Victus.

Victus: I can't leave my men alo-

Shepard: MY PEOPLE ARE DYING ON EARTH!

Victus: But Commander, Palaven is burning as we-

Shepard: I DON'T CARE! GIVE ME YOUR FLEETS!


Tuchanka mission:

Shepard: There's a Reaper in the way? Okay. Victus, you get fighters from Palaven.

Victus: Commander, I don't think we can...

Shepard: YOU better FALL IN LINE now. I don't care who is the Primarch of the Hierarchy here!

Victus: The Alliance already abandoned earth. I hear you have large fleets in reserve, including fighters and carriers. My people down there are in desperate need of what air support we have left. Can't you-

Shepard: Turian. Fighters. To. Tuchanka. NOW!

Modifié par Argolas, 16 mai 2013 - 04:00 .

[Morlath]

Argolas wrote...

The distancing in ME2 isn't weird at all. Shepard died and Feron, probably her best friend at that time (didn't read any comics) got killed because of her, at least that's what she believes at that time. She had been alone for half a century and was pretty happy with it, now she recently opened up to relationships and the two most important people in her life immediatly get killed. Now she spent two years in a business where you can't trust anyone, her own assistant being the best example. Of course she'd hesitate to open herself up again. Of course she can't pretend that nothing happened, Shep's back and it's all good again. Of course it's difficult.

True enough. I suppose I was thinking about the distance of ME3 more than anything else.

[Enhanced]

tickle267 wrote...

the plot should have been more focused on building the crucible and gaining material/support for that rather than the fools dream of retaking earth, afterall as javik says, the loss of a planet is insignificant to the loss of a galaxy". all retaking earth does (if it even succeeds) is destroy a significant amount of allied forces which makes things easier for the reapers.

But, the reapers were trying to build a human reaper capital ship. Making earth a priority prevented that.

Modifié par Enhanced, 16 mai 2013 - 04:23 .

[TARITARI]

Argolas wrote...

Chardonney wrote...

TARITARI wrote...

I can't stand any of those snotty, arrogant blue Seamonkeys.   Liara has the brass to complain about the Alliance not providing Air support on Thessia?   After the Asari left our butts hanging in the wind through most of the game while sitting on the answer to the catalyst?

Yeah, the whole shuttle ride to Thessia is annoying. When she says; "My people are dying down there" and wants Shep to save them , I just want to scream. What the heck does she think the people back on earth are doing? Having a spring picnic with rainbows and bunnies? I wish I could've kicked her out of the shuttle.

You two should listen to Shepard when he talks to Victus.

Victus: I can't leave my men alo-

Shepard: MY PEOPLE ARE DYING ON EARTH!

Victus: But Commander, Palaven is burning as we-

Shepard: I DON'T CARE! GIVE ME YOUR FLEETS!


Tuchanka mission:

Shepard: There's a Reaper in the way? Okay. Victus, you get fighters from Palaven.

Victus: Commander, I don't think we can...

Shepard: YOU better FALL IN LINE now. I don't care who is the Primarch of the Hierarchy here!

Victus: The Alliance already abandoned earth. I hear you have large fleets in reserve, including fighters and carriers. My people down there are in desperate need of what air support we have left. Can't you-

Shepard: Turian. Fighters. To. Tuchanka. NOW!

LOL!     True enough.
I get that.  I got it at the time.  But I WASN'T asked to go hold Victus's hand and  kiss his turian butt and play violins for him afterward by pretty much every member of the crew.   The Asari got exactly what they asked for and I had to watch my Shepard cry bitter tears over the blue latex lesbian planet when she should have just told them to suck it up like everybody else.

[Iakus]

TARITARI wrote...

I can't stand any of those snotty, arrogant blue Seamonkeys.   Liara has the brass to complain about the Alliance not providing Air support on Thessia?   After the Asari left our butts hanging in the wind through most of the game while sitting on the answer to the catalyst?    (I turned around and emptied my assault rifle into her for all the good it did me.    Needless to say I would have left her in her room for the whole game if I had been given the option.   

It's always more real when it's your house that's on fire.

[Ecrulis]

Nightwriter wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Yeah I have no idea why Liara shows up and flirts with you by default if you didn't romance anyone on the ME3 squad. Fans complaining of too much Liara imposition? Impose moar Liara.

Because they had to have someone let new players know that "hey, this game has romances" and she just happens to be attracted to a Shep of either gender.

There's also the tiny factor of her being the only squadmate who was with you since the beginning that can't die until the very end.

People who play the Citadel DLC have likely already purchased and played ME3, and probably already know there are romances.

Besides, I was romancing someone and she still flirted with mah Shep.

And now they know "hey, you may want to load an earlier save and lock your preferred romance in first, since the game can't magically divine who you're really courting until you do. This DLC has romance-specific content and you're going to miss out."

And it was a lot cheaper to do this using Liara's already-recorded romance lines than to come up with a brand new way of saying it.

But I did lock my romance in.

You're saying Liara flirts with you because they couldn't afford to record a single line of alternate dialogue?

Not that they couldn't afford it, it's pure laziness there are plenty of things in ME3 that show just how many corners were cut

[Barquiel]

It's absolutely hilarious when people get mad at Liara for caring more about her own species (homeworld). Yes, she does...just like everyone else. Shepard doesn't spend the entire game moping about Irune or Khar'shan and tries to get everyone to rally together to retake these planets, Tali doesn't jump of some cliff because the reapers killed billions of batarians,...

[themikefest]

TARITARI wrote...

I can't stand any of those snotty, arrogant blue Seamonkeys.   Liara has the brass to complain about the Alliance not providing Air support on Thessia?   After the Asari left our butts hanging in the wind through most of the game while sitting on the answer to the catalyst?    (I turned around and emptied my assault rifle into her for all the good it did me.    Needless to say I would have left her in her room for the whole game if I had been given the option.   

files.coloribus.com/files/adsarchive/part_1342/13428155/file/sea-monkeys-legs-original-30745.jpg

My thoughts exactly.

I like the image

[Ecrulis]

Barquiel wrote...

It's absolutely hilarious when people get mad at Liara for caring more about her own species (homeworld). Yes, she does...just like everyone else. Shepard doesn't spend the entire game moping about Irune or Khar'shan and tries to get everyone to rally together to retake these planets, Tali doesn't jump of some cliff because the reapers killed billions of batarians,...

Also this, it is quite funny.

[Zazzerka]

TARITARI wrote...

After the Asari left our butts hanging in the wind through most of the game while sitting on the answer to the catalyst?

You heard it here first.

LIARA IS ENTIRE ASARI

ENTIRE

ASARI

Modifié par Zazzerka, 16 mai 2013 - 04:56 .

[MegaSovereign]

Zazzerka wrote...

TARITARI wrote...

After the Asari left our butts hanging in the wind through most of the game while sitting on the answer to the catalyst?

You heard it here first.

LIARA IS ENTIRE ASARI

ENTIRE

ASARI

Impressive.

[TARITARI]

Barquiel wrote...

It's absolutely hilarious when people get mad at Liara for caring more about her own species (homeworld). Yes, she does...just like everyone else. Shepard doesn't spend the entire game moping about Irune or Khar'shan and tries to get everyone to rally together to retake these planets, Tali doesn't jump of some cliff because the reapers killed billions of batarians,...

Not mad at Liara for caring.  I'm mad at her for insisting on coming along and then whining endlessly about it during the mission to the point where Shepard and the other squad member have to repeatedly tell her to focus.     The whole time I am thinking.. "I KNEW I didn't want to bring her along."

[Ymladdych]

David7204 wrote...

For one, lots of players like Liara as much or as more as Garrus. If Garrus had been the mandatory squadmate and Liara had been the killable one, I have little doubt that players would be complaining about Garrus instead.

Full disclosure: I hate Liara. She's a stereotypical "angel in the house," tailored to be awesome without triggering a player's...insecurities. She's sexually open and beautiful, but yet she's also virginal, innocent, and completely approachable. She's intelligent, but not "too" smart. Like Watamaniuk was just quoted as saying OXM: she's not "obvious" about it.

Now, how much people "like" Liara is up for debate. She was used slightly more than Garrus, but that doesn't mean players "liked" her so much that they were happy with her overbearing narrative presence in the game.

For one thing, Soldier is the most popular class...by quite a bit. For another, there's a derth of biotic companions; in fact, she's the ONLY biotic if Javik is missing and Kaidan is dead. From a game mechanics perspective, it makes sense that she'd be a strategically smart choice for most players. Additionally, she's the companion with the longest span of availability.

Another reason is that Liara simply comes off as the much more of the caring and nuturing type than Garrus. if the player is friends with both of them, I think checking on Shepard fits Liara a little better.

And obviously, people feel that she oversteps her boundaries because of it. But I have to say, I think a lot of the vitriol stems from Shepard's hard-coded reactions (via dialogue, animations, and VA tone) to Liara, not just Liara's behavior. Let me put it to you this way...I entered this franchise with ME2 for PS3 completely unspoiled, and just by watching the Genesis comic, I could see the disparity. I even told my best friend while it was playing, "Wow. They really want me to pick the blue girl."

Then, after I played "Lair of the Shadow Broker," I asked that same best friend, "Why do I feel like my Shepard's in love with her and regrets that they never hooked up?"

I've long since played the entire trilogy, and I could flood you with a ton of examples of things that contribute to this alienation, but I'll just give you two big ones off the top of my head:

• In "Lair of the Shadow Broker," Shepard will dive to save Liara from debris, with a quick shot of them spooning on the floor without a care in the world,  while the other squadmate gets to eat 300 pounds of desk. (Mind you, Shepard's equally close to both henchmen.) What if the player has an ME2 LI and brings him/her along, as I did?
• In vanilla ME3, Shepard shows more emotional depth and intimacy with Liara's "friend" scenes than with any of the ME2 romance scenes, barring Miranda's death sequence. Lastly, to top it all off, the original disc ending shows Shepard's last thought to be of...Liara. (Some might say that was a bug, but then I'd ask why the cinematic files weren't even on the disc - they weren't added until the EC.)

Another reason is the simple fact that Garrus can be dead.

I'm not convinced that Garrus having one extra line would've ruptured their budget, but I accept this point. That doesn't abate people's irritation with her flirtiness, however. (Bug or not.)

Modifié par Ymladdych, 16 mai 2013 - 07:16 .

[Bleachrude]

I actually respect Victus a lot...if Shepard in his introduction uses the renegade response, Victus responds

"I do NOT appreciate your tone commander, remember who you are speaking to".

Pretty much the only time in the entire trilogy a legitimate higher ranked official actually told shepard to watch his tone.

re: Liara
Liara is the face of ME. Sure, she doesn't appear on any of the box-art but it's hard to deny that if there ever is a tv series/movie made about ME, Liara WILL be the canon LI.

Yeah, yeah. I know it's annoying especially if you started in ME2 and never picked up LotSB and thus in ME3, you're wondering who the hell is this blue woman being so forward with me....

[dreamgazer]

 I've never played a soldier Shepard.

[Morlath]

Bleachrude wrote...

Pretty much the only time in the entire trilogy a legitimate higher ranked official actually told shepard to watch his tone.

ME1 with that arrogant so-and-so who wants to do an inspection. I also think Anderson gets testy if you ask if you can trust Nihlus right at the start.

[Ecrulis]

tickle267 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

 I've never played a soldier Shepard.

i did for about 5 minutes and then got bored.

Same

Vanguard For Life

[KaiserShep]

Yeah I was all about being an adept in the beginning, but once I got the hang of vanguard's powers, I can't go with anything else.

[Ecrulis]

KaiserShep wrote...

Yeah I was all about being an adept in the beginning, but once I got the hang of vanguard's powers, I can't go with anything else.

Nothing like Reave-->Charge--->Shotgun to just annihilate everything in your path.

[TARITARI]

themikefest wrote...

TARITARI wrote...

I can't stand any of those snotty, arrogant blue Seamonkeys.   Liara has the brass to complain about the Alliance not providing Air support on Thessia?   After the Asari left our butts hanging in the wind through most of the game while sitting on the answer to the catalyst?    (I turned around and emptied my assault rifle into her for all the good it did me.    Needless to say I would have left her in her room for the whole game if I had been given the option.   

files.coloribus.com/files/adsarchive/part_1342/13428155/file/sea-monkeys-legs-original-30745.jpg

My thoughts exactly.

I like the image

LOL!    I can't stop seeing seamonkeys when I look at Asari.   This old ad for them is hilarious.    (Not sure how you can look at brine shrimp and think sexy!)

[KaiserShep]

Ecrulis wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

Yeah I was all about being an adept in the beginning, but once I got the hang of vanguard's powers, I can't go with anything else.

Nothing like Reave-->Charge--->Shotgun to just annihilate everything in your path.

I'm also a fan of charging into a group and doing a nova blast.