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[Hazegurl]

Zazzerka wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

LOL!! I have no idea why the other option exist if she's gonna camp out anyway and it sucked cause i spent time with Kaidan before her and he didn't even stay.

She's just looking to add another hangout to her collection of sweet cribs. The Normandy office, the Illium apartment, a gigantic stormship, and now Shepard's pad.

Girl's got needs, don't be hatin'.

LOL!! b*tch better be splitting the bills then. Cash or ass Liara, nobody rides for free!

[PsyrenY]

Nightwriter wrote...

But I did lock my romance in.

You're saying Liara flirts with you because they couldn't afford to record a single line of alternate dialogue?

Before we go further, what line specifically are you referring to? Because I romanced both Kaidan and Garrus on my playthroughs and got no flirting from Liara.

[Argolas]

Ymladdych wrote...
She's a stereotypical "angel in the house," tailored to be awesome without triggering a player's...insecurities. She's sexually open and beautiful, but yet she's also virginal, innocent, and completely approachable. She's intelligent, but not "too" smart. Like Watamaniuk was just quoted as saying OXM: she's not "obvious" about it.

Just quoting that part because I want to keep my response rather general.

I pretty much agree about the ME1 version of Liara who I didn't hate but also didn't really mind, she was an average and rather boring character to me. However, she is not designed to be "perfect" in any way if that's what you are implying. In ME1 we don't see many negative aspects other than arrogance in her first debriefing, but as I said above I pretty much agree with that version. In ME2, however, she became cold, paranoid and uses Shepard for her own revenge plans- doesn't fit your stereotype. In LotSB she resists every attempt to rekindle a possible romance until the very end- same thing. She is also not only "intelligent" but much more so than Shepard, she's not only an expert on Protheans but also helps with issues that are not her core expertise- the stereotype you are describing would never be that well-educated. In ME3, 95% of the time Liara talks to you is strictly business, others like Tali (who fits the stereotype you describe a lot more) have a lot more romance-related lines, not only when you talk to them on the ship but also during missions. Comparing Liara's romance to a ME2-character romance is unfair, we all know that those were screwed up, that has nothing to do with Liara.

Modifié par Argolas, 17 mai 2013 - 12:17 .

[Mr.House]

Ah a Liara hate thread, where the vocal minority come from their rock and spew hyperbole. How I miss thee.

Liara is not forced on you at all in the Citadel dlc, nor does she flirt with you. She's no more forced on you then Joker and Vega(unless Wrex is alive, then Wrex is forced on you)

Modifié par Mr.House, 16 mai 2013 - 11:26 .

[Hazegurl]

Yay another Liara fan who can't take a joke. lol!

[Argolas]

Hazegurl wrote...

Yay another Liara fan who can't take a joke. lol!

BSN is so full of trolls and jerks that it's hard to tell what is supposed to be a joke and what isn't.

[Ymladdych]

Argolas wrote...
Just quoting that part because I want to keep my response rather general.

I pretty much agree about the ME1 version of Liara who I didn't hate but also didn't really mind, she was an average and rather boring character to me. However, she is in no way designed to be "perfect" in any way if that's what you are implying. In ME1 we don't see many negative aspects other than arrogance in her first debriefing, but as I said above I pretty much agree with that version. In ME2, however, she became cold, paranoid and uses Shepard for her own revenge plans- doesn't fit your stereotype. In LotSB she resists every attempt to rekindle a possible romance until the very end- same thing. She is also not only "intelligent" but much more so than Shepard, she's not only an expert on Protheans but also helps with issues that are not her core expertise- the stereotype you are describing would never be that well-educated. In ME3, 95% of the time Liara talks to you is strictly business, others like Tali (who fits the stereotype you describe a lot more) have a lot more romance-related lines, not only when you talk to them on the ship but also during missions. Comparing Liara's romance to a ME2-character romance is unfair, we all know that those were screwed up, that has nothing to do with Liara.

I have no interest in a debate about Liara's characterization; you don't see her that way - you like her...cool beans for you. We can agree to disagree on our tastes - no problem. I do take issue with your claim that she's 95% business in ME3, though. If that were true, then why do so many non-Liaramancers feel as I do? And if Bioware really thought that people like me were such a minority, why would they cut her presence back as much as they did in Citadel?

As for Tali - I agree with you on some levels but disagree on others. I don't romance her because of her characterization, but neither do I feel "put upon" by her crush like I do Liara's. Shep turns her down in ME2, and that's that. My Shep sees her as a little sister, and nothing in the game ever works against that sentiment. Unfortunately, I can't say the same for Liara; too many of her scenes would make me feel icky if I tried to RP seeing her as a sister.

Lastly, it's absolutely fair for me to convey my experience as someone who romanced an ME2 character when discussing Liara, given that my experience was negatively affected by aspects of my interaction with her. (Multiple times.) As for whether it's her *fault* that Bioware allocated so many resources to her over the VS and ME2 characters...*shrug*...only Bioware knows for sure. Would they have given her the same amount of content knowing what they know now? It's a good question.

Modifié par Ymladdych, 17 mai 2013 - 02:52 .

[EpicBoot2daFace]

You guys are giving Liara a headache. Stop it.

[Mr.House]

Ymladdych wrote...

Lastly, it's absolutely fair for me to convey my experience as someone who romanced an ME2 character when discussing Liara, given that my experience was negatively affected by aspects of my interaction with Liara. (Multiple times.) As for whether it's her *fault* that Bioware allocated so many resources to her over the VS and ME2 characters...*shrug*...only Bioware knows for sure. Would they have given her the same amount of content knowing what they know now? It's a good question.

Both Garrus and Liara had the same maount of content and high quality in terms of romance. So no it was not just Liara that got favored.

Also they would have gave her the same content even if they knew the vocal minoirty would cry because Liara is a fan fav, just like Garrus and Tali. Bioware in all their games shows uniuqe treatment to certain characters or very popular characters. ME series is not diffrent(Garrus and Liara)

Also I know peopel who never romanced Liara and had no issues at all with her in ME2, it is simply a vocal minoirty, which is alwayst he same group of people with sometimes some new people.

Modifié par Mr.House, 17 mai 2013 - 01:18 .

[David7204]

There's absolutely nothing wrong with storytellers giving characters different amounts of content. They're under no obligation whatsoever to give characters equal screentime.

Modifié par David7204, 17 mai 2013 - 01:32 .

[MegaSovereign]

Hazegurl wrote...

Yay another Liara fan who can't take a joke. lol!

Don't you dare insult my waifu.

[Ryzaki]

Mr.House wrote...

Ah a Liara hate thread, where the vocal minority come from their rock and spew hyperbole. How I miss thee.

Liara is not forced on you at all in the Citadel dlc, nor does she flirt with you. She's no more forced on you then Joker and Vega(unless Wrex is alive, then Wrex is forced on you)

Bolded is a lie. Giving someone a once over and saying "you look good" in a sultry voice (and having to do a "Oh! Uh..." moment is flirting. Not not be blatant "TAKE ME TO BED NOW!" but it's flirty. And yes she still says that if you didn't romance her. Got it on my stevemancer.

Plus would it have really killed them to have a squaddie you had the highest relationship with show up and say "Hey Shep. Let's do this." All they really had to do was take out the "you look good" line. But nooooooo. (which is even more ridculous because she has far more friendshippy dialogue for the casion club (including one of my fav lines "It's a face that can stop a Reaper Shepard. That has it's own charms.")

Modifié par Ryzaki, 17 mai 2013 - 02:25 .

[Ymladdych]

Mr. House wrote...

Both Garrus and Liara had the same maount of content and high quality in
terms of romance. So no it was not just Liara that got favored.

As I wrote in my original post, it's not just about the amount of focus that Liara receives, but the nature of her content, and how it can alienate non-Liaramancers.

David7204 wrote...

There's absolutely nothing wrong with
storytellers giving characters different amounts of content. They're
under no obligation whatsoever to give characters equal screentime.

I'll respond with the same answer I gave you in that pre-Citadel thread on the same topic: You're right. Bioware doesn't have to care about my user experience, or anyone else's for that matter. I've never said otherwise.

I post this stuff for one reason and one reason only: I like Bioware, so I put the information out there. Whether they happen to read my posts or find anything relevant in them - well, that's their business. If they find what I write offensive, then I'd expect one of them to say so, and I'd stop posting. (I'm a lot of things, but a deliberate cretin isn't one of them.)

[Dunabar]

dreamgazer wrote...

I'm wondering why they forced Joker on me at the sushi bar. What the hell, BioWare?

Someone had to be the bait and whose been sitting on their rear the most out of everyone? Joker has!

Serious note though: No idea, that one is on BioWare.

[Hazegurl]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

Yay another Liara fan who can't take a joke. lol!

Don't you dare insult my waifu.

No, that's not insulting your waifu

This is.

[Barquiel]

Jaheira, Bastila, Dawn Star, Morrigan...Bioware has always put more romantic spotlight on at least one (female) character. Yeah, Liara is "the one" in the Mass Effect series (or better, she is "the one" in LotSB/Mass Effect 3). Liara is the most popular squadmate, and she's always alive....so she gets some extra scenes or is the default choice here and there (for example in the scene discussed in this thread), it's really not that surprising. And most complaints are sheer nonsense. I mean...



Yes, Shepard saves Liara in that scene. I wonder why...

Modifié par Barquiel, 17 mai 2013 - 04:27 .

[Zazzerka]

Hazegurl wrote...

I think that's Photoshopped.

[Iakus]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

But I did lock my romance in.

You're saying Liara flirts with you because they couldn't afford to record a single line of alternate dialogue?

Before we go further, what line specifically are you referring to? Because I romanced both Kaidan and Garrus on my playthroughs and got no flirting from Liara.

Liara still shows up if you romanced someone who is not an ME3 squad member:  Jack, Steve, etc.  So if you, say, locked in a Miranda romance, you'd still get Liara showing up, and it seems having the exact same lines.

[Hazegurl]

Zazzerka wrote...

I think that's Photoshopped.

How can you tell?

[Ryzaki]

iakus wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

But I did lock my romance in.

You're saying Liara flirts with you because they couldn't afford to record a single line of alternate dialogue?

Before we go further, what line specifically are you referring to? Because I romanced both Kaidan and Garrus on my playthroughs and got no flirting from Liara.

Liara still shows up if you romanced someone who is not an ME3 squad member:  Jack, Steve, etc.  So if you, say, locked in a Miranda romance, you'd still get Liara showing up, and it seems having the exact same lines.

Yep.

That's where my "wat" came from. All they had to do was remove the you look good comment. Wouldn't have been that hard. (either that or make it more friendshippy than "oh hey guys! Liara has a crush on you!!!111 <3")

Modifié par Ryzaki, 17 mai 2013 - 05:19 .

[Argolas]

Hazegurl wrote...

Zazzerka wrote...

I think that's Photoshopped.

How can you tell?

It rather looks like MS Paint.

[Morlath]

Argolas wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

Zazzerka wrote...

I think that's Photoshopped.

How can you tell?

It rather looks like MS Paint.

And technically she's only around a 100 or so.

[gisle]

TARITARI wrote...

I can't stand any of those snotty, arrogant blue Seamonkeys.   Liara has the brass to complain about the Alliance not providing Air support on Thessia?   After the Asari left our butts hanging in the wind through most of the game while sitting on the answer to the catalyst?

But Shepard asking everyone to come to Earth wasn't anything like that? And where does it say in canon it holds the answers neededs and that the asari know? We never get to know what information there is for those who don't have the cipher.

Modifié par Gisle-Aune, 17 mai 2013 - 11:30 .

[David7204]

Liara's comment on Thessia about air support was very clearly a wry joke...I really shouldn't have to point that out.

[Steelcan]

David7204 wrote...

Liara's comment on Thessia about air support was very clearly a wry joke...I really shouldn't have to point that out.

.  It didn't come across as a joke to me.  Liara just seems to value asari lives over human lives.