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[Steelcan]

Gisle-Aune wrote...

TARITARI wrote...

I can't stand any of those snotty, arrogant blue Seamonkeys.   Liara has the brass to complain about the Alliance not providing Air support on Thessia?   After the Asari left our butts hanging in the wind through most of the game while sitting on the answer to the catalyst?

But Shepard asking everyone to come to Earth wasn't anything like that? And where does it say in canon it holds the answers neededs and that the asari know? We never get to know what information there is for those who don't have the cipher.

.  Liara says herself that she could have learned from the beacon, even without the cipher.  The asari government clearly had managed to do so.

[Zazzerka]

Steelcan wrote...

 It didn't come across as a joke to me.  Liara just seems to value asari lives over human lives.

Are you trying to tell me you don't value human lives over asari/alien lives, Señor Cerberus?

[Steelcan]

Zazzerka wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

 It didn't come across as a joke to me.  Liara just seems to value asari lives over human lives.

Are you trying to tell me you don't value human lives over asari/alien lives, Señor Cerberus?

.  I'm not the one who bleeds paragon blue 

She acts all innocent and nice and stuff, but she's a stone cold racist.

Modifié par Steelcan, 17 mai 2013 - 11:44 .

[Zazzerka]

Steelcan wrote...

I'm not the one who bleeds paragon blue 

She acts all innocent and nice and stuff, but she's a stone cold racist.

I'd say she bleeds a light paragade purple. She has a bit of leg room to be a dick.

Not that she is a dick. She busted her arse to save two of her friends, both aliens.

Modifié par Zazzerka, 17 mai 2013 - 11:51 .

[themikefest]

Steelcan wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Liara's comment on Thessia about air support was very clearly a wry joke...I really shouldn't have to point that out.

.  It didn't come across as a joke to me.  Liara just seems to value asari lives over human lives.

This is what I wanted to do to her for saying that comment.

[Steelcan]

Zazzerka wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

I'm not the one who bleeds paragon blue 

She acts all innocent and nice and stuff, but she's a stone cold racist.

I'd say she bleeds a light paragade purple. She has a bit of leg room to be a dick.

Not that she is a dick. She busted her arse to save two of her friends, both aliens.

. And she was working for......... Cerberus.  

[Zazzerka]

Steelcan wrote...

And she was working for......... Cerberus.  

Using Cerberus. Using.

[Steelcan]

Zazzerka wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

And she was working for......... Cerberus.  

Using Cerberus. Using.

.   I'd say the one who was convinced to do all the fighting was the one bieing manipulated.

[Zazzerka]

Steelcan wrote...

I'd say the one who was convinced to do all the fighting was the one bieing manipulated.

Nothing her biotics couldn't handle. She could beat Javik. Samara, too. Blindfolded.

With one arm behind her back.

[David7204]

It's true. I'm sure Liara received all her training right from the start from Shepard. A very intimate relathionship, wouldn't you say Zazzerka?

Modifié par David7204, 17 mai 2013 - 12:03 .

[Steelcan]

Zazzerka wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

I'd say the one who was convinced to do all the fighting was the one bieing manipulated.

Nothing her biotics couldn't handle. She could beat Javik. Samara, too. Blindfolded.

With one arm behind her back.

.  Sure..........

Ill be cleaning up some blue calamari after Javik is done, blue sludge after Samara, and we can always bring in Jack and just vaporize her. 

[The Night Mammoth]

I think people have been spoiled by the amount of control they had over Shepard. Now they want to control every character and everything they do to tailor their experience exactly how they want it.

[Zazzerka]

David7204 wrote...

It's true. I'm sure Liara received all her training right from the start from Shepard. A very intimate relathionship, wouldn't you say Zazzerka?

Definitely. My canon is a soldier, so it's mainly emotional support, but there's enough biotic power in that blue beauty for the both of them.

[David7204]

Well, a soldier still has plenty to teach her. Physical fitness and agility, basic hand-to-hand combat, how to shoot, how to use your eyes and ears on the battlefield, small unit tactics. How to not get shot yourself. Familiarity with some weapons and technology. And of course, the much more subtle psychological lessons that prepare you for combat mentally.

Modifié par David7204, 17 mai 2013 - 12:28 .

[Steelcan]

Or you could cryo blast everyone and then throw them around

[Barquiel]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

I think people have been spoiled by the amount of control they had over Shepard. Now they want to control every character and everything they do to tailor their experience exactly how they want it.

Exactly. And even Shepard was always less of a blank slate than the Warden or the Bhaalspawn.

Gisle-Aune wrote...

But Shepard asking everyone to come to
Earth wasn't anything like that? And where does it say in canon it
holds the answers neededs and that the asari know? We never get to know
what information there is for those who don't have the cipher.

The evidence for the Asari not having advance knowledge of the Reapers is Benezia. She knew about the beacon on Thessia, but nothing about the Reapers. Benezia and her followers thought Saren was the real threat, and Sovereign is merely his flagship.

[Zazzerka]

David7204 wrote...

And of course, the much more subtle psychological lessons that prepare you for combat mentally.

You shouldn't have mentioned that, now we're going to get "BUT LIARA CRYYYYYED ALLLLLL THE WAAAAY THROUGH PRIORITY THESSIAAAAAA!"

And then someone will give Javik mad props for shutting her down. Seen it all before.

Modifié par Zazzerka, 17 mai 2013 - 12:32 .

[Steelcan]

Zazzerka wrote...

David7204 wrote...

And of course, the much more subtle psychological lessons that prepare you for combat mentally.

You shouldn't have mentioned that, now we're going to get "BUT LIARA CRYYYYYED ALLLLLL THE WAAAAY THROUGH PRIORITY THESSIAAAAAA!"

And then someone will give Javik mad props for shutting her down. Seen it all before.

. No need to repeat.

[David7204]

Well, the lessons I'm talking about are more about being effective in the presence of fear, not 'shutting yourself down' emotionally or anything like that. Much, much, more valuable.

[Ymladdych]

Steelcan wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Liara's comment on Thessia about air support was very clearly a wry joke...I really shouldn't have to point that out.

.  It didn't come across as a joke to me.  Liara just seems to value asari lives over human lives.

Yeah...it was probably written as a wry joke, but her tone was pretty harsh. I'm okay with that, though. I think a brief display of emotional bitterness in that moment is understandable and humanizing. Most importantly, it feels genuine to me in a way that her ME2 "cold calculations" never did.

After all, she's sacrificed a lot of years supporting Shepard as a crewmate, rescuer, and personal Shadow Broker - time that she could've used to better warn or prepare her people - time she wouldn't have lost had the Alliance not swept everything under the rug when Shepard died.

[Steelcan]

Ymladdych wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Liara's comment on Thessia about air support was very clearly a wry joke...I really shouldn't have to point that out.

.  It didn't come across as a joke to me.  Liara just seems to value asari lives over human lives.

Yeah...it was probably written as a wry joke, but her tone was pretty harsh. I'm okay with that, though. I think a brief display of emotional bitterness in that moment is understandable and humanizing. Most importantly, it feels genuine to me in a way that her ME2 "cold calculations" never did.

After all, she's sacrificed a lot of years supporting Shepard as a crewmate, rescuer, and personal Shadow Broker - time that she could've used to better warn or prepare her people - time she wouldn't have lost had the Alliance not swept everything under the rug when Shepard died.

. Lazy Alliance.

Modifié par Steelcan, 17 mai 2013 - 12:44 .

[spirosz]

I am right again, Liara threads always get dem pages.

[Ymladdych]

Steelcan wrote...

Lazy Alliance.

Bah. I didn't say it was *reasonable* bitterness. Emotional! I said it was emotional. And understandable, given the circumstances. Just like my Shepard was understandably bitter about the Asari holding out on the beacon.

[Barquiel]

Sending reinforcements to Thessia was an option in an earlier version of the script (Liara's comment is definitely not unreasonable).

<data>Exactly. So you see, Commander, the battle over Thessia will be most crucial.</data>
<data>We cannot win it outright. But without the knowledge to defeat the Reapers, no planet will be spared. No rescue will come. No hope will remain.</data>
<data>Then I will divert the Justice and Apex dreadnoughts and their attendant fleets to reinforce the asari at Thessia.</data>
<data>Commander, you have a deal.</data>
<data>[The original turian and salarian councilors wait by the bedside of the original asari councilor.]</data>
<data>Commander. Please come in quietly. Councilor Tevos is sleeping.</data>
<data>We have taken the time to review your evidence against Councilor Udina, and I would like to thank you.</data>
<data>Between that video and Commander Bailey's corroborating evidence, it is clear Udina attempted to overthrow us by violent means.</data>
<data>But at least this puts to rest the debate about throwing fleets at the humans' homeworld.</data>

I wish they had kept this version...it sounds more interesting than what we got.

And if we take the multiplayer storyline as canon...the alliance and Hackett are sending reinforcements to Thessia.

Modifié par Barquiel, 17 mai 2013 - 01:36 .

[Ymladdych]

Barquiel wrote...

Sending reinforcements to Thessia was an option in an earlier version of the script (Liara's comment is definitely not unreasonable).

<data>Exactly. So you see, Commander, the battle over Thessia will be most crucial.</data>
<data>We cannot win it outright. But without the knowledge to defeat the Reapers, no planet will be spared. No rescue will come. No hope will remain.</data>
<data>Then I will divert the Justice and Apex dreadnoughts and their attendant fleets to reinforce the asari at Thessia.</data>
<data>Commander, you have a deal.</data>
<data>[The original turian and salarian councilors wait by the bedside of the original asari councilor.]</data>
<data>Commander. Please come in quietly. Councilor Tevos is sleeping.</data>
<data>We have taken the time to review your evidence against Councilor Udina, and I would like to thank you.</data>
<data>Between that video and Commander Bailey's corroborating evidence, it is clear Udina attempted to overthrow us by violent means.</data>
<data>But at least this puts to rest the debate about throwing fleets at the humans' homeworld.</data>

I wish they had kept this version...it sounds more interesting than what we got.

Ah, I see. That scenario would've given her comment a more obvious context. Thanks for posting it.