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[brushyourteeth]

Filament wrote...

ArcaneJTM wrote...

Cullen is kind of the low hanging fruit

I'm so glad I wasn't the only one whose mind jumped to this response. 

[The Six Path of Pain]

Who knows dude?I'm hoping we can kill the bastard in part three >

[Examurai]

You know... now that I think about it, how did this whole Cullen thing started?

Did a developer let something slip that gave the assumption Cullen is going to be a companion? I've been following DA3 news for nearly a year, I don't remember any confirmation happening at all. I mean what happens if this guy ends up just having another cameo appearance role, gosh... the uproar it will start.

[SamaraDraven]

One thing you forget OP is that Cullen's trauma in DAO was not years later. When he shows up in Kirkwall one year after Hawke, who fled AT THE BEGINNING of the Blight in Origins - which only lasted a year, he's only a few months from the events of Broken Circle. So "Enough time" hasn't passed. And over the course of DA2, he questions the rules of the Order as he heals and comes back toward the more moderate knight he once was in DAO. Maybe he's not as close as he once was to that naive and fairer minded boy but he is coming back to that. Seeing how this could go for him is entirely the basis of his appeal for me, regardless of whether or not he becomes an LI as well.

Modifié par SamaraDraven, 16 mai 2013 - 06:32 .

[Battlebloodmage]

Examurai1 wrote...

You know... now that I think about it, how did this whole Cullen thing started?

Did a developer let something slip that gave the assumption Cullen is going to be a companion? I've been following DA3 news for nearly a year, I don't remember any confirmation happening at all. I mean what happens if this guy ends up just having another cameo appearance role, gosh... the uproar it will start.

No one knows if he's a companion in DA3 or not. We only know that his voice actor, Greg Ellis, tweeted about reprising his role as Edward Cullen. Most of the time, Cullen fans stay in the Cullen thread in DA2 board. Threads were often than not started by people disliking Cullen and his fans, calling them all kinds of names like obsessed, crazy, or vain, even though they were rarely then ones who make thread gawking over him. I think there are a lot of unfair assumptions being made about Cullen fans, even though they are one of the most respectful fan groups here on BSN despite all the hurtful things said about Cullen fans. We did have a brief discussion about the possibility of Cullen not being a companion. Many of us would be disappointed, but we wouldn't make protests signs or complaining all over the forum, at least, out of the regulars I talked to over at Cullen thread. Most of the Cullen fans hope that he would be one of the companions despite knowing that he may not be. 

[HurricaneGinger]

Examurai1 wrote...

You know... now that I think about it, how did this whole Cullen thing started?

Did a developer let something slip that gave the assumption Cullen is going to be a companion? I've been following DA3 news for nearly a year, I don't remember any confirmation happening at all. I mean what happens if this guy ends up just having another cameo appearance role, gosh... the uproar it will start.

Nothing has been confirmed. But you know us fangirls/boys, we jump at every possibility.  The only "evidence" we have is Cullen's VA posting "doing DA3 voice work" on twitter. The post and picture have since been removed to keep it all quiet.

Personally, I'm trying not to get my hopes up despite it all. I hoped for a Joker romance in ME3, and we all know how that turned out.  

EDIT:  *shakes fist* 

Modifié par PhantomGinger, 16 mai 2013 - 06:27 .

[brushyourteeth]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Examurai1 wrote...

You know... now that I think about it, how did this whole Cullen thing started?

Did a developer let something slip that gave the assumption Cullen is going to be a companion? I've been following DA3 news for nearly a year, I don't remember any confirmation happening at all. I mean what happens if this guy ends up just having another cameo appearance role, gosh... the uproar it will start.

No one knows if he's a companion in DA3 or not. We only know that his voice actor, Greg Ellis, tweeted about reprising his role as Edward Cullen. Most of the time, Cullen fans stay in the Cullen thread in DA2 board. Threads were often than not started by people disliking Cullen and his fans, calling them all kinds of names like obsessed, crazy, or vain, even though they were rarely then ones who make thread gawking over him. I think there are a lot of unfair assumptions being made about Cullen fans, even though they are one of the most respectful fan groups here on BSN despite all the hurtful things said about Cullen fans. We did have a brief discussion about the possibility of Cullen not being a companion. Many of us would be disappointed, but we wouldn't make protests signs or complaining all over the forum, at least, out of the regulars I talked to over at Cullen thread. Most of the Cullen fans hope that he would be one of the companions despite knowing that he may not be. 

The vampire?!    
But seriously, all typos aside, BBM is right -- there's been a lot of bullying toward the Cullen fans, who are enthusiastic, but not typically pushy, and certainly don't deserve the ribbing they/we get on a regular basis. I get just as irritated with the "moar boobiiieeez" crowd but tend to keep the eyerolling and laughter to myself.

The Six Path of Pain wrote...

Who knows dude?I'm hoping we can kill the bastard in part three >

I'd try it. For science.

Modifié par brushyourteeth, 16 mai 2013 - 06:41 .

[Jean]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Examurai1 wrote...

You know... now that I think about it, how did this whole Cullen thing started?

Did a developer let something slip that gave the assumption Cullen is going to be a companion? I've been following DA3 news for nearly a year, I don't remember any confirmation happening at all. I mean what happens if this guy ends up just having another cameo appearance role, gosh... the uproar it will start.

No one knows if he's a companion in DA3 or not. We only know that his voice actor, Greg Ellis, tweeted about reprising his role as Edward Cullen. Most of the time, Cullen fans stay in the Cullen thread in DA2 board. Threads were often than not started by people disliking Cullen and his fans, calling them all kinds of names like obsessed, crazy, or vain, even though they were rarely then ones who make thread gawking over him. I think there are a lot of unfair assumptions being made about Cullen fans, even though they are one of the most respectful fan groups here on BSN despite all the hurtful things said about Cullen fans. We did have a brief discussion about the possibility of Cullen not being a companion. Many of us would be disappointed, but we wouldn't make protests signs or complaining all over the forum, at least, out of the regulars I talked to over at Cullen thread. Most of the Cullen fans hope that he would be one of the companions despite knowing that he may not be. 

What? 

Modifié par Batteries, 16 mai 2013 - 06:41 .

[Examurai]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Examurai1 wrote...

You know... now that I think about it, how did this whole Cullen thing started?

Did a developer let something slip that gave the assumption Cullen is going to be a companion? I've been following DA3 news for nearly a year, I don't remember any confirmation happening at all. I mean what happens if this guy ends up just having another cameo appearance role, gosh... the uproar it will start.

No one knows if he's a companion in DA3 or not. We only know that his voice actor, Greg Ellis, tweeted about reprising his role as Edward Cullen. Most of the time, Cullen fans stay in the Cullen thread in DA2 board. Threads were often than not started by people disliking Cullen and his fans, calling them all kinds of names like obsessed, crazy, or vain, even though they were rarely then ones who make thread gawking over him. I think there are a lot of unfair assumptions being made about Cullen fans, even though they are one of the most respectful fan groups here on BSN despite all the hurtful things said about Cullen fans. We did have a brief discussion about the possibility of Cullen not being a companion. Many of us would be disappointed, but we wouldn't make protests signs or complaining all over the forum, at least, out of the regulars I talked to over at Cullen thread. Most of the Cullen fans hope that he would be one of the companions despite knowing that he may not be. 

I see, I guess that's one information I missed. It's good to know at least you guys might expect the worse. It's just the expectation of him being a companion seems extremely high, especially from the Cullen fans, and then when you find out he isn't one, it will just spew more unnessecary Bioware hate. Usually the reason why I like to keep my expectations low.

Oh and don't worry about me insulting any of Cullen's fans, doesn't bother me. I just generally stay away from any romance fanbases in general, it gets pretty bad. I mean look what happened to the ME3 romance section of the forums lol

[Battlebloodmage]

brushyourteeth wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Examurai1 wrote...

You know... now that I think about it, how did this whole Cullen thing started?

Did a developer let something slip that gave the assumption Cullen is going to be a companion? I've been following DA3 news for nearly a year, I don't remember any confirmation happening at all. I mean what happens if this guy ends up just having another cameo appearance role, gosh... the uproar it will start.

No one knows if he's a companion in DA3 or not. We only know that his voice actor, Greg Ellis, tweeted about reprising his role as Edward Cullen. Most of the time, Cullen fans stay in the Cullen thread in DA2 board. Threads were often than not started by people disliking Cullen and his fans, calling them all kinds of names like obsessed, crazy, or vain, even though they were rarely then ones who make thread gawking over him. I think there are a lot of unfair assumptions being made about Cullen fans, even though they are one of the most respectful fan groups here on BSN despite all the hurtful things said about Cullen fans. We did have a brief discussion about the possibility of Cullen not being a companion. Many of us would be disappointed, but we wouldn't make protests signs or complaining all over the forum, at least, out of the regulars I talked to over at Cullen thread. Most of the Cullen fans hope that he would be one of the companions despite knowing that he may not be. 

The vampire?!    
But seriously, all typos aside, BBM is right -- there's been a lot of bullying toward the Cullen fans, who are enthusiastic, but not typically pushy, and certainly don't deserve the ribbing they/we get on a regular basis. I get just as irritated with the "moar boobiiieeez" crowd but tend to keep the eyerolling and laughter to myself.

The Six Path of Pain wrote...

Who knows dude?I'm hoping we can kill the bastard in part three >

I'd try it. For science.

You know you want to.  

For science. 

Modifié par Battlebloodmage, 16 mai 2013 - 06:50 .

[KiwiQuiche]

Yeah, I never understood the appeal of Cullen and if he shows in DAI I hope I can murder knife him.

His fascination with the female mage origin was creepy; he's basically a prison guard and she's a prisoner. Then he tries to get you to kill all the mages then flees to Kirkwall/gets transferred and gets even more :mages should be locked up how dare they wasn't to be treated like people" mentality.

The reason he was promoted so quickly in Kirkwall was because Meredith approved of his harsh methods; someone endorsed by that psycho? No thanks.

Also, he stands by and lets Meredith kill half the damn city before he finally gets the balls to tell her to stfu, and that's ONLY because she tries to kill the champion. I doubt he would have done anything if she had left Hawke alone.

[brushyourteeth]

Examurai1 wrote...

I see, I guess that's one information I missed. It's good to know at least you guys might expect the worse. It's just the expectation of him being a companion seems extremely high, especially from the Cullen fans, and then when you find out he isn't one, it will just spew more unnessecary Bioware hate. Usually the reason why I like to keep my expectations low.

Oh and don't worry about me insulting any of Cullen's fans, doesn't bother me. I just generally stay away from any romance fanbases in general, it gets pretty bad. I mean look what happened to the ME3 romance section of the forums lol

I don't have much experience with Cullen fans outside of the BSN (tumblr, twitter, etc.), but I know that for our part, here, there won't be anything like a backlash if there's no Cullen. We'll be disappointed for all of five minutes, and then immediately move to talking about the new locations/companions/other DA news that we've gotten.

A lot of us probably won't stop wishing he were in the game, but the level of respect for the writers and where they want to take their game is pretty high. The last thing you want is to see one of your favorite characters smooshed into a plot where he/she doesn't belong and turned into what a demographic of fans wants them to be, rather than where the writers would have naturally taken them if they'd had the right opportunity.

I may end up eating those words, but my money's on not.

[brushyourteeth]

Battlebloodmage wrote...




You know you want to.  

For science. 

I have no words.

[HurricaneGinger]

brushyourteeth wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...




You know you want to.  

For science. 

I have no words.

I don't know whether to giggle-snort or run away screaming then have my ADD drag me back and go "ooohhh shiny". 

Modifié par PhantomGinger, 16 mai 2013 - 07:01 .

[Hazegurl]

Battlebloodmage wrote...
No one knows if he's a companion in DA3 or not. We only know that his voice actor, Greg Ellis, tweeted about reprising his role as Edward Cullen. Most of the time, Cullen fans stay in the Cullen thread in DA2 board. Threads were often than not started by people disliking Cullen and his fans, calling them all kinds of names like obsessed, crazy, or vain, even though they were rarely then ones who make thread gawking over him. I think there are a lot of unfair assumptions being made about Cullen fans, even though they are one of the most respectful fan groups here on BSN despite all the hurtful things said about Cullen fans. We did have a brief discussion about the possibility of Cullen not being a companion. Many of us would be disappointed, but we wouldn't make protests signs or complaining all over the forum, at least, out of the regulars I talked to over at Cullen thread. Most of the Cullen fans hope that he would be one of the companions despite knowing that he may not be. 

Pretty much this. I may not go to the Cullen thread often and I do it is pure lurking.  :bandit:But I think this thread is created more out of a person hating Cullen and raging everytime his thread is bumped cause I do not see Cullen fans all over the board posting stuff about Cullen. They overall tend to be respectful and stay within their Cullen thread yet the haters will rage anyway simply because he is a "Bad" Templar.

[Battlebloodmage]

PhantomGinger wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...




You know you want to.  

For science. 

I have no words.

I don't know whether to giggle-snort or run away screaming then have my ADD drag me back and go "ooohhh shiny". 

Why choose?

[Commander Kurt]

Examurai1 wrote...

I see, I guess that's one information I missed. It's good to know at least you guys might expect the worse. It's just the expectation of him being a companion seems extremely high, especially from the Cullen fans, and then when you find out he isn't one, it will just spew more unnessecary Bioware hate. Usually the reason why I like to keep my expectations low.

Oh and don't worry about me insulting any of Cullen's fans, doesn't bother me. I just generally stay away from any romance fanbases in general, it gets pretty bad. I mean look what happened to the ME3 romance section of the forums lol

I'm not sure, but I seem to remember that he was a companion in the leaked survey as well..?

[brushyourteeth]

Hazegurl wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...
No one knows if he's a companion in DA3 or not. We only know that his voice actor, Greg Ellis, tweeted about reprising his role as Edward Cullen. Most of the time, Cullen fans stay in the Cullen thread in DA2 board. Threads were often than not started by people disliking Cullen and his fans, calling them all kinds of names like obsessed, crazy, or vain, even though they were rarely then ones who make thread gawking over him. I think there are a lot of unfair assumptions being made about Cullen fans, even though they are one of the most respectful fan groups here on BSN despite all the hurtful things said about Cullen fans. We did have a brief discussion about the possibility of Cullen not being a companion. Many of us would be disappointed, but we wouldn't make protests signs or complaining all over the forum, at least, out of the regulars I talked to over at Cullen thread. Most of the Cullen fans hope that he would be one of the companions despite knowing that he may not be. 

Pretty much this. I may not go to the Cullen thread often and I do it is pure lurking.  :bandit:But I think this thread is created more out of a person hating Cullen and raging everytime his thread is bumped cause I do not see Cullen fans all over the board posting stuff about Cullen. They overall tend to be respectful and stay within their Cullen thread yet the haters will rage anyway simply because he is a "Bad" Templar.

You should un-lurk sometime!!! 

We really do try to be respectful of the fact that most people don't care about Cullen, and he's never been central to the plot. Though some of his fans are just plain too afraid to say anything about him because flaming happens.


When it comes to threads like this and questions about why people like Cullen (or any character they don't particularly care for, really) if what you're looking for is actually to understand and not to put down, I find that the best thing to do is to ask questions, and temporarily suspend your opinions so that you can understand that other person's. Coming into this with "How can someone like Cullen he lets mages be locked up and he said this about them" only shows his fans that you already think their point of view is stupid, and that you're eager to argue and tell them that they're wrong for liking what they like (this isn't intended as a dig at the OP -- it's just something I see frequently). It doesn't sound like interest -- it sounds like an opportunity to preach. Some people want to understand, and some people just want to rant. There's how I tell the difference.

I've never liked Fenris or Merrill much, but if I wanted to understand where my BSN friends who love them are coming from, I wouldn't go into it saying "I don't get it he's so whiny and I wish he'd grow a backbone" or "She's a naïve blood mage who always makes excuses and people are going to die because she's stupid how can you like her" (I'd also never speak with zero punctuation like that, but it's a dumb thing to say so I'm going to let it look dumb in print). I'd ask questions, and I'd listen. And then I might say, "well what about when he/she said this? How do you feel about that?" and then I'd listen.

My advice is about as perfect as I am (we won't put a number on it but it's much less than 100%) but there it is.

Modifié par brushyourteeth, 16 mai 2013 - 07:26 .

[The Elder King]

I wouldn't mind Cullen as a companion. His view on magic and mages are certainly extremist (even though I believe it's completely logical for him to feel that way, considering what he suffered), though I believe he doesn't enjoy killing or torturing mages. He wouldn't rape or torture mages just for his fulfillment, I believe.
While I don't agree with his view, I don't have problems with having a companion withi ideals in the game. I mean, we already got Fenris, which stance is more or less the same as Cullen. Plus, we got a companion who (because of his faith) believe that mages should be caged, a companion who killed for work, one who seduced and killed for work, one who doesn't care much about humanity (and if I remember well, she disapproved if you freed the girl from the demon in Shale's recruitment), we got a companion who, despite claiming that the Circle is slavery and Tranquility an atrocity, agreed with selling a former slave to his Tevinter master with his memory wiped out (which isn't that different from what templars and qunari do). So I'll guess we got a fair share of companions with questionable opinions and ideals.

[Fredward]

I don't really get it either. I mean whatever floats your boat but for me he'd be a little too Fenris-y. And I could never finish a Fenris romance. Specially not as a mage.

[esper]

PhantomGinger wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

esper: See, that's where I feel the writing falls flat. Let's look at it from a pro-mage game to save confusion:

Meredith already said that anyone who supports the mages dies etc, Cullen would have (in theory) heard that, yet when Meredith threatens to kill Hawke he seems genuinely surprised that she was lying to him and actually intended to kill Hawke rather than just arrest him/her.

To me that seems like a script/dialogue inconsistency because he would've heard Meredith originally say that she intended to kill all the mages and their supporters.

I agree, the writing does fall a bit flat concerning a pro-mage Hawke. Cullen does support arresting Hawke, but killing her? I think he may have seen this as an overextension of a templar's duty? I'd wonder if the writing went further and Hawke was a mage, would Cullen support killing her as well, or defending her?

Sorry for the late answer, but I really had to go to bed.

First off we can't really see it only from the pro-mage perspective, because the pro-templar is actually worse since Cullen apperently already have agreed to let Meridith arrest a supporter. There is really no excuse to that.

Any I don't see it as wrong writing necessarily. But I see Cullen's character differently. I see Cullen as someone who is pretty good at surving. At the cost of others if need be. In fact in retro-perspective you have to question why he was the only Templar in that cage in da:o.

As far as I see it Cullen broke doing the circle in Ferelden. He doesn't go against Meridith because she has higher authority than him and does something part of him (due to trauma) wants to do to (even if he knows she is going too far). That is cracking pretty hard down on the mages. However, if when she turns her sword on any Hawke it is pretty clear that she is losing her sanity, signs which Cullen properly regonize (again his past experience) and so he simply mutters a vague excuse and shift side as fast as he can.

Is the only logical reason for all scenerios for Cullen to side against Meridith. Namely: He does it to get out alive. I could maybe forgive him for it, if he just didn't tried to pass it off as if he shift side because Meridith wants to kill Hawke.

Modifié par esper, 16 mai 2013 - 10:43 .

[esper]

legbamel wrote...

esper wrote...
[enormous snip of shortening]
That's is why I am leaning towards willfull neglance. I think Cullen simpy wanted the order to work the way it was drilled into him it should work and he purposely closed his eye for the portions of the order that worked like some grutesque nightmare prison.

In part I imagine Cullen fresh from an experience in which every horror story the Chantry ever told him came true coming to Kirkwall where his charismatic and attractive new commander accepts and promotes him because he has experienced the same horror of demons and abominations as she has.  I can picture her fostering his fear of mages and trust in the Order over a few years and convincing him time and again that the rumors are just the mages trying to stir up trouble.

There are plenty of instances where Cullen has proof of blood magic use or at least a strong reason to suspect it but Hawke can talk him into showing mercy.  Over time he starts to doubt, one presumes because the sheer weight of those rumors makes it impossible to dismiss them all.  On top of that Meredith starts to slide into paranoia and froot-loop-itude.  All Cullen wants is to be safe and to do the right thing, and what he's been brainwashed into believing is the right thing is really starting to smell.  His illusions are dying hard but you can see some evidence that they are, indeed, being stripped away from him.

Now, not only is there scant evidence of that in the game outside of interpretation and the fact that Meredith is a manipulative, power hungry woman who never should have been placed in her position but I've mixed in so many metaphors that I've lost count.  What I was trying to say is that Cullen has an interesting backstory that almost all happens off-screen.  I'd like to hear more of what happened to him, both in Ferelden and at The Gallows.

I don't give him a pass for turning a blind eye to what was happening around him, but I do empathize that he might have more reason to do so than your average Templar and certainly more reason to go medieval on a mage or two than the ones who actually do.

While that is true a man such as him should never have had that position. (Just as Meridith with her sister story, should never ever had been named Knight Commander. What was Elthina or her pressoccor thinking?)

And you argument pretty much only strengthen my case. Even if he wants to willfully close his eyes for the problems, Hawke pretty much goes. *There are issues* straight in his face. He has to take a stance and thus take the stance of the person nearest him.

I shall be honest I don't want Cullen as a companion. (I simply think his character is too fleshed out already) But I wouldn't mind him having as another important role in da:I. Either amongst the rouge templars or perhaps amongs the templars who stayed with the chantry. (Some must have).

[neonmoth]

Dave of Canada wrote...

He's a minor character who--possibly unintentionally--represents the mage and templar conflict at it's finest, a good window into the universe where we can be presented to his struggle, helping him mold his opinions on either side. While Fenris was nice to represent the anti-mage approach, we've yet to truly have a Templar companion.

^^This pretty much sums up why I wouldn't mind seeing more of him. The fact that he is far from being perfect  just adds extra flavour to his character.

KiwiQuiche wrote...

His fascination with the female mage origin was creepy; he's basically a
prison guard and she's a prisoner.

I thought it was quite fitting considering how tight community it was. I believe such fascination might happen anywher and prisoner/guard scenario is not an exeption (I would consider it very likely). What is more, templar's involvement in the Harrowing could add extra level of emotion into mages/templars dynamics. I liked that it added interesting drama, since you could play your mage as it felt fitting and this little subplot could help you shape your Warden's attitudes.

[legbamel]

I always got the impression that Cullen was very devout. While he was scared witless of mages he's likely just as disillusioned with the Templars after what happened in Kirkwall where everyone got to show their worst possible sides. I can see him heading for the Chantry and the Divine because they're the only ones who haven't tried to kill him, yet.

Really, the poor man gets trapped in a ****storm everywhere he goes. Maybe he'll jusr throw up his hands and go see if he can't recover some land around Lothering to farm. If he's in DA:I he's going to be right in the thick of a bad situation again no matter what side he chooses.

[Volus Warlord]

Low Hangin' Fruit!