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[LolaLei]

His DA:O endings were retconned.

[brushyourteeth]

Gamer Ftw wrote...

I never understood how anyone who played a female in origins could like Cullen.
His mage crush is just sooo creepy.
Very glad I only play males.
I watched one of my friends play it and by the end everyone who was there was calling him creepy Cullen.
I mean he is a Templar who has to watch you at all time with his creepy eyes,while you bath or sleep.
Shudder.
And in one ending he slaughters apprentices,What do you think he would have done if he got a crush on another mage during the insane mage hate phase?
Probably violated and killed her.
And in DA2 he was still there even though he murdered mages.
Depending on your playthrough.
But he is obviously unstable,I think he always was.

I think it would have been creepy if he had acted on it. Definitely creepy if he had used his position to get closer to her. Instead, that time before you meet Duncan in the Tower is probably one of the first times you ever speak to him, and if you make a move on him he literally runs away. The way I see it, his crush on the mage shows that he's actually not a mage-hater -- her magic didn't make her abhorrent to him, but he kept away because he was shy and the rules demanded no fraternization. It would have been an unhealthy relationship with him having so much control over her, but there wasn't a relationship. Wynne, however...

Like LL said, that ending was retconned -- but you're right, it's completely not ok to treat mages that way. Jumping from "that's weird" to "rapist" based on just a couple lines of retconned epilogue seems a little extreme and unfair. Not saying isn't possible, but that's a very extreme headcanon -- especially considering that he can't even talk about the girls at the Blooming Rose without stuttering nervously, and that's years after the fact.

Modifié par brushyourteeth, 16 mai 2013 - 09:36 .

[Gamer Ftw]

brushyourteeth wrote...

Gamer Ftw wrote...

I never understood how anyone who played a female in origins could like Cullen.
His mage crush is just sooo creepy.
Very glad I only play males.
I watched one of my friends play it and by the end everyone who was there was calling him creepy Cullen.
I mean he is a Templar who has to watch you at all time with his creepy eyes,while you bath or sleep.
Shudder.
And in one ending he slaughters apprentices,What do you think he would have done if he got a crush on another mage during the insane mage hate phase?
Probably violated and killed her.
And in DA2 he was still there even though he murdered mages.
Depending on your playthrough.
But he is obviously unstable,I think he always was.

I think it would have been creepy if he had acted on it. Definitely creepy if he had used his position to get closer to her. Instead, that time before you meet Duncan in the Tower is probably one of the first times you ever speak to him, and if you make a move on him he literally runs away. The way I see it, his crush on the mage shows that he's actually not a mage-hater -- her magic didn't make her abhorrent to him, but he kept away because he was shy and the rules demanded no fraternization. It would have been an unhealthy relationship with him having so much control over her, but there wasn't a relationship. Wynne, however...


Like LL said, that ending was retconned -- but you're right, it's completely not ok to treat mages that way. Jumping from "that's weird" to "rapist" based on just a couple lines of retconned epilogue seems a little extreme and unfair. Not saying isn't possible, but that's a very extreme headcanon -- especially considering that he can't even talk about the girls at the Blooming Rose without stuttering nervously, and that's years after the fact.

But I think if the warden Mage hadn't gotten recruited or had that stuff happen with Jowan, Cullen would have done something about it.
You can get over shyness.
And if she said no I doubt he would leave it alone.
In my opinion he was not in love he was obsessed.

Modifié par Gamer Ftw, 16 mai 2013 - 09:43 .

[esper]

While I definitly think his reactions to fem-mage was bordline creepy... He actually didn't do anything to her.

Ironically since the da:o endings are rumours and hersay, perhaps that is the rumours about him slaugthering mages comes from his actions in da2. I mean participating in a questionable act such as Meridith's annulment is bound to get nasty rumours attached to your name.

[FINE HERE]

Gamer Ftw wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

Gamer Ftw wrote...

I never understood how anyone who played a female in origins could like Cullen.
His mage crush is just sooo creepy.
Very glad I only play males.
I watched one of my friends play it and by the end everyone who was there was calling him creepy Cullen.
I mean he is a Templar who has to watch you at all time with his creepy eyes,while you bath or sleep.
Shudder.
And in one ending he slaughters apprentices,What do you think he would have done if he got a crush on another mage during the insane mage hate phase?
Probably violated and killed her.
And in DA2 he was still there even though he murdered mages.
Depending on your playthrough.
But he is obviously unstable,I think he always was.

I think it would have been creepy if he had acted on it. Definitely creepy if he had used his position to get closer to her. Instead, that time before you meet Duncan in the Tower is probably one of the first times you ever speak to him, and if you make a move on him he literally runs away. The way I see it, his crush on the mage shows that he's actually not a mage-hater -- her magic didn't make her abhorrent to him, but he kept away because he was shy and the rules demanded no fraternization. It would have been an unhealthy relationship with him having so much control over her, but there wasn't a relationship. Wynne, however...


Like LL said, that ending was retconned -- but you're right, it's completely not ok to treat mages that way. Jumping from "that's weird" to "rapist" based on just a couple lines of retconned epilogue seems a little extreme and unfair. Not saying isn't possible, but that's a very extreme headcanon -- especially considering that he can't even talk about the girls at the Blooming Rose without stuttering nervously, and that's years after the fact.

But I think if the warden Mage hadn't gotten recruited or had that stuff happen with Jowan, Cullen would have done something about it.
You can get over shyness.
And if she said no I doubt he would leave it alone.
In my opinion he was not in love he was obsessed.

I'm gonna have to jump in here and disagree. If he could give into temptation so easily, he would have just fallen for the demons' illusions of the Mage warden before the warden could even reach him. He seems like he is a very pure character, and sticks firmly to that trait.

[Gamer Ftw]

Yes,he's a very pure mage murderer,that gets obsessive crushes on female mages even if they never actually speak to him.

[FINE HERE]

Gamer Ftw wrote...

Yes,he's a very pure mage murderer,that gets obsessive crushes on female mages even if they never actually speak to him.

As opposed to the warden and Hawke who also killed plenty of people? And the mages in the circle that the templars usually kill are the ones possessed by demons, not innocent mages. Maybe in DA2 there were way more innocents being dragged in, but did you see how many demons and blood mages were around? Maybe they weren't so innocent.
And I know plenty of people who just can't utter a word in front of the person they like, it's pretty normal for shy people.

[Gamer Ftw]

FINE HERE wrote...

Gamer Ftw wrote...

Yes,he's a very pure mage murderer,that gets obsessive crushes on female mages even if they never actually speak to him.

As opposed to the warden and Hawke who also killed plenty of people? And the mages in the circle that the templars usually kill are the ones possessed by demons, not innocent mages. Maybe in DA2 there were way more innocents being dragged in, but did you see how many demons and blood mages were around? Maybe they weren't so innocent.
And I know plenty of people who just can't utter a word in front of the person they like, it's pretty normal for shy people.

Point,missing it.
Shy guys can be obsessive abusers if they feel inadequate,happens all the time.
RAWR! I will make her love me.
Cullen killed those apprentices,that happened,even if they decided to change it afterwards.
And did they ever say in da2 that he hadn't?
I assumed that is why they transferred him.
Also,do you think Cullen just managed to not notice and the mages being raped and abused in da2?
Or maybe he was helping?
If he wasn't it's pretty wierd he didn't notice.
After all he thinks mages aren't people right?

Modifié par Gamer Ftw, 16 mai 2013 - 10:22 .

[Dave of Canada]

Gamer Ftw wrote...

Point,missing it.
Shy guys can be obsessive abusers if they feel inadequate,happens all the time.
RAWR! I will make her love me.
Cullen killed those apprentices,that happened,even if they decided to change it afterwards.
And did they ever say in da2 that he hadn't?
I assumed that is why they transferred him.

Woah man, you make leaps of logic an olympic sport.

[FINE HERE]

Gamer Ftw wrote...

FINE HERE wrote...

Gamer Ftw wrote...

Yes,he's a very pure mage murderer,that gets obsessive crushes on female mages even if they never actually speak to him.

As opposed to the warden and Hawke who also killed plenty of people? And the mages in the circle that the templars usually kill are the ones possessed by demons, not innocent mages. Maybe in DA2 there were way more innocents being dragged in, but did you see how many demons and blood mages were around? Maybe they weren't so innocent.
And I know plenty of people who just can't utter a word in front of the person they like, it's pretty normal for shy people.

Point,missing it.
Shy guys can be obsessive abusers if they feel inadequate,happens all the time.
RAWR! I will make her love me.
Cullen killed those apprentices,that happened,even if they decided to change it afterwards.
And did they ever say in da2 that he hadn't?
I assumed that is why they transferred him.

Oh, right. I forgot in certain playthroughs you can wipe out the circle... Well, whatever. He went through a tramatic event, of course he'll want to make himself free safe by killing what he thinks is dangerous. I'm not saying it's right to do that, but I can understand how he could be driven to that point. Hell, the mages sell themselves to demons for protection. Neither side is perfect. I just don't think he's obsessive/possessive/power hungry like you're saying. I just don't see it.

[Hazegurl]

I don't find anything wrong with Cullen's crush on the female mage warden. He has to watch her and many other mages cause its a part of his job. He's not a stalker following her down the street and touching himself. People have crushes all the time.

And also, I've played two female mage wardens and I would have no problems if Cullen decided to....ahem...abuse his power.

Modifié par Hazegurl, 16 mai 2013 - 10:51 .

[Gamer Ftw]

Hazegurl wrote...

I don't find anything wrong with Cullen's crush on the female mage warden. He has to watch her and many other mages cause its a part of his job. He's not a stalker following her down the street and touching himself. People have crushes all the time.

And also, I've played two female mage wardens and I would have no problems if Cullen decided to....ahem...abuse his power.

That may be but not every mage warden feels that way.
And I see no proof he doesn't follow her and touch himself.

[LolaLei]

Gamer Ftw wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

I don't find anything wrong with Cullen's crush on the female mage warden. He has to watch her and many other mages cause its a part of his job. He's not a stalker following her down the street and touching himself. People have crushes all the time.

And also, I've played two female mage wardens and I would have no problems if Cullen decided to....ahem...abuse his power.

That may be but not every mage warden feels that way.
And I see no proof he doesn't follow her and touch himself.

And I see no proof that you aren't getting off on the idea that he touches himself. It works both ways.

David Gaider has been quoted numerous times, in several interviews as saying Cullen was one of the "good guys" and a "sweet guy", "good/sweet" people don't run around raping others, so I think we can safely assume that, no, he's not the type of man to violate another person.

Modifié par LolaLei, 16 mai 2013 - 11:09 .

[JWvonGoethe]

To be honest, I probably wouldn't have remembered who Cullen was if it wasn't for these forums.

That a thread about him is able to reach 12 pages in a single day something I don't completely understand.

EDIT - Oh dear, I just found this. 1779 pages. I don't quite know how to react.

Modifié par JWvonGoethe, 16 mai 2013 - 11:24 .

[Volus Warlord]

LolaLei wrote...

And I see no proof that you aren't getting off on the idea that he touches himself. It works both ways.

David Gaider has been quoted numerous times, in several interviews as saying Cullen was one of the "good guys" and a "sweet guy", "good/sweet" people don't run around raping others, so I think we can safely assume that, no, he's not the type of man to violate another person.

Actually, it does mean he touches himself because he exists to be friendzoned!

[LolaLei]

JWvonGoethe wrote...

To be honest, I probably wouldn't have remembered who Cullen was if it wasn't for these forums.

That a thread about him is able to reach 12 pages in a single day something I don't completely understand.

EDIT - Oh dear, I just found this. 1779 pages. I don't quite know how to react.

Does it matter? Be thankful we stick to that thread rather than making 100+ separate threads in the DA3 forum. 

[LolaLei]

Volus Warlord wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

And I see no proof that you aren't getting off on the idea that he touches himself. It works both ways.

David Gaider has been quoted numerous times, in several interviews as saying Cullen was one of the "good guys" and a "sweet guy", "good/sweet" people don't run around raping others, so I think we can safely assume that, no, he's not the type of man to violate another person.

Actually, it does mean he touches himself because he exists to be friendzoned!

Who? The BSN user I replied to? Because that's who I was talking about.

[Gamer Ftw]

Just because Gaider thinks Cullen is sweet,doesn't mean he is.
Thats his opinion.
Sweet people don't kill apprentices.
And LolaLei no I don't get off on stalkers touching themselves to girls they have the power to kill.

Modifié par Gamer Ftw, 16 mai 2013 - 11:37 .

[LolaLei]

Gamer Ftw wrote...

Just because Gaider thinks Cullen is sweet,doesn't mean he is.
Thats his opinion.
Sweet people don't kill apprentices.

... Are you for real? David Gaider is the lead writer. What he says goes when it comes to the characters personalities/storylines/romance arcs/etc. So, no, it's not just "his opinion".

[FINE HERE]

Gamer Ftw wrote...

Just because Gaider thinks Cullen is sweet,doesn't mean he is.
Thats his opinion.
Sweet people don't kill apprentices.
And no I don't get off on stalkers touching themselves.

The writer doesn't know his own character but YOU DO? Are you serious?

[JWvonGoethe]

LolaLei wrote...

Does it matter? Be thankful we stick to that thread rather than making 100+ separate threads in the DA3 forum. 

Yeah I'm just reading through some of the developer posts on that thread and some it is quite interesting.

Anyway, I wouldn't go onto a Cullen appreciation thread and start saying I don't like him or that people are too obsessed (I don't actually think either of these things), but this thread is specifically about people who don't understand all the appreciation for Cullen. Which includes me, so I thought I'd post.

I'm not looking down on anyone who likes him, just saying I don't personally understand it. I don't dislike him as a character, though, and maybe I'll pay more attention to him on my next playthrough.

[Gamer Ftw]

No,they don't get to tell me how to feel about a character.
"what they say goes" doesn't apply to opinions.
I can think for myself.
Murderers aren't sweet,thats is just a fact.
In fact, I fail to find a single thing in either Origins or Da2 that makes Cullen sweet.
When did "because a DEV feels that way way about a character,I have to feel exactly the same way" become a thing?

Modifié par Gamer Ftw, 16 mai 2013 - 11:47 .

[LolaLei]

JWvonGoethe wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Does it matter? Be thankful we stick to that thread rather than making 100+ separate threads in the DA3 forum. 

Yeah I'm just reading through some of the developer posts on that thread and some it is quite interesting.

Anyway, I wouldn't go onto a Cullen appreciation thread and start saying I don't like him or that people are too obsessed (I don't actually think either of these things), but this thread is specifically about people who don't understand all the appreciation for Cullen. Which includes me, so I thought I'd post.

I'm not looking down on anyone who likes him, just saying I don't personally understand it. I don't dislike him as a character, though, and maybe I'll pay more attention to him on my next playthrough.

I apologise for misunderstanding then. To be fair, most of the time we're talking about pretty much everything in that thread lol.

[LolaLei]

Gamer Ftw wrote...

No,they don't get to tell me how to feel about a character.
"what they say goes" doesn't apply to opinions.
I can think for myself.
Murderers aren't sweet,thats is just a fact.

Of course, and that's fine. However, the character isn't a rapist like you claim. Murderer? Sure. Rapist? No, definitely not. The writers wouldn't describe him as a good man if he was rounding around raping people.

[Gamer Ftw]

LolaLei wrote...

Gamer Ftw wrote...

No,they don't get to tell me how to feel about a character.
"what they say goes" doesn't apply to opinions.
I can think for myself.
Murderers aren't sweet,thats is just a fact.

Of course, and that's fine. However, the character isn't a rapist like you claim. Murderer? Sure. Rapist? No, definitely not. The writers wouldn't describe him as a good man if he was rounding around raping people.

So a murderer is a good man but a rapist isn't....<_<
Disturbing.
But even if he wasn't raping in DA2,it seems odd he never noticed it was happening.

Modifié par Gamer Ftw, 16 mai 2013 - 11:51 .