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[JWvonGoethe]

LolaLei wrote...

I apologise for misunderstanding then. To be fair, most of the time we're talking about pretty much everything in that thread lol.

No problem. I'm kind of hoping now that you make it to 2000 pages before the DA3 Cullen thread comes out!

[LolaLei]

Gamer Ftw wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Gamer Ftw wrote...

No,they don't get to tell me how to feel about a character.
"what they say goes" doesn't apply to opinions.
I can think for myself.
Murderers aren't sweet,thats is just a fact.

Of course, and that's fine. However, the character isn't a rapist like you claim. Murderer? Sure. Rapist? No, definitely not. The writers wouldn't describe him as a good man if he was rounding around raping people.

So a murderer is a good man but a rapist isn't....<_<
Disturbing.

Was Hawke a murderer? Yes, he/she killed people. Was the Warden a murderer? Yes, he/she also killed people. Have all of the companions in both DA:O and DA2 killed people? Yep! Does that mean that they too are ultimately bad? ... Absolutely not.

Your argument is flawed.

[LolaLei]

JWvonGoethe wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I apologise for misunderstanding then. To be fair, most of the time we're talking about pretty much everything in that thread lol.

No problem. I'm kind of hoping now that you make it to 2000 pages before the DA3 Cullen thread comes out!

We're working on it, lol. Feel free to drop by and say hi. I promise we're not all as punchy as I am today! 

[Gamer Ftw]

STRAWMAN!!!!
We aren't talking about my Hawke or my warden.
Neither of those flipped out and slaughtered apprentices for no reason so you fail at deflecting the discussion.

Modifié par Gamer Ftw, 16 mai 2013 - 11:59 .

[Jean]

wat

His DAO epilogue slides are moot. It's already been mentioned that they do not happen.

Modifié par Batteries, 17 mai 2013 - 12:03 .

[LolaLei]

Gamer Ftw wrote...

STRAWMAN!!!!
We aren't talking about my Hawke or the warden.
Neither of those flipped out and slaughtered apprentices for no reason so you fail at deflecting the discussion.

Urgh. <_<

I don't care if we're talking about the Queen Mother, dear. The fact is you said that a murderer isn't a good person and I gave you a list of examples of characters (like Hawke and the Warden) that killed people, which does, infact, make them murderers regardless of whether or not their intentions are good. And FYI, SOME Hawkes and Wardens do flip out and kill people for no reason, it depends on how you play the game.

In regards to Cullen, for the one millionth time, his epilogues were retconned. IF he did kill any of the apprentices, it wasn't because he was mustache twirling "evil", it was because the guy had been tortured for weeks and was suffering mentally. HOWEVER, there is NO PROOF of whether or not he really did kill those apprentices because THE EPILOGUES WERE RETCONNED.

That being said, if in DA3 they decide to make him some crazed rapey loon then so be it. BUT until then, you have no proof or evidence to say that he raped anyone or killed those apprentices. 

[Gamer Ftw]

If the Warden sided with Cullen, or was a mage who did not grant the Circle Tower autonomy, then the rumors say that Cullen will eventually become Knight-Commander of the Circle Tower after Greagoir retires, watching over the magi with a much more strict and cruel regime than even Greagoir had. If the Warden was a mage and did not side with Cullen, and gives the tower autonomy, the templar endures festering mental scars from his experience in the tower. This leads to an eventual mental breakdown during which he kills three mage apprentices before fleeing.
So all of these are just lies or rumors?
cause they all make him a crazy jerk.
You can't just say none of the things that happened in origins is true.
Not sure what the Queen has to do with it so I'm ignoring that {very petty there]
But even without the epilogues he says mages aren't people therefore jerkwad.

Modifié par Gamer Ftw, 17 mai 2013 - 12:11 .

[LolaLei]

Gamer Ftw wrote...

If the Warden sided with Cullen, or was a mage who did not grant the Circle Tower autonomy, then the rumors say that Cullen will eventually become Knight-Commander of the Circle Tower after Greagoir retires, watching over the magi with a much more strict and cruel regime than even Greagoir had. If the Warden was a mage and did not side with Cullen, and gives the tower autonomy, the templar endures festering mental scars from his experience in the tower. This leads to an eventual mental breakdown during which he kills three mage apprentices before fleeing.

So all of these are just lies or rumors?

CORRECT. David Gaider said that Cullen's epilogue sliders were just rumours and hearsay. In the Witch Hunt dlc the mages in the Tower specifically tell you that Cullen was sent to Greenfell to recover. In DA2 Cullen is the Knight Captain of the Kirkwall Gallows, so how could he possibly be the bloody Knight Commander of Ferelden. 

Seriously, I need to step back before I put my fist through my monitor.

Modifié par LolaLei, 17 mai 2013 - 12:10 .

[LolaLei]

Gamer Ftw wrote...

You can't just say none of the things that happened in origins is true.
.

When it comes to Cullen's epilogue sliders in DA:O, David Gaider can and did. If you don't like it, take it up with him.

The End.

[Gamer Ftw]

 
You do realise Cullen isn't real right?
If you break things because someone disagrees with you over a fictional character,thats on you.
But it makes no sense they say everything didn't happen.
That is a huge cop out.
Regardless,in da2 he says mages aren't people,ignores or doesn't notice mages getting abused,so yeah still not a nice guy.
Give me ONE example of him doing something sweet or nice.

Modifié par Gamer Ftw, 17 mai 2013 - 12:21 .

[Hazegurl]

Gamer Ftw wrote...


You do realise Cullen isn't real right?

Say this again while looking into a mirror. lol!!

[LolaLei]

Gamer Ftw wrote...

 
You do realise Cullen isn't real right?
If you break things because someone disagrees with you over a fictional character,thats on you.
But it makes no sense they say everything didn't happen.
That is a huge cop out.
Regardless,in da2 he says mages aren't people,ignores or doesn't notice mages getting abused,so yeah still not a nice guy.

Omg really?! Wow... how will I ever go on! <_<

I feel like I want to "break things" because talking to you is like bashing my head against a brick wall. I'm not saying the Cullen as a character is blameless, my point was that your claims regarding the rape and apprentice killing thing was incorrect and I'm irritated because you're completely disregarding what the devs/writers have already clarified. 

Regardless of whether or not it makes sense that his DA:O epilogue sliders were retconned is a moot point. They no longer count and that's all there is to it.

Modifié par LolaLei, 17 mai 2013 - 12:29 .

[Gamer Ftw]

Hazegurl wrote...

Gamer Ftw wrote...


You do realise Cullen isn't real right?

Say this again while looking into a mirror. lol!!

I wouldn't destroy my own property in a rage over a game debate.

[thats1evildude]

Gamer Ftw wrote...

Give me ONE example of him doing something sweet or nice.

He immediately drops the investigation against Aveline on Hawke's word and tells her who instigated it.

He shows mercy whenever Hawke recommends it, even when it comes to a blood mage like Alain.

He sides with Hawke against Meredith despite the fact that she's wielding near-godlike power.

None of these things benefit him.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 17 mai 2013 - 12:31 .

[Dave of Canada]

Gamer Ftw wrote...
Regardless,in da2 he says mages aren't people

Ignores context.

,ignores or doesn't notice mages getting abused,so yeah still not a nice guy.

He's uncomfortable about it.

Give me ONE example of him doing something sweet or nice.

Helps Hawke.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 17 mai 2013 - 12:27 .

[Gamer Ftw]

LolaLei wrote...

Gamer Ftw wrote...

 
You do realise Cullen isn't real right?
If you break things because someone disagrees with you over a fictional character,thats on you.
But it makes no sense they say everything didn't happen.
That is a huge cop out.
Regardless,in da2 he says mages aren't people,ignores or doesn't notice mages getting abused,so yeah still not a nice guy.

Omg really?! Wow... how will I ever go on! <_<

I feel like I want to "break things" because talking to you is like bashing my head against a brick wall. I'm not saying the Cullen as a character is blameless, my point was that your claims regarding the rape and apprentice killing thing was incorrect and I'm irritated because you're completely disregarding what the devs/writers have already clarified. 

Regardless of whether or not it makes sense that his DA:O epilogue sliders were retconned is a moot pointed. They no longer count and that's all there is to it.

Fair enough.
But the point stands he never does anything sweet or nice.
He is very clearly a bigoted basketcase in Da2.
Helping Hawke is for his own benefit.
Him being uncomfortable with mage abuse and not trying to stop it makes him a coward too.

Modifié par Gamer Ftw, 17 mai 2013 - 12:30 .

[LolaLei]

Gamer Ftw wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

Gamer Ftw wrote...


You do realise Cullen isn't real right?

Say this again while looking into a mirror. lol!!

I wouldn't destroy my own property in a rage over a game debate.

It was a figure of speech. Gawd.

[FINE HERE]

Gamer Ftw wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Gamer Ftw wrote...

 
You do realise Cullen isn't real right?
If you break things because someone disagrees with you over a fictional character,thats on you.
But it makes no sense they say everything didn't happen.
That is a huge cop out.
Regardless,in da2 he says mages aren't people,ignores or doesn't notice mages getting abused,so yeah still not a nice guy.

Omg really?! Wow... how will I ever go on! <_<

I feel like I want to "break things" because talking to you is like bashing my head against a brick wall. I'm not saying the Cullen as a character is blameless, my point was that your claims regarding the rape and apprentice killing thing was incorrect and I'm irritated because you're completely disregarding what the devs/writers have already clarified. 

Regardless of whether or not it makes sense that his DA:O epilogue sliders were retconned is a moot pointed. They no longer count and that's all there is to it.

Fair enough.
But the point stands he never does anything sweet or nice.
He is very clearly a bigoted basketcase in Da2.
Helping Hawke is for his own benefit.

The two posts above yours beg to differ.

[Dave of Canada]

Gamer Ftw wrote...
He is very clearly a bigoted basketcase in Da2.

About as much as anyone else.

Helping Hawke is for his own benefit.

How does he benefit?

[meanieweenie]

Gamer Ftw wrote...

 
You do realise Cullen isn't real right?
If you break things because someone disagrees with you over a fictional character,thats on you.
But it makes no sense they say everything didn't happen.
That is a huge cop out.
Regardless,in da2 he says mages aren't people,ignores or doesn't notice mages getting abused,so yeah still not a nice guy.
Give me ONE example of him doing something sweet or nice.

Perhaps it's time to take a step back and breathe a bit. The sliders were retconned. Do you maybe not understand what that means? It's ok to be mistaken, you know. No one will fault you if you just say "my bad" and move on. To spend time arguing may not be your best use of time. I think the writers would have final say over their own characters. If they want to pull back or retcon to make something hearsay then it's their call.

[Gamer Ftw]

ROTFL,I know what RETCONNED means.
It's a huge you don't matter gamer.
But we moved on to da2 example please do try to keep up.
He benefits by having Hawke clear up matters he can't.

Modifié par Gamer Ftw, 17 mai 2013 - 12:33 .

[LolaLei]

Gamer Ftw wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Gamer Ftw wrote...

 
You do realise Cullen isn't real right?
If you break things because someone disagrees with you over a fictional character,thats on you.
But it makes no sense they say everything didn't happen.
That is a huge cop out.
Regardless,in da2 he says mages aren't people,ignores or doesn't notice mages getting abused,so yeah still not a nice guy.

Omg really?! Wow... how will I ever go on! <_<

I feel like I want to "break things" because talking to you is like bashing my head against a brick wall. I'm not saying the Cullen as a character is blameless, my point was that your claims regarding the rape and apprentice killing thing was incorrect and I'm irritated because you're completely disregarding what the devs/writers have already clarified. 

Regardless of whether or not it makes sense that his DA:O epilogue sliders were retconned is a moot pointed. They no longer count and that's all there is to it.

Fair enough.
But the point stands he never does anything sweet or nice.
He is very clearly a bigoted basketcase in Da2.
Helping Hawke is for his own benefit.

Well try telling David Gaider that, because he was the one who described Cullen as "nice/sweet". Besides you can't blame the guy for being messed up, he was tortured by blood mages for weeks/months.

[R2s Muse]

Whoa whoa whoa. I think it's time for everyone to step away from the thread. Gamer FTW, you're free to hate Cullen and interpret the game as you like. Assume the writers are wrong about their own character, and continue hating his rapey ways. Go for it. Rapists are bad. That's a good opinion.

Others are also free to believe the writers that he's one of the good ones. I don't think anyone's convincing anyone here, and making a catalog of all the good things he's done is just busywork in a pointless argument.

Let's all take a deep breath.

[ArcaneJTM]

I don't know that I'd call him helping Hawke "sweet or nice". It struck me more as him choosing to do the right thing.

Sweet or nice would be him buying everybody cake. Pretty sure he didn't actually do that.

[thats1evildude]

Gamer Ftw wrote...

He benefits by having Hawke clear up matters he can't.

That doesn't make any sense. He doesn't benefit by showing mercy to Keran or Alain; it would be easier and safer to kick Keran out of the templars or to execute Alain.

He doesn't benefit by dropping the investigation against Aveline; it would be a lot better for the templars to get rid of her and to put in a captain who could be more easily controlled by the Order.

He doesn't benefit by fighting Meredith because that puts his life in danger.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 17 mai 2013 - 12:37 .