but what proof is there that there even was a golden city? for a person in the chantry who has never been in the fade( most arrent mages) point the finger at a place that resembles hell and say that used to be our gods throne is about as accurate as me going to new york city, randomly pointing at a sky scraper and saying I know someone who lived there once...maybe. No one has seen the maker, no one has seen a golden city in the fade and the black city has probably always been so, maybe demons dont go there because thats where Pride demons reside, or some other powerful beast they want no part of. If anyone has an answer its the demons. SO im gonna probably side with the pitchfork throwing templar killing sadistical demon. That or the Qun which is my fave religion.
What do you think the Maker is?
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#77
Posté 17 janvier 2010 - 12:05
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To stones with your sodding Maker.
Embrace the stone and Paragons!!!
Embrace the stone and Paragons!!!
#78
Posté 17 janvier 2010 - 12:07
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o a thought just occured to me after pondering what you said a bit more. What if the darkspawn are his way of cleansing the land? Think about it this way, Say the maker might feel the current races are a mistake he might be using the darkspawn to cleanse the world to restart anew. I started thinking this after remembering an event in another game in which there is a supposed god which states that he will rez the world and create his own utopia. Basically what if our DAO maker just wants to do just that and the darkspawn are an after product of the destruction and corruption of the worldMalfurus wrote...
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I honestly believe since the Tevinter Religion was before the maker (much like the greek gods existed long before christianity) that the "Maker" was just a Tevinter Dragon God,(maybe an eigth) who decided he didnt want to share so he decided to concoct a bogus story on how he is the only god and that all others are false and was strong enough to seal the others away and people still worship others so he gets pissed makes darkspawn and tries to stop eradicate all who oppose him.(Maybe he was the Tevinter God of the Fade, since thats where darkspawn originated in the black city)
I see what you're saying but why would a "God" like him preach and appeal to the higher morals of humankind if his aim was to punish them by destroying them?. "Thou shall not kill. " etc. "Magic is not meant to rule man..." etc. (Doesn't mean lock every Mage you encounter in a tower and watch over them.) Again, its based on our interpretations or in the game's case the Chantry's interpretation. Furthermore, the Darkspawn don't care whether their target is a religious follower who dare not oppose their creator OR if they are indeed blashphemous atheists, they will rip your guts out and eat your heart no matter who you are, thus he wouldn't really be eradicating his opponents just life in general. I can see a storyline where he IS a High Dragon like you mentioned but maybe theres another reason for sending the Darkspawn. Or maybe its just like the chantry says and its punishment for continuing to worship the other Gods..who knows.
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Posté 17 janvier 2010 - 12:29
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The maker is quite obviously just a powerful and intelligent demon that once thought he should build himself a pretty home in the Fade. Once the Tevinter mages reached his city they found out about his existence and the demon wanted to eliminate them since, in his mind, they were a pestillence.
Now the means by which they were able to reach the Golden City was that they made up a special serum. After a long time of trying and failing they were finally able to craft one that allowed them to manipulate the energy in the Fade in a specific way. Sadly, this serum was some kind of poison that slowly started to devour them from inside, resulting in death.
The poor souls that were forced to bury their bodies got poisoned blood on their hands, and since they werent too caught up in the "wash my hands often" -idea, this poison got mixed with bacterias and viruses that soon evolved into a horrible disease!
The corpses nutured the earth and seeped into an underground river that sprung out in the Deep Roads, Dwarves got it, and mixed with lyrium and deepstalker poop, it evolved into a plague, and Dwarves had to start sealing off thaigs to controll it.
Eventually the mages from tevinter that had gotten trapped in the fade killed the demon, and the city lost all its splendor when the demon was not there to fuel it anymore.
Searching to return to their earthly bodies, they had to follow the cord of the poison they had used. Unfortunately they had no idea how long it had been since they usurped the Golden City as they had quite much fun in the fade. Naturally they tracked it to where it was strongest - not knowing what they had unleashed, and this was in the deep roads thaigs. Possessing the bodies of dead dwarves, they were horrified at what met them, and with no other option they started searching for a cure. Now the dwarves traded some with the surface so there was much ingrediences to plow through, and more than enough test-subjects. Now they cured the plague, but the cured dwarves were forever changed. Little did they know their cure had just created the very first darkspawn...
Oh, and Andraste were just a powerful mage.
Now the means by which they were able to reach the Golden City was that they made up a special serum. After a long time of trying and failing they were finally able to craft one that allowed them to manipulate the energy in the Fade in a specific way. Sadly, this serum was some kind of poison that slowly started to devour them from inside, resulting in death.
The poor souls that were forced to bury their bodies got poisoned blood on their hands, and since they werent too caught up in the "wash my hands often" -idea, this poison got mixed with bacterias and viruses that soon evolved into a horrible disease!
The corpses nutured the earth and seeped into an underground river that sprung out in the Deep Roads, Dwarves got it, and mixed with lyrium and deepstalker poop, it evolved into a plague, and Dwarves had to start sealing off thaigs to controll it.
Eventually the mages from tevinter that had gotten trapped in the fade killed the demon, and the city lost all its splendor when the demon was not there to fuel it anymore.
Searching to return to their earthly bodies, they had to follow the cord of the poison they had used. Unfortunately they had no idea how long it had been since they usurped the Golden City as they had quite much fun in the fade. Naturally they tracked it to where it was strongest - not knowing what they had unleashed, and this was in the deep roads thaigs. Possessing the bodies of dead dwarves, they were horrified at what met them, and with no other option they started searching for a cure. Now the dwarves traded some with the surface so there was much ingrediences to plow through, and more than enough test-subjects. Now they cured the plague, but the cured dwarves were forever changed. Little did they know their cure had just created the very first darkspawn...
Oh, and Andraste were just a powerful mage.
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Posté 17 janvier 2010 - 12:39
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Fatesgospel wrote...
Excorant wrote...
I guess the Maker doesnt even exist... Tevinter mages just invented some kind of disease or poison which affected them in the manner they mutated into "darkspawn". Other nations started making up legends about this involving a divine entity... thus the legend of Maker was born.
How do you explain the Black City then? And Fade for that matter, "Something" Created them.
Well where is proof that the Black City exists? And about Fade, it was created somehow as well as normal world, but how do we know the creation had something to do with creation of normal world? Those dwo "dimensions" could have been created separately by different principles (or creators). After the creation of those dimensions somehow someone found a way to travel between those two dimensions. There was some creator of those dimensions of course, I just say it isnt the Maker Chantry speaks about.
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Posté 17 janvier 2010 - 12:39
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What happened to the 7 old gods O' Great Story teller?!
#82
Posté 17 janvier 2010 - 12:41
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You can see the black city anytime your in the fade off in the distance.
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Posté 17 janvier 2010 - 12:42
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Fatesgospel wrote...
What happened to the 7 old gods O' Great Story teller?!
I thnk 5 of them are dead...
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Posté 17 janvier 2010 - 12:42
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Fatesgospel wrote...
What happened to the 7 old gods O' Great Story teller?!
They died. The archdemons are just shape-changed tevinter mages corrupted by their own cure
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Posté 17 janvier 2010 - 12:53
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Fatesgospel wrote...
You can see the black city anytime your in the fade off in the distance.
You dont know what it is nor what is in there. Just that Chantry makes you believe that its a "Black city" of their legends doesnt make it real.
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Posté 17 janvier 2010 - 12:55
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If the Maker is all-powerful why then can't he erase the stain of the Golden City? And why can he be swayed by a formerly mortal woman? And is it really adequate to leave all species to the Blight, just because of a few mages who got over their head? I imagine he's somewhat like Alistair.
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#87
Posté 17 janvier 2010 - 12:57
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I'm surprised that after 4 pages, I didn't see anyone simply suggest that maybe the Chantry is right. The Maker is who they understand him to be. From the player's perspective, it's just as plausible as any of the other theories posted here, anyway.
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Posté 17 janvier 2010 - 12:59
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Derengard wrote...
If the Maker is all-powerful why then can't he erase the stain of the Golden City? And why can he be swayed by a formerly mortal woman? And is it really adequate to leave all species to the Blight, just because of a few mages who got over their head? I imagine he's somewhat like Alistair.
If the Maker is all-powerful, I'm sure He could cleanse the Black City is He wanted to. But if I was the Maker, I'd prefer to leave it that way as a symbol of man's pride and what they lost (like a corrupted Garden of Eden); at least until the Chant was successfully spread to the four corners of the earth.
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Posté 17 janvier 2010 - 01:03
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The maker is now in charge of Fox News.
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Posté 17 janvier 2010 - 01:05
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HarlequinKing wrote...
Derengard wrote...
If the Maker is all-powerful why then can't he erase the stain of the Golden City? And why can he be swayed by a formerly mortal woman? And is it really adequate to leave all species to the Blight, just because of a few mages who got over their head? I imagine he's somewhat like Alistair.
If the Maker is all-powerful, I'm sure He could cleanse the Black City is He wanted to. But if I was the Maker, I'd prefer to leave it that way as a symbol of man's pride and what they lost (like a corrupted Garden of Eden); at least until the Chant was successfully spread to the four corners of the earth.
Yes, the maker is a cheeky bastard isn't he
He may be a god, he may be all powerful, but he certainly ain't the goody-good angel of forgiveness and love.
Gods dont need to be good, just look at Myrkul from NWN2 MotB. Or some of the gods of the dalish. Perhaps the Chantry just glorifies him.
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Posté 17 janvier 2010 - 01:05
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HarlequinKing wrote...
Derengard wrote...
If the Maker is all-powerful why then can't he erase the stain of the Golden City? And why can he be swayed by a formerly mortal woman? And is it really adequate to leave all species to the Blight, just because of a few mages who got over their head? I imagine he's somewhat like Alistair.
If the Maker is all-powerful, I'm sure He could cleanse the Black City is He wanted to. But if I was the Maker, I'd prefer to leave it that way as a symbol of man's pride and what they lost (like a corrupted Garden of Eden); at least until the Chant was successfully spread to the four corners of the earth.
If you are going to extremes doesnt a globe have 6 points?
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Posté 17 janvier 2010 - 01:10
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HarlequinKing wrote...
Derengard wrote...
If the Maker is all-powerful why then can't he erase the stain of the Golden City? And why can he be swayed by a formerly mortal woman? And is it really adequate to leave all species to the Blight, just because of a few mages who got over their head? I imagine he's somewhat like Alistair.
If the Maker is all-powerful, I'm sure He could cleanse the Black City is He wanted to. But if I was the Maker, I'd prefer to leave it that way as a symbol of man's pride and what they lost (like a corrupted Garden of Eden); at least until the Chant was successfully spread to the four corners of the earth.
Was there at least a sign forbidding any mages to take a look at the glorious Golden City?
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Posté 17 janvier 2010 - 01:10
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addiction21 wrote...
If you are going to extremes doesnt a globe have 6 points?
The "four corners of the earth" is the phraseology used by the chanters.
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Posté 17 janvier 2010 - 01:12
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Derengard wrote...
HarlequinKing wrote...
Derengard wrote...
If the Maker is all-powerful why then can't he erase the stain of the Golden City? And why can he be swayed by a formerly mortal woman? And is it really adequate to leave all species to the Blight, just because of a few mages who got over their head? I imagine he's somewhat like Alistair.
If the Maker is all-powerful, I'm sure He could cleanse the Black City is He wanted to. But if I was the Maker, I'd prefer to leave it that way as a symbol of man's pride and what they lost (like a corrupted Garden of Eden); at least until the Chant was successfully spread to the four corners of the earth.
Was there at least a sign forbidding any mages to take a look at the glorious Golden City?
Yes, in a way. The sign read no hawkers, salesman or foreign dignitaries.
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Posté 17 janvier 2010 - 01:16
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Obviously, the Maker is a lie, just like the cake...
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Posté 17 janvier 2010 - 01:16
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Derengard wrote...
Was there at least a sign forbidding any mages to take a look at the glorious Golden City?
Good and fair question. I don't recall any game lore at the moment which specifically says that there was a "do not enter" sign or something, but I think it's implied that the magisters of Tevinter stormed the City in a quest for power. And remember, we're talking about the same Empire that destroyed elven civilization, and where the blood of both humans and elves ran ceaselessly down their altars in order to power the mages. It's like the worst aspects of Rome and the Azteca combined. It's not reasonable to assume they were just exploring.
It was also probably obvious that entering the City was trespassing, same as you don't just walk into people's houses randomly. Well, okay, the mechanics of RPG's tend to make us forget that since we break, enter and loot all the time and no one cares.... but you know what I mean.
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Posté 17 janvier 2010 - 01:16
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About Andraste. I'll be avoiding spoilers, but somebody ingame mentions that something else may be the cause of her ashes healing power apparently.
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Posté 17 janvier 2010 - 01:17
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I'm surprised that no one has started a cumulative and organized list of "what is known" "speculation" "chantry teachings", etc., in response to the question of the OP.
Instead, everybody's doin' the same old song and dance...
Instead, everybody's doin' the same old song and dance...
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Posté 17 janvier 2010 - 01:19
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I'd love if they eventually added an expansion letting us explore the Black City and learn more about the lore behind the Maker along with demons and such.
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Posté 17 janvier 2010 - 01:27
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I'm just beginning to realize that the writers of DAO must all be big fans of Warhammer 40,000.
