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[esper]

Knight of Dane wrote...

esper wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

esper wrote...

I think it would be a cool twist, but honestly I would rather not see her again. She did not impress me in da2.

Did you see the movie esper?

Nope. I never mix media. Game world is a game world, I do not read the books or watch the movies.

(Also, from the sound of it, she sounded action-hero like and action heroes rarely impress me.)

I don't think you would, the movie is okay, but Cassandra isn't. Regalyan (a mage guy) carries the movie.

Well. That doesn't surprise me.

[rockits]

To me it's more likely that Leliana could be one of the villains. As Andraste reincarnated, spoken to by the Maker, who knows what she could achieve trying to end the mage rebellion. I don't like her anyway

I really don't think that will ever happen but... just a thought.

[esper]

StreetMagic wrote...

You're both different types of fans, I guess.

If I was sitting at a campfire with a good storyteller, I'd feel a little empty after he/she finished. I'd want to hear more. Some people are a well of entertainment. I think the same way with a good game world. I want to pick the brains of the writers, and hear whatever they have to offer. If the world as a whole they've dreamed up is cool, I don't recoil when I get the chance to hear more of it.

I have had to many movie based on books ruin both the book and the movie for me if I read the book first or saw the film first. I have had few similary experience with games, manga/cartoons/movies/books, based on games. I am very cautious when it comes to mixing medieas as an result.

I dragon age it comes down to us having a personal canon. I simply do not wish to know the writers canon. Since they claim that dragon age is still foremost a game universe, I want to see it in the game. The current number of comic worries me a lot and I am beginning to be cautious of wherever I should simply leave the franchnise after Inquistion. It depends on how they handle the comics and asunder in the game, I guess. If the game become intangible withouth having read the extra material I am out.

Edit. An none of this have anything to do with Cassandra.

Modifié par esper, 15 mai 2013 - 07:55 .

[Knight of Dane]

StreetMagic wrote...

You're both different types of fans, I guess.

If I was sitting at a campfire with a good storyteller, I'd feel a little empty after he/she finished. I'd want to hear more. Some people are a well of entertainment. I think the same way with a good game world. I want to pick the brains of the writers, and hear whatever they have to offer. If the world as a whole they've dreamed up is cool, I don't recoil when I get the chance to hear more of it.

Both of us?

[rockits]

StreetMagic wrote...
Alright, I'm convinced this whole thing is a troll thread. lol

:happy:
It's fun to speculate. I don't think we're even close to figuring out who will be the main antagonist, or one of.
But I'm with you. I can't see Cassandra as one of them.

[Knight of Dane]

esper wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

You're both different types of fans, I guess.

If I was sitting at a campfire with a good storyteller, I'd feel a little empty after he/she finished. I'd want to hear more. Some people are a well of entertainment. I think the same way with a good game world. I want to pick the brains of the writers, and hear whatever they have to offer. If the world as a whole they've dreamed up is cool, I don't recoil when I get the chance to hear more of it.

I have had to many movie based on books ruin both the book and the movie for me if I read the book first or saw the film first. I have had few similary experience with games, manga/cartoons/movies/books, based on games. I am very cautious when it comes to mixing medieas as an result.

But isn't that because your experience with the narrative changes?
What keeps you from reading "Stolen Throne" for example?

[esper]

StreetMagic wrote...

rockits wrote...

To me it's more likely that Leliana could be one of the villains. As Andraste reincarnated, spoken to by the Maker, who knows what she could achieve trying to end the mage rebellion. I don't like her anyway

I really don't think that will ever happen but... just a thought.

Alright, I'm convinced this whole thing is a troll thread. lol

Why? Because you equate antagonist with villain and villain with evil?

I like the idea of Leliana becomin a villain if you killed her in da:o.

[Knight of Dane]

StreetMagic wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

You're both different types of fans, I guess.

If I was sitting at a campfire with a good storyteller, I'd feel a little empty after he/she finished. I'd want to hear more. Some people are a well of entertainment. I think the same way with a good game world. I want to pick the brains of the writers, and hear whatever they have to offer. If the world as a whole they've dreamed up is cool, I don't recoil when I get the chance to hear more of it.

Both of us?

No, you sound like you just don't like some character. That's cool. I hate a lot of DA characters. At the same time, many are compelling in their own way (even Howe).

Okay. For the record, I don't hate Cassandra, she doesn't have any charactarization for me to hate
The only one I hate is Velanna.

[Knight of Dane]

esper wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

rockits wrote...

To me it's more likely that Leliana could be one of the villains. As Andraste reincarnated, spoken to by the Maker, who knows what she could achieve trying to end the mage rebellion. I don't like her anyway

I really don't think that will ever happen but... just a thought.

Alright, I'm convinced this whole thing is a troll thread. lol

Why? Because you equate antagonist with villain and villain with evil?

I like the idea of Leliana becomin a villain if you killed her in da:o.

Hadn't seen that idea, would be cool as long as she doesn't turn into a Meredith Jedi

[esper]

Knight of Dane wrote...

esper wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

You're both different types of fans, I guess.

If I was sitting at a campfire with a good storyteller, I'd feel a little empty after he/she finished. I'd want to hear more. Some people are a well of entertainment. I think the same way with a good game world. I want to pick the brains of the writers, and hear whatever they have to offer. If the world as a whole they've dreamed up is cool, I don't recoil when I get the chance to hear more of it.

I have had to many movie based on books ruin both the book and the movie for me if I read the book first or saw the film first. I have had few similary experience with games, manga/cartoons/movies/books, based on games. I am very cautious when it comes to mixing medieas as an result.

But isn't that because your experience with the narrative changes?
What keeps you from reading "Stolen Throne" for example?

That it from what I have heard is a sexist universe, with way too much sex in it and I would likely throw the book in the nearest fire place in frustration?

More, seriously: Nothing as I have never seen the movie, tv-series or played the game (I think there is a game). I simply choose my media.

The problem is that if me experience of the narrative changes, it might destroy the first (likely good, since I am watching it twice) experience I had and prevent me from re-reading, re-watching or re-playing. My worst example is the Never Ending story, the end to the movie (which I was forced to wacth in school) completely destroyed the book for me, because everytime I reached that place in the book, I remembered that damn movie. I took me five years before I could read the Never Ending story again as a result.

I have also tried having a book ruin a movie for me. Because it suddenly gave me a new insight that moved the story from 'good' to 'well that was kinda dumb'.

I simply don't want to destroy a good thing for myself. I have only experienced one or two narratives where the story wasn't ruined for me with cross medias.

[Knight of Dane]

StreetMagic wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

Okay. For the record, I don't hate Cassandra, she doesn't have any charactarization for me to hate
The only one I hate is Velanna.

Heh. Sounds like hate to me. If you're so dismissive that she has any characterization (I don't agree), it just sounds like she stands for something you dislike enough that you'd rather affect a tone of indifference.

It's not something you can agree on, the only characterization you get from her in any media she's been in is that she hates mages (to an extend) because one of them chopped her brothers head off. She could be replaced with Meredith, Carver, Fenris etc. and the narrative would be exactly the same.

In Dragon Age 2 you don't get anything either because she's only there as a seeker, the closest you get is if you duel the Arishok and even then she just waves it off as being impressed, everyone gets impressed now and then.

I'm not saying it as a bad thing, I just reserve my judgement for her until I know more about her.

[esper]

Knight of Dane wrote...

esper wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

rockits wrote...

To me it's more likely that Leliana could be one of the villains. As Andraste reincarnated, spoken to by the Maker, who knows what she could achieve trying to end the mage rebellion. I don't like her anyway

I really don't think that will ever happen but... just a thought.

Alright, I'm convinced this whole thing is a troll thread. lol

Why? Because you equate antagonist with villain and villain with evil?

I like the idea of Leliana becomin a villain if you killed her in da:o.

Hadn't seen that idea, would be cool as long as she doesn't turn into a Meredith Jedi

I don't remember who came up with it, but it would certainly be a consequence. Plus those who got it would be those willing to kill her in the first place. (For new comers one of the default backgrounds could have this flag in it).

[Knight of Dane]

esper wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

esper wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

You're both different types of fans, I guess.

If I was sitting at a campfire with a good storyteller, I'd feel a little empty after he/she finished. I'd want to hear more. Some people are a well of entertainment. I think the same way with a good game world. I want to pick the brains of the writers, and hear whatever they have to offer. If the world as a whole they've dreamed up is cool, I don't recoil when I get the chance to hear more of it.

I have had to many movie based on books ruin both the book and the movie for me if I read the book first or saw the film first. I have had few similary experience with games, manga/cartoons/movies/books, based on games. I am very cautious when it comes to mixing medieas as an result.

But isn't that because your experience with the narrative changes?
What keeps you from reading "Stolen Throne" for example?

That it from what I have heard is a sexist universe, with way too much sex in it and I would likely throw the book in the nearest fire place in frustration?

More, seriously: Nothing as I have never seen the movie, tv-series or played the game (I think there is a game). I simply choose my media.

The problem is that if me experience of the narrative changes, it might destroy the first (likely good, since I am watching it twice) experience I had and prevent me from re-reading, re-watching or re-playing. My worst example is the Never Ending story, the end to the movie (which I was forced to wacth in school) completely destroyed the book for me, because everytime I reached that place in the book, I remembered that damn movie. I took me five years before I could read the Never Ending story again as a result.

I have also tried having a book ruin a movie for me. Because it suddenly gave me a new insight that moved the story from 'good' to 'well that was kinda dumb'.

I simply don't want to destroy a good thing for myself. I have only experienced one or two narratives where the story wasn't ruined for me with cross medias.

Okay, I see. Better stop this discussion here, not to derail the thread further 

[Heimdall]

esper wrote...

That it from what I have heard is a sexist universe, with way too much sex in it and I would likely throw the book in the nearest fire place in frustration?

...Are you sure you're thinking of the Stolen Throne?  Cause it sounds more like Game of Thrones.

Modifié par Lord Aesir, 15 mai 2013 - 08:17 .

[esper]

Lord Aesir wrote...

esper wrote...

That it from what I have heard is a sexist universe, with way too much sex in it and I would likely throw the book in the nearest fire place in frustration?

...Are you sure you're thinking of the Stolen Throne?  Cause it sounds more like Game of Thrones.

Oh... Yeah, I might be confusing those two. Whoops. I don't read Stolen Throne because Dragon Age is a game universe, I am not interested in learning about Loghain, Marric and Fiona because if they are relevant to the game they will be presented in the game.

To be fair this is a prequel, so I guess, I could read it if I really wanted to without if destroying the experience of the game, but since so many comics and books and so forth has come out now. All which might influence future games and diminish the enjoyment for those who can't just get these extra materials. I simply do not want to support it on priniciple.

[Knight of Dane]

^
If "Destroying" means finding a new kind of sympathy for Loghain then you probably shouldn't read it. Stolen Throne changed my whole view of him.

[esper]

Knight of Dane wrote...

^
If "Destroying" means finding a new kind of sympathy for Loghain then you probably shouldn't read it. Stolen Throne changed my whole view of him.

Eh... I already have sympathy. I can completely understand being frustrated with Cailan, I can also understand the logic behind the retreat.I guess I can also understand his fear of Orlais, even if he takes it too far.

He sort of dropps the ball at last and does thing completely against my moral compass, but that is spending way too much time with Howe, and I can see the warped logic behind it even if I don't personally agree with it.

What I mean by destroying is reading the book and then going into the game and no longer enjoy Loghain's character because I would think something in the like off. 'Boy did they not manage to bring over his military genius in the game', or 'Now he is just a card carring villain compared to the book'. Basically the book will bring out the weakness's of the game's writing further and thus destroy the game.

Different medias have different strenghts and sometimes, when crossing media you suddenly see the weaknesses in the version you first enjoyed and can no longer enjoy it as you did before. .

[Knight of Dane]

Yeah sure, I got that from the Game too, but the book gives a lot of insight into his character and motives.

[esper]

Knight of Dane wrote...

Yeah sure, I got that from the Game too, but the book gives a lot of insight into his character and motives.

But you are missing the point. The fear is that the book would give insight into Loghain that would utterly undermine the way he is written in da:o, thus taking enjoyment out of the game.

It is a very well founded fear, because in a book it is so much easier too characterize than it is in a game. But still if the same character exist in both media the characterzation have to be consistent, even when you take the change of point of view into consideration.

[Knight of Dane]

^
The same thing is with Duncan. I don't think the combat roles are so defined in the books as they are in the games.