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[Heimdall]

StreetMagic wrote...

I suppose that's fair. I didn't read the books until afterwards myself, so I was shaped the other way around. The one glaring difference is that Loghain is a rogue, not a warrior (I guess they tried to correct that in the DA2 Loghain armor set).

Yes, well, we are talking a time gap of three decades remember.  Who doesn't change over that period of time?  He definitely seemed more his DAO self during his brief appearance in The Calling.

[Knight of Dane]

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I think Maric marrying Rowan hardened Loghain more than he assumed it would.

In some ways Loghain remind me of Snape from Harry Potter.

[esper]

Anyway, I think I have stated my reason for not crossing medias. Shouldn't we get this thread back to Cassandra?

I still think she has good antagonist potential. She would make a good antagonist starting with a bit of sympathy simply because we know her and from her actions in da2, she also have potential.

[Senya]

Irving: Don't tell me, now, that you've grown to care for the boy?

Loghain: Expecto Patronum! (conjures a doe)

Irving: Rowan, after all this time?

Loghain: Always.

[Knight of Dane]

almostinsane99 wrote...

Irving: Don't tell me, now, that you've grown to care for the boy?

Loghain: Expecto Patronum! (conjures a doe)

Irving: Rowan, after all this time?

Loghain: Always.

Hm, I think Irving would be Howe or something

[Senya]

True. I chose Irving because he looks a lot like Dumbledore, but Howe makes more sense.

Modifié par almostinsane99, 15 mai 2013 - 09:20 .

[Knight of Dane]

Howe saying "The boy has to die" sounds oddly fitting.

[Senya]

Yeah, it is. I also like this:

Loghain: So, when the time comes, the boy must die?

Howe: Yes, he must die. And the darkspawn themselves must do it.

Modifié par almostinsane99, 15 mai 2013 - 09:31 .

[esper]

StreetMagic wrote...

esper wrote...

Anyway, I think I have stated my reason for not crossing medias. Shouldn't we get this thread back to Cassandra?

I still think she has good antagonist potential. She would make a good antagonist starting with a bit of sympathy simply because we know her and from her actions in da2, she also have potential.

I don't think it's that much off the subject, because my underlying point about secondary material/media has left less room for the kind of speculation some are engaging in. Her character isn't as much of a mystery now that the film was released. If people don't want to watch it, that's cool too. There just isn't a lot to talk about, if that's the case.

Sorry, but no? I am not talking about her being heroic. Loghain is heroic in the books (sort off, I think) . There is also the whole concept of falling from grace as a hero. It doesn't matter what she has done. The hero in one story, makes for an excellent antagonist in another.

You are thinking antagonist = evil. It is not so. Based on da2, we know that Cassandra jumps to conclusion and is likely a bit of a conspiritor (some off the think she thought about Hawke was just...). She could easily become an antagonist, simply by doing what she think is right.

[esper]

StreetMagic wrote...

esper wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

esper wrote...

Anyway, I think I have stated my reason for not crossing medias. Shouldn't we get this thread back to Cassandra?

I still think she has good antagonist potential. She would make a good antagonist starting with a bit of sympathy simply because we know her and from her actions in da2, she also have potential.

I don't think it's that much off the subject, because my underlying point about secondary material/media has left less room for the kind of speculation some are engaging in. Her character isn't as much of a mystery now that the film was released. If people don't want to watch it, that's cool too. There just isn't a lot to talk about, if that's the case.

Sorry, but no? I am not talking about her being heroic. Loghain is heroic in the books (sort off, I think) . There is also the whole concept of falling from grace as a hero. It doesn't matter what she has done. The hero in one story, makes for an excellent antagonist in another.

You are thinking antagonist = evil. It is not so. Based on da2, we know that Cassandra jumps to conclusion and is likely a bit of a conspiritor (some off the think she thought about Hawke was just...). She could easily become an antagonist, simply by doing what she think is right.

I'm just saying we're not on the same page (literally lol). There's fewer ways to talk about it together.

Again. What specific is she that she does in the movive that makes it so that she could never be an antagonist?

Antagonist is simply some one who opposses the protagonist. Are you saying that Cassandra is portrayed in a way that makes it impossible for her to opposse any kind of protagonist in dragon age ever?

There is a billion reasons, right down to both wanting the same but due to a misunderstanding they think they are enemies. I get you like her, but... we are discussing a possibility here, nothing more, nothing less.

[azarhal]

esper wrote...

You are thinking antagonist = evil. It is not so. Based on da2, we know that Cassandra jumps to conclusion and is likely a bit of a conspiritor (some off the think she thought about Hawke was just...). She could easily become an antagonist, simply by doing what she think is right.

There wouldn't have been a DA2, if Cassandra jumped to conclusion. See, she wouldn't have any need of Varric to tell her the truth, if she already believed she knew the truth.

[Knight of Dane]

Cassandra is interrogating Varric as a part of her job.

[esper]

azarhal wrote...

esper wrote...

You are thinking antagonist = evil. It is not so. Based on da2, we know that Cassandra jumps to conclusion and is likely a bit of a conspiritor (some off the think she thought about Hawke was just...). She could easily become an antagonist, simply by doing what she think is right.

There wouldn't have been a DA2, if Cassandra jumped to conclusion. See, she wouldn't have any need of Varric to tell her the truth, if she already believed she knew the truth.

Maybe it is because I am playing mage, but I am pretty sure her premise was: Hawke was an upsurper who came to Kirkwall to spread subtefugde against the chantry.

And Hawke totally knew what was done in the Deep Roads.

And Hawke basically planned it all, including the Qunari rising.

She had an internal truth, she wanted it confirmed. She didn't get that.

The funny thing is that her premise, just doesn't make up with her reason for wanting Hawke. I am still not sure what she thought Hawke could do to stop the war.

[Wulfram]

Sometimes I wonder if Cassandra was feigning ignorance in order to provoke Varric into opening up. Seems like the sort of thing a cunning interrogator would do. And if she really believed in the version of Hawke she seemed to at the start, it seems odd that she'd think he'd be a supporter her attempts to make peace.

[esper]

Wulfram wrote...

Sometimes I wonder if Cassandra was feigning ignorance in order to provoke Varric into opening up. Seems like the sort of thing a cunning interrogator would do. And if she really believed in the version of Hawke she seemed to at the start, it seems odd that she'd think he'd be a supporter her attempts to make peace.

Personally I think they wanted to arrest Hawke. Since Hawke is a symbol for either the mages or the templars (or both). It could be possible for the group Cassandra represent to force one of the other two groups into negotiation by having their symbolic leader.

I really just think she wanted Hawke's whereabout due to what she and Leliana discussed.

[Knight of Dane]

That doesn't matter, saying Cassandra doesn't jump to conclusions because she went to see Varric doesn't mean anything.

[esper]

Knight of Dane wrote...

That doesn't matter, saying Cassandra doesn't jump to conclusions because she went to see Varric doesn't mean anything.

The lines she says to Varric, is very much jumping to conclusions. There is really no getting around that. Which leave two possible interpretations.

She is purposely doing it to throw Varric of guard and get him to tell the story, but that seems stupid because... honestly she is getting nothing out off it, since the end goal apperentlty was Hawke's location.

Or she is geniually jumping to these conclusion, which doens't bode well for her abilities as an investigator.

[iOnlySignIn]

She's too cute to be a villain.

[SafetyShattered]

ElitePinecone wrote...

It's possible, but early concept art relating to the customisation and companion armour systems seemed to suggest she's a party member.

We could still clash with her, particularly if companions react badly to certain player choices like in previous games, but I highly doubt she'll be a main villain in DA3.

Pretty much this, you might clash at certain points but i really don't think she'll be the villain. In fact i'd say it's more likely she'll be a companion, i mean that concept art looked so similar to her i don't think it's just a coincidence.

[azarhal]

Shadowfang12 wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

It's possible, but early concept art relating to the customisation and companion armour systems seemed to suggest she's a party member.

We could still clash with her, particularly if companions react badly to certain player choices like in previous games, but I highly doubt she'll be a main villain in DA3.

Pretty much this, you might clash at certain points but i really don't think she'll be the villain. In fact i'd say it's more likely she'll be a companion, i mean that concept art looked so similar to her i don't think it's just a coincidence.

Those concept arts have the same pose and face as the concept art used for Cassandra Pentaghast in World of Thedas. The first "version" in the follower customization blog is also pretty close to what she's wearing too in it.

[SafetyShattered]

azarhal wrote...

Shadowfang12 wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

It's possible, but early concept art relating to the customisation and companion armour systems seemed to suggest she's a party member.

We could still clash with her, particularly if companions react badly to certain player choices like in previous games, but I highly doubt she'll be a main villain in DA3.

Pretty much this, you might clash at certain points but i really don't think she'll be the villain. In fact i'd say it's more likely she'll be a companion, i mean that concept art looked so similar to her i don't think it's just a coincidence.

Those concept arts have the same pose and face as the concept art used for Cassandra Pentaghast in World of Thedas. The first "version" in the follower customization blog is also pretty close to what she's wearing too in it.

Oh, really? Didn't remember that. I need to reread that book haha. Yeah, then i'd say it's like 90% she'll be one then.