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[adayaday]

KingZayd wrote...

adayaday wrote...

Auld Wulf wrote...
 A "troll" in this context, by its very merit, is someone who disagrees with you passionately and won't step down.

Is that a confession?becuase this can discribe most of your posts,if not all of them.

That's his point. He's saying you guys are applying a different definition of troll when using it on him.

Then i have read it wrong and applied it to his attitude towards to destroyers who fight for thier with the same amount passion and moral ethics.

[Ecrulis]

Auld Wulf wrote...

Ecrulis wrote...

Then the question you should ask is does one post redeem a lifetime of board trolling?

Honestly? A "troll" in this context, by its very merit, is someone who disagrees with you passionately and won't step down. I stand by my sense of ethics and my convictions, I take pride in that. How many others can say the same? What some see as guilt-tripping, I see as matter-of-factly stating the obvious, from a position of ethical thinking. I recognise that I am an outlier in regards to common thought, but as I said, I am less and less of an outlier all the time. I'm just waiting for hte rest of the world to catch up with me.

A desire for a future sans war, sans suffering, sans meaningless death is trolling? Having a personal distaste for these things, even in a narrative, is trolling? Desiring ethical and equitous treatment regardless of social standing or personal disability is trolling? Going against the grain to speak out against black & white systems of over-simplified morality that just don't work any more is trolling? Recognising and being proud of my own ethical stances is troling?

I'm just a passionate person of convictions and pride. What you perceive as trolling is on you.

YAAAAAY the hypocrisy hasn't gone away don't ever change Wulfie, don't ever change

[harbinger of war]

MegaSovereign wrote...

I agreed with a lot of what you said until the 2nd half.

Life is meaningless. Nature presents challenges as a way for us to forget this harsh truth. If we reach singularity, it's because we have individually solved the greatest challenges of nature. Synthesis provides a fantasy solution in that it simultaneously solves a plethora of problems while irreversibly changing the balance of nature. That is why I don't like Synthesis, because it's pure, boring fantasy.

But how could you say life is meaningless when we don't even know how our life really began from the begining, evolution is only a theory, same thing with god and same thing as anything else you and me come up with. life is exciting and structured, and not meaningless you must find what you were put on this earth to do and achieve it.

[Phatose]

Yeah, it's not often you see a hypocritical condemnation for hypocrisy.

[MegaSovereign]

harbinger of war wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

I agreed with a lot of what you said until the 2nd half.

Life is meaningless. Nature presents challenges as a way for us to forget this harsh truth. If we reach singularity, it's because we have individually solved the greatest challenges of nature. Synthesis provides a fantasy solution in that it simultaneously solves a plethora of problems while irreversibly changing the balance of nature. That is why I don't like Synthesis, because it's pure, boring fantasy.

But how could you say life is meaningless when we don't even know how our life really began from the begining, evolution is only a theory, same thing with god and same thing as anything else you and me come up with. life is exciting and structured, and not meaningless you must find what you were put on this earth to do and achieve it.

Life is all about giving yourself purpose in order to forget the harsh truth that it is all pointless.

You're welcome to have a romantic view of this. But I've come to terms with the cold, calculated reality of nature.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 15 mai 2013 - 11:00 .

[Nole]

The Liara's cult is just too strong in this forum.

[Ecrulis]

one of us, one of us, ONE OF US!

[GreyLycanTrope]

MegaSovereign wrote...
Life is all about giving yourself purpose in order to forget the harsh truth that it is all pointless.

You're welcome to have a romantic view of this. But I've come to terms with the cold, calculated reality of nature.

I like this sloth, he understands.

[Bizinha]

WittingEight65 wrote...

The Liara's cult is just too strong in this forum.

amem , my brother

embrace the blue side of the force

[Armass81]

Everyone is an expert here.

[TheIdiocyWizard2.0]

MegaSovereign wrote...
Life is all about giving yourself purpose in order to forget the harsh truth that it is all pointless.

You're welcome to have a romantic view of this. But I've come to terms with the cold, calculated reality of nature.

Reminds me of this.

[remydat]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Life is all about giving yourself purpose in order to forget the harsh truth that it is all pointless.

You're welcome to have a romantic view of this. But I've come to terms with the cold, calculated reality of nature.

But it really isn't pointless unless you decide it is.  And even if you did, unless you follow up that decision by killing yourself, you have sub consciously decided it is not pointless whether you admit it or not.  All you are doing is employing a romantic view of nihilism that you don't actually really because if you did you wouldn't be posting on a message board.

Modifié par remydat, 16 mai 2013 - 04:25 .

[S.A.K]

adayaday wrote...

Auld Wulf wrote...
 A "troll" in this context, by its very merit, is someone who disagrees with you passionately and won't step down.

Is that a confession?becuase this can discribe most of your posts,if not all of them.

Auld as always.

[MegaSovereign]

remydat wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Life is all about giving yourself purpose in order to forget the harsh truth that it is all pointless.

You're welcome to have a romantic view of this. But I've come to terms with the cold, calculated reality of nature.

But it really isn't pointless unless you decide it is.  And even if you did, unless you follow up that decision by killing yourself, you have sub consciously decided it is not pointless whether you admit it or not.  All you are doing is employing a romantic view of nihilism that you don't actually really because if you did you wouldn't be posting on a message board.

Why would I kill myself? Life being pointless does not give death any significant meaning in that same context.

I don't dwell too much on the meaning of life. Like I said before, life is about giving yourself purpose and believe me I'm doing very well in that department.

[remydat]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Why would I kill myself? Life being pointless does not give death any significant meaning in that same context.

I don't dwell too much on the meaning of life. Like I said before, life is about giving yourself purpose and believe me I'm doing very well in that department.

And I am saying the fact you have gone to the trouble to give yourself purpose means it is not pointless.  If your life was pointless or if you were merely indifferent to it then you would have no preference regarding whether you lived or died.

So this is not about death having significant meaning.  It has to do with the fact that you clearly favor life over death so you have already decided it has meaning whether you care to articulate it or not.  Unless you are telling me that if I walked up to you right now and tried to kill you, you would just accept it then your actions ie carrying on living prove you value your life rendering your romantic nihilism nothing more than a delusion you have created for yourself.

[Morlath]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Why would I kill myself? Life being pointless does not give death any significant meaning in that same context.

I don't dwell too much on the meaning of life. Like I said before, life is about giving yourself purpose and believe me I'm doing very well in that department.

There is a very real difference between someone not seeing a meaning in life and someone seeing life as pointless.

I would say that, given my experience, you're probably the former but using the language of the latter.

Modifié par Morlath, 16 mai 2013 - 05:34 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

MegaSovereign wrote...

remydat wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Life is all about giving yourself purpose in order to forget the harsh truth that it is all pointless.

You're welcome to have a romantic view of this. But I've come to terms with the cold, calculated reality of nature.

But it really isn't pointless unless you decide it is.  And even if you did, unless you follow up that decision by killing yourself, you have sub consciously decided it is not pointless whether you admit it or not.  All you are doing is employing a romantic view of nihilism that you don't actually really because if you did you wouldn't be posting on a message board.

Why would I kill myself? Life being pointless does not give death any significant meaning in that same context.

I don't dwell too much on the meaning of life. Like I said before, life is about giving yourself purpose and believe me I'm doing very well in that department.

Good one Mega. I don't dwell on the meaning of life. I don't really care about it. There's a movie about it if one is that curious. I think it's by Monty Python. I'm doing fine in the purpose department right now myself.

I have two stacks of stuff every day: stuff I can do something about; and stuff I can't do anything about. The second stack I just toss into the trash every day. First stack: daily routine stuff, stuff I need to do, stuff I want to do. It's pretty simple. There's a lot of stuff I can put into the second stack. Life has been so much happier since I found out about that second stack.

Maybe the purpose of life is to learn where all those little sayings came from. There are so many of them. And when you've learned them all, the curtain falls.

[MegaSovereign]

remydat wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Why would I kill myself? Life being pointless does not give death any significant meaning in that same context.

I don't dwell too much on the meaning of life. Like I said before, life is about giving yourself purpose and believe me I'm doing very well in that department.

And I am saying the fact you have gone to the trouble to give yourself purpose means it is not pointless.  If your life was pointless or if you were merely indifferent to it then you would have no preference regarding whether you lived or died.

So this is not about death having significant meaning.  It has to do with the fact that you clearly favor life over death so you have already decided it has meaning whether you care to articulate it or not.  Unless you are telling me that if I walked up to you right now and tried to kill you, you would just accept it then your actions ie carrying on living prove you value your life rendering your romantic nihilism nothing more than a delusion you have created for yourself.

I'm not escaping my human nature. Either you're playing semantics or you're reading too much into what I'm saying. I have given my life purpose, that's why I care about living. That doesn't change my perception of life being pointless.

Instead of taking my comment at face value, you're desperately trying to paint me as a romantic nihilist. You should stop embarrassing yourself.

[Zazzerka]

Jesus Christ, can you tl;dr that for the anti-intellectuals among us?

[remydat]

MegaSovereign wrote...

I'm not escaping my human nature. Either you're playing semantics or you're reading too much into what I'm saying. I have given my life purpose, that's why I care about living. That doesn't change my perception of life being pointless.

Instead of taking my comment at face value, you're desperately trying to paint me as a romantic nihilist. You should stop embarrassing yourself.

No I am telling you that you are playing semantics. 

http://dictionary.re.../browse/purpose


the reason for which something exists or is done, made, used, etc.

You can't claim that you have given your life purpose but then say life has no meaning because you just gave your life meaning by giving yourself a purpose..  

http://dictionary.re...e/pointless?s=t

So who is playing semantics.  You have basically completely ignored the defintion of words and created an oxymoron ie you have a purposely pointless life.  Umm, sure dude.  Words don't just change meanings because you want them to.

Modifié par remydat, 16 mai 2013 - 06:19 .

[MegaSovereign]

remydat wrote...

SNIP

You're basically rephrasing what I originally said.

What I wrote...

Life is all about giving yourself purpose in order to forget the harsh truth that it is all pointless

What you wrote...

But it really isn't pointless unless you decide it is

From a big picture perspective I do view life as pointless, because there is no defined goal. It is my harsh truth. I've purposed my life in that I've given myself long term goals. And I'm determined to accomplish them.

I think you're playing semantics because you're deliberately pulling up dictionary definitions in order to interpret what I'm saying as paradoxal. If you need me to clarify anything I've said then all you gotta do is ask. You don't need to imply that I'm delusional or label me as a romantic nihilist.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 16 mai 2013 - 06:46 .

[remydat]

Mega,

So wait I should not use the actual defintion of words to tell you that you are in fact creating a pardoxical statement? Look it is fine if you have created your own meanings for the words but I read your statement and based on what the words purpose and pointless mean told you that your statement was contradictory.

And I called you a romantic nihilist merely as a play on words because you first said "You're welcome to have a romantic view on this." You used the term first so I just used it as a reparte if you will.

And sure, perhaps delusion sounded harsh but I was simply expressing the fact that I was at a loss to explain how you couldn't see that your statements contradicted themselves when again, those words have very specfic meanings that you in some form or fashion are ignoring.

Also, and I hate to harp on this from a big picture view there are defined goals because you define them once you set yourself a purpose.

Anyways, I was not trying to rile you up or be a douche.  I just found your statements very puzzling given what those words meant and decided to point them out by again taking your use of the term romantic and turning it on its head.

Modifié par remydat, 16 mai 2013 - 07:11 .

[MegaSovereign]

remydat wrote...

Mega,

So wait I should not use the actual defintion of words to tell you that you are in fact creating a pardoxical statement? Look it is fine if you have created your own meanings for the words but I read your statement and based on what the words purpose and pointless mean told you that your statement was contradictory.

And I called you a romantic nihilist merely as a play on words because you first said "You're welcome to have a romantic view on this." You used the term first so I just used it as a reparte if you will.

And sure, perhaps delusion sounded harsh but I was simply expressing the fact that I was at a loss to explain how you couldn't see that your statements contradicted themselves when again, those words have very specfic meanings that you in some form or fashion are ignoring.

Also, and I hate to harp on this from a big picture view there are defined goals because you define them once you set yourself a purpose.

Anyways, I was not trying to rile you up or be a douche.  I just found your statements very puzzling given what those words meant and decided to point them out by again taking your use of the term romantic and turning it on its head.

Your orginal rebuttal stated that life can be pointless if you decide that it is. We are essentially agreeing. I said that life is pointless, but we give ourselves purpose to remedy that.

Taking my choice of words and playing mental gymnastics with their meanings is pretty semantical. I don't think you are a douche but I do think you are trying to give me a hard time .