Why are the female characters so sexed up?
#176
Posté 16 mai 2013 - 11:12
But seriously that's just the way our culture is. In today's entertainment industry you get more criticism from the audience if women aren't portrayed as sexy. What would you do?
#177
Posté 16 mai 2013 - 11:18



IDK, maybe for science.
#178
Guest_Data7_*
Posté 16 mai 2013 - 11:28
Guest_Data7_*
masleslie wrote...
It was never a problem for Catwoman!
But seriously that's just the way our culture is. In today's entertainment industry you get more criticism from the audience if women aren't portrayed as sexy. What would you do?
Catwoman was insane.
Her outfit suited her personality.
Mass effect females got makeovers to run around in heels during combat (which would also prove the characters sanity levels being low).
I can understand G-suits. (clingy attire) but Heels.
Really. That is just the tipoff that the outfit wasn't designed with the scientific aspects in mind.
It doesn't help that the majority---if not every single concept of female characters are given double Ds.
Modifié par Data7, 16 mai 2013 - 11:44 .
#179
Posté 16 mai 2013 - 11:57
DcIhNaGv3z wrote...
Same could be said for many of the male characters, they have the typical over exaggerated masculine physique.
This is a humourous counterpoint to that argument. There's a lot of comments that follow the comic itself, enough that I haven't read more than a fraction of them. Needless to say it's a subject that can cause a lot of debate.
#180
Posté 16 mai 2013 - 12:08
In any case, would you really prefer it if the females were all butch/masculine instead?
Nothing wrong with a bit of (virtual) eye candy while playing
#181
Guest_Data7_*
Posté 16 mai 2013 - 12:25
Guest_Data7_*
That is the point of the case though. There is not much in the line of butch/Masculine at all. If at all. (By the time you've hit me3 at least. Everyone got a make-over)Sir_Alan_ wrote...
In any case, would you really prefer it if the females were all butch/masculine instead?
Nothing wrong with a bit of (virtual) eye candy while playing
There is nothing wrong with eyecandy sure, so to though, there is nothing wrong with Butch females.
Which there are pretty much none of. (Especially in ME3 MP)
Over time the view of the mass effect galaxy was cut out of the scope in favor of a view down some broads top.
ChrisLupton wrote...
DcIhNaGv3z wrote...
Same could be said for many of the male characters, they have the typical over exaggerated masculine physique.
This
That was pretty good.
But I like this better
Modifié par Data7, 16 mai 2013 - 12:40 .
#182
Posté 16 mai 2013 - 12:34
However did you make it through ME1 without nude tattooed women to distract you from the slog of the game?In any case, would you really prefer it if the females were all butch/masculine instead?
ME1 armour was fine, and soldiers wear armour in combat zones, not catsuits. End of story.
Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 16 mai 2013 - 12:35 .
#183
Posté 16 mai 2013 - 12:43
No idea why they tend to make ridiculous armours for females in general. Shoot and stab here parts are pretty ridiculous, Samara's armour is a fine example.longgamma wrote...
why do the asaris wear figure hugging leather dominatrix outfits to a fking firefight.
<3
The armours in ME1 were indeed great.
Modifié par Tup3xi, 16 mai 2013 - 12:44 .
#184
Posté 16 mai 2013 - 12:47
Anyways, the designers did an atrocious job on some models both in SP and MP. Like the ridiculous ass cam in Miranda during me 2. Or EDI's ******. Does the core Me audience really need this kind of cheap thrills?
#185
Posté 16 mai 2013 - 01:34
Data7 wrote...
Sir_Alan_ wrote...
In any case, would you really prefer it if the females were all butch/masculine instead?
Nothing wrong with a bit of (virtual) eye candy while playing
That is the point of the case though. There is not much in the line of butch/Masculine at all. If at all. (By the time you've hit me3 at least. Everyone got a make-over)
There is nothing wrong with eyecandy sure, so to though, there is nothing wrong with Butch females.
Which there are pretty much none of. (Especially in ME3 MP)
Over time the view of the mass effect galaxy was cut out of the scope in favor of a view down some broads top.
Fair enough, I get what you're saying.
To add another point to my original post, I guess as the production values of video games approach the level of a Hollywood blockbuster, the characters are cast/portrayed similarly i.e. smokin' hot female leads, buff blokes etc
#186
Posté 16 mai 2013 - 01:59
AlexMBrennan wrote...
However did you make it through ME1 without nude tattooed women to distract you from the slog of the game?In any case, would you really prefer it if the females were all butch/masculine instead?
ME1 armour was fine, and soldiers wear armour in combat zones, not catsuits. End of story.
I'm on PS3 so I never played it, I did watch a playthough of it though. [Yes, I know it's out now but I saw/hear the mechanics are worse than ME2, so I'll pass.]
***mild ME2 spoiler***
Unless I'm mistaken "nude tattooed women" is a reference to Jack (aka Subject Zero)? That would be ME2, which I did play and to be honest I rarely selected her for missions, so to answer your question, I made it though fine.
***end of spoiler***
I'm not arguing for or against the outfits in ME3, if you've got beef, write an email/letter to the devs.
I'm concerned that I have to say this but I don't pick characters (SP and MP) based on what they're wearing, I'm merely saying I don't care if they happen to take a few pointers from Jessica Rabbit because it's just a game.
#187
Posté 16 mai 2013 - 02:13
ChrisLupton wrote...
DcIhNaGv3z wrote...
Same could be said for many of the male characters, they have the typical over exaggerated masculine physique.
This is a humourous counterpoint to that argument. There's a lot of comments that follow the comic itself, enough that I haven't read more than a fraction of them. Needless to say it's a subject that can cause a lot of debate.
That's not true, she's using what she likes and saying it's fact. There's a vast difference from male power fantasy (see Rambo or anything Arnold is in) and a male being sexualised. Just because they don't look like an anime character doesn't mean the male isn't being sexualised.
#188
Posté 16 mai 2013 - 03:08
I don't think that's overly objectifying, I mean compared to games like MMORPGs and most fighting games.
Am I supposed to feel guilty for staring at Miranda's ass or checking out Samara cleavage?
I mean I enjoy it, that's what you play games for right? For fun, enjoyment, and escape.
TBH I think if there were a bit more "fan service" for females we would hear a lot less complaints,.
Modifié par Ser Pounce A Lot , 16 mai 2013 - 03:09 .
#189
Posté 16 mai 2013 - 03:21
DragonRacer wrote...
I am female and I DESPISE high heels.
However, my husband is actually about 2-3 inches shorter than me and is self-conscious about that (frankly, I couldn't care less about his height), so he is fully supportive of my anti-high heel status. I got married in flats and was mighty happy with that arrangement.
Then again, I am also a fairly hardcore tomboy, so lots of things that are considered traditionally "feminine" and "girly" make me roll my eyes, so I might not be the best litmus test.
Though understandable, it's a shame the reasonable girls are always gone first.

Al Pacino has the answer to OPs question, by the way
#190
Posté 16 mai 2013 - 03:36
Ser Pounce A Lot wrote...
What's wrong with a little eye candy? I happened to like the catsuits and the cleavage in ME2/ME3. (sans EDI probably, that was a bit overboard)
I don't think that's overly objectifying, I mean compared to games like MMORPGs and most fighting games.
Am I supposed to feel guilty for staring at Miranda's ass or checking out Samara cleavage?
I mean I enjoy it, that's what you play games for right? For fun, enjoyment, and escape.
TBH I think if there were a bit more "fan service" for females we would hear a lot less complaints,.
You're likely correct. After all, I haven't heard too many complaints about half-naked hospital Kaidan or the Alistair sexy times love scene in DA:O.
Although, admittedly, I do LMAO every time there's an extreme Miranda butt close-up all up in my grill. But it's one of those "so f-ing ridiculous, it's funny" sort of deals for me. I am fine having it in there because, in exchange, I get my super-cool (and hot) dancing scene with my romanced Garrus.
#191
Posté 16 mai 2013 - 04:05
DragonRacer wrote...
Ser Pounce A Lot wrote...
What's wrong with a little eye candy? I happened to like the catsuits and the cleavage in ME2/ME3. (sans EDI probably, that was a bit overboard)
I don't think that's overly objectifying, I mean compared to games like MMORPGs and most fighting games.
Am I supposed to feel guilty for staring at Miranda's ass or checking out Samara cleavage?
I mean I enjoy it, that's what you play games for right? For fun, enjoyment, and escape.
TBH I think if there were a bit more "fan service" for females we would hear a lot less complaints,.
You're likely correct. After all, I haven't heard too many complaints about half-naked hospital Kaidan or the Alistair sexy times love scene in DA:O.
Although, admittedly, I do LMAO every time there's an extreme Miranda butt close-up all up in my grill. But it's one of those "so f-ing ridiculous, it's funny" sort of deals for me. I am fine having it in there because, in exchange, I get my super-cool (and hot) dancing scene with my romanced Garrus.
I know am I. Wouldn't you liked to have seen more shots of Jacob shirtless (probably doing pushups) in ME2? More provocative shots of Thane? More shots of shirtless Vega in ME3 doing pull ups?
And I know you would've loved scenes of Fenris bear in DA2.
See, I'm all about equality when it comes to these things.
#192
Posté 16 mai 2013 - 04:25
Data7 wrote...
ChrisLupton wrote...
DcIhNaGv3z wrote...
Same could be said for many of the male characters, they have the typical over exaggerated masculine physique.
This
That was pretty good.
But I like this better
Very interesting counter points. Both make some great points, but I still feel Men and Women are both objectified in media. Women more so then Men, but media creates impossible icons for men and women to live up to.
As video games go with objectifying women, Mass Effect does a pretty good job at keeping it restrained. Yes the women skinny, and wearing tight clothing. But the women in Mass Effect are not DOA Beach Volleyball sex objects. The woman in Mass Effect are true characters, in every sense of the word.
#193
Guest_Data7_*
Posté 16 mai 2013 - 05:36
Guest_Data7_*
DcIhNaGv3z wrote...
Very interesting counter points. Both make some great points, but I still feel Men and Women are both objectified in media. Women more so then Men, but media creates impossible icons for men and women to live up to.
As video games go with objectifying women, Mass Effect does a pretty good job at keeping it restrained. Yes the women skinny, and wearing tight clothing. But the women in Mass Effect are not DOA Beach Volleyball sex objects. The woman in Mass Effect are true characters, in every sense of the word.
Hmm. Fair enough.
However when you put it like that... I'm not so sure.
Males seem to have more character concepts that are unrealistic to live up to. (possibly 'objectifying')
Most female character concepts don't exist. (me3 mp Batfem) So by contrast of sheer numbers alone; males do seem to have more 'objectifying' roles. I think it's easy to feel as though women face the brunt of unrealistic portrayal but the reality is, as you say, that within media it does effect both.
However...

Minus the citadel dlc where you can pretty much hit on the sofa, or any thing else that appears to be moving, this is how the game shows me it could not keep it very well restrained.
Sure ideals can make a huge difference in stories, it's nice to take yourself out of reality and be put into a false universe, where you are considerably more attractive/important. I just think Mass Effect takes those ideals and twists them in a way that leaves me personally with a bit of a foul after taste. I know I'm not alone in this. Mass Effect has been a hell of a lot more inclusive than most other games, considering, but it has yet to fall under the responsibility of being equally inclusive. It's not fully there yet; for such a great sci-fi that strikes me as odd.
Modifié par Data7, 16 mai 2013 - 05:40 .
#194
Posté 16 mai 2013 - 05:49
#195
Posté 16 mai 2013 - 05:55
In my Shep's case she had zero straight love interests. Garrus wasn't option because she had none in earlier games and Kaidan died in first. I was saving her for someone in ME3 but that plan didn't quite work...Data7 wrote...
DcIhNaGv3z wrote...
Very interesting counter points. Both make some great points, but I still feel Men and Women are both objectified in media. Women more so then Men, but media creates impossible icons for men and women to live up to.
As video games go with objectifying women, Mass Effect does a pretty good job at keeping it restrained. Yes the women skinny, and wearing tight clothing. But the women in Mass Effect are not DOA Beach Volleyball sex objects. The woman in Mass Effect are true characters, in every sense of the word.
However...
The Citadel DLC changed that though but it's still a DLC.
Modifié par Tup3xi, 16 mai 2013 - 05:57 .
#196
Posté 16 mai 2013 - 05:59
Data7 wrote...
(me3 mp Batfem)
Do those exist? (Honest question.) I've never seen the lore for Batarian genders. If they have them, if they are Asexual, etc.
#197
Posté 16 mai 2013 - 06:01
Dala Kaar wrote...
Data7 wrote...
(me3 mp Batfem)
Do those exist? (Honest question.) I've never seen the lore for Batarian genders. If they have them, if they are Asexual, etc.
They are the male asari.
#198
Guest_Ghostknife72_*
Posté 16 mai 2013 - 06:05
Guest_Ghostknife72_*
KalilKareem wrote...
Dala Kaar wrote...
Data7 wrote...
(me3 mp Batfem)
Do those exist? (Honest question.) I've never seen the lore for Batarian genders. If they have them, if they are Asexual, etc.
They are the male asari.
Seriously or joke?
Because I don't even think they had Batarian females in the ME novels. Could have missed it though.
#199
Guest_Data7_*
Posté 16 mai 2013 - 06:09
Guest_Data7_*
Dala Kaar wrote...
Do those exist? (Honest question.) I've never seen the lore for Batarian genders. If they have them, if they are Asexual, etc.
The below quote is taken from (... Here.)
Data7 wrote...
Unfortunately the ME3 MP lacks the squad mate I'm most interested in.
The whole damn galaxy does.
Female Batarian.
I can't designate a role for her character as the codex doesn't imply how their females are integrated into their society. But seeing as how they are physically not integrated into the galactic society (physical npcs) nor in the lore (female notations) I can only submit that she would be female. Traynor didn't exactly get out of the ship much (not compared to cortez at least) So it wouldn't be new to have my leading lady kept shut in the ship. *shrug*
When bioware doesn't bother to include female npcs, lore, codex notations, or really any thing other than a TNA shot from a better looking species, it's hard to know if BATs do actually have females. (or if what we see of them is actually female! What a twist~)
They look akin to spiders (the submission net is also taken into account) I would assume they have females, who we haven't seen yet, but again... Since it was apparently to costly to simply put in a note on the species genders; I will never really know.
*Edit* On that note, we never really saw male quarians until ME2 but was there ever the question of; 'do they actually exist'? (I only recently got into the whole bsn forums thing. I've been emotionally invested in the trilogy for around 4-5 years.) The only other species I've considered to be monogendered are the Vorcha. Considering they're pretty much based off a certain type of worm.
Modifié par Data7, 16 mai 2013 - 06:17 .
#200
Posté 16 mai 2013 - 06:12
I mean, did anyone like Anomen? Anyone at all?




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