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[Aaleel]

Yeah, I never knew Shepard was going to live the first time I played the game, so Shepard living never factored into the equation in the first place.

My Shepard was of the mindset that the only way that the galaxy was guaranteed to be free to make their own way without reaper interference, and that reapers would never kill another organic was to destroy them, even if it came with a cost.

That was the mindset behind sacrificing EDI and the Geth in the first place. Making the sacrifice as Shepard would be a smaller one than that. If the Catalyst had given me the choice you or EDI and the Geth, my Shepard would have made the sacrifice without a thought.

[crimzontearz]

Number 1, Shepard is alive
Number 2, I would pick Control if shep did not live in high EMS destroy, that is pretty much the only thing I care about at this point

there is a whisper going on about how TW3 MIGHT have similar endings (with less idiotic choices) in which Geralt has to choose....I will GLADLY walk away with Triss and let Nilfgard conquer the north if that is the case Geralt + Triss happy and together > dead Geralt + won war, just like Shepard+ Liara alive and happy > EDI + Geth alive

[The Night Mammoth]

AshenSugar wrote...

It's for this reason alone that I always choose the Control option. Despite it's dangers and inherent unknowns, it still seems like the safest and most humane of all options.

Humane, maybe, but safest? Control seems the most risky, to me. The Reapers are still around and under the control of a single entity. Who knows what can happen in the long years the Shepalyst now has to spend, alone, observing, cut off from everything they cared about. 

[Steelcan]

No, the geth were already dead, and I'm not dying for EDI.

[Bizinha]

A Note

I try to understand empathy with synthetic, but I can not. Synthetics are a threat to organic life, they will always make decisions based on logic, and some organic become a threat they're going to eliminate it.
The only solution to this would be the synthesis. But as I do not care about machines ...

[AshenSugar]

so you would rather enslave than be the slave?  Interesting.

Would you care to elaborate on that? In what context is the word 'slave' used?

I personally see the concept of 'enslaving' a single race, The Reapers, as more moral than exterminating uncounted races of intelligent beings, in the same context as I would consider 'enslaving' a single man as somewhat preferable to shooting him dead, along with all his family!

Obviously neither option is perfect, and if there were any other way I would choose it. The three possible endings give no other options, therefore one must be chosen. I choose the one that results in the least destruction.

Modifié par AshenSugar, 16 mai 2013 - 12:32 .

[justafan]

I didn't know Shepard could live the first time and I still picked destroy. If Shepard has to die so that a species and a close friend can live, so be it. If it's just EDI on the other hand, then maybe I'd consider living. I like her a lot, but would you willingly sacrifice yourself for one person? Even a close friend?

[anillee]

Yes, I would have ultimately still went with Destroy regardless of Shepard's status. Like others mentioned, I sort of expected Shepard to die anyway since BioWare made it no secret that even though the Mass Effect universe would go on and further games would be released, this was the end of Shepard's story.

Additionally, I think most people, believe it or not, would have liked to see Shepard go out in a blaze of glory, maybe as the result of taking down Harbinger or whatever the greatest threat (at that moment) was. I would have been more than satisfied of a scene where my Shep came roaring through a relay in a Mako (a la the end of the first Mass Effect) and take out Harbinger...and herself--thus accomplishing the mission.

Or maybe a hospital scene where she (or he) succumbs to the absolute beating Shepard's endured throughout the series.

A lot could have been done where Shepard still dies but the ending gives people the closure they wanted for the character that, for all intent and purposes, was a part of them as BioWare intended.

[Bizinha]

justafan wrote...

I didn't know Shepard could live the first time and I still picked destroy. If Shepard has to die so that a species and a close friend can live, so be it. If it's just EDI on the other hand, then maybe I'd consider living. I like her a lot, but would you willingly sacrifice yourself for one person? Even a close friend?

I think I'm too selfish. I just sacrifice myself (my Shepard) by Garrus, Tali or Liara, who proved his friendship / love beyond all, and always sided with Shepard.

[aj2070]

Han Shot First wrote...

Yes.

In that case I would have had Shepard sacrifice his life to save EDI & the Geth. Destroy was never about Shepard surviving for me. It was about accomplishing the mission he has had since the first game, and in freeing the galaxy from the threat of the Reapers for all time. That Shepard could survive High EMS Destroy just turned out to be a bonus.

In fact if Shepard had instead survived in all versions of Control and Synthesis, while dying in all versions of Destroy, I'd still choose Destroy every time.

Ditto. The cost of the alternatives (reaper survival) is too high.  The more we discuss this and the more I think about it, the more I see synthesis and control as proof of EDI's analysis of the reapers; they value self-preservation above all else.

[crimzontearz]

anillee wrote...

Yes, I would have ultimately still went with Destroy regardless of Shepard's status. Like others mentioned, I sort of expected Shepard to die anyway since BioWare made it no secret that even though the Mass Effect universe would go on and further games would be released, this was the end of Shepard's story.

Additionally, I think most people, believe it or not, would have liked to see Shepard go out in a blaze of glory, maybe as the result of taking down Harbinger or whatever the greatest threat (at that moment) was. I would have been more than satisfied of a scene where my Shep came roaring through a relay in a Mako (a la the end of the first Mass Effect) and take out Harbinger...and herself--thus accomplishing the mission.

Or maybe a hospital scene where she (or he) succumbs to the absolute beating Shepard's endured throughout the series.

A lot could have been done where Shepard still dies but the ending gives people the closure they wanted for the character that, for all intent and purposes, was a part of them as BioWare intended.

so because SOME people might like a Shepard dies ending let's flip off all the others who might want him to live?


 
Well that's just lovely


 
And for your information both Casey and Preston pushed for an OPTIONAL happy(er) non sacrifical ending, but thanks to "the artist" aka Mac we could not have that little happiness, oh no, art is dark and grim and depressing and sprinkled with forced death....so all we got was the breath scene


 

 
Thank you Mac, you taught me a great lesson. "if you are invested, truly invested, in a series you should ALWAYS take a trip to spoilerville before finalizing the purchase".

Modifié par crimzontearz, 16 mai 2013 - 01:00 .

[spirosz]

Yes.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Yes, I've actually been advocating such an option for while.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Steelcan wrote...

No, the geth were already dead, and I'm not dying for EDI.

+1

[Felya87]

I would still choose Destroy. but only because I can't have MEHEM and a succeful Refuse (playng on PS3).

still, I don't like anyone of the ending Bioware severs us, forcing us to have a dead/dyng Shepard. But is because i can't fathom none of my Shepard willingly to sacrife themself without being in the battlefield, and without the rush of adrenaline.

nope. Shepard deserve to go down in a fight. like Thane. or Kal Reegar. not listening to a malfunctioning space casper.

edit: of course if she have to die. but someone with survival istinct usually have more chance than a depressed suicidal individual. and non of my Shep want to die.

Modifié par Felya87, 16 mai 2013 - 02:57 .

[Chardonney]

Ryzaki wrote...

If you could save EDI and the Geth (with Reapers still dying of course) but Shep woudl ALWAYS die would you accept this ending? 

Absolutely not. If Shepard wouldn't survive Destroy, I would have stopped playing right after the line; "Best seats in the house." Do I want to destroy the reapers? Hell yes. But I really don't care whether they are destroyed or turned into tuna cans, as long as they're dealt with and Shep survives.

Do I care about the Geth and EDI? Yes, especially the Geth. I liked them alrerady in ME1. EDI? Not as much, mainly because she was practically force-fed to the player during the game. Still, I wish I could've saved them (no, control and synthesis are not an option).

In the end, I'm so grateful for MEHEM.   

[dorktainian]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

No, the geth were already dead, and I'm not dying for EDI.

+1

 + another one.

an analogy.

So if you were caught in a house fire, and you're in the kitchen and the window is open.  In front of you is your state of the art all singing and dancing toaster.  This toaster cost you a fortune and sings you a happy song as it makes you toast.  The window beckons.

You still have to escape the fire.      

Do you throw the toaster out of the window in the hope that whoever recovers it will enjoy the same toast experience you have, or do you leave it to burn, never to sing and provide toast for you again?  

Imagine how you would feel if you threw the toaster to safety, and then found out the toaster started the fire in the first place?

[Only-Twin]

If that was the choice, yes, I would choose it. I already pretend that caveat isn't part of the ending.

But the issue of Shepard surviving, I don't see why some people think it's so implausible. He came back after being spaced, so I don't see why that explosion would kill him, especially with some of the "upgrades" he got from the Lazarus project.

[dorktainian]

Only-Twin wrote...

If that was the choice, yes, I would choose it. I already pretend that caveat isn't part of the ending.

But the issue of Shepard surviving, I don't see why some people think it's so implausible. He came back after being spaced, so I don't see why that explosion would kill him, especially with some of the "upgrades" he got from the Lazarus project.

   

and the one thing that is there right at the end... but only if you have a high number of war assets and you pick the destroy ending.  

Shepard takes a breath in the rubble.  He is alive.  

[KaiserShep]

I and no doubt others had serious issue with the idea that Shepard had to die no matter what, because up until this point, you could shape the story to determine whether or not he/she survives. With that, I expected Shepard to die simply because of what the catalyst said, and assumed that the synthetic components would be her undoing, but as a fair bonus, that wasn't the case. EDI and the geth were not that big a factor in my decision, because as much as I wanted them to live on, I wanted the reapers eradicated much much more. Survival didn't make a difference, because the other decisions required death while performing actions I vehemently oppose.

[Han Shot First]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Morlath wrote...

I've got some Shepards who are so tired with war and death that they choose Control/Synthethis more in the hopes it stops one more death than anything else. They're so burnt out that they don't even have the mental energy to kill the enemy.

That may be fine for YOUR Shepards, but mine? Mine has not given up since Eden Prime, and stopping at the finish line and taking the enemy at his word that "Without us, you are all screwed" is anthenma to him. It's abhorrent.

And considering that the over-arching character point to Shepard is that they simply don't give up. They are like the Terminator. They won't stop until the mission is completed.

Agreed.

The mission is to destroy the Reapers, not to join them or hold hands with them and sing Kumbaya. Control and Synthesis are endings where the Reaper War ends in a negotiated truce and a stalemate. Both end with a fully intact and operational Reaper fleet, fully capable of annihilating galactic civilization on a whim.
 
Destroy for the win, every time. It is the only ending that removes for all time, the threat posed to galactic civilization by the Reapers. It is also the only ending that allows the galaxy to determine its own fate, for good or ill. There are no Reaper overlords and people aren't turned into cyborgs merely because an entity who thought genocide was a solution to the conflict to between organics and synthetics, now thinks forcing a 'sameness' across the galaxy is the answer.

[Bizinha]

KaiserShep wrote...

I and no doubt others had serious issue with the idea that Shepard had to die no matter what, because up until this point, you could shape the story to determine whether or not he/she survives. With that, I expected Shepard to die simply because of what the catalyst said, and assumed that the synthetic components would be her undoing, but as a fair bonus, that wasn't the case. EDI and the geth were not that big a factor in my decision, because as much as I wanted them to live on, I wanted the reapers eradicated much much more. Survival didn't make a difference, because the other decisions required death while performing actions I vehemently oppose.

In ME2, Shepard can die too, depending on your decisions.
Being end or not of the trilogy, I hoped to be able choose the end of Shepard.

[anillee]

crimzontearz wrote...

so because SOME people might like a Shepard dies ending let's flip off all the others who might want him to live?


 
Well that's just lovely


 
And for your information both Casey and Preston pushed for an OPTIONAL happy(er) non sacrifical ending, but thanks to "the artist" aka Mac we could not have that little happiness, oh no, art is dark and grim and depressing and sprinkled with forced death....so all we got was the breath scene


 

 
Thank you Mac, you taught me a great lesson. "if you are invested, truly invested, in a series you should ALWAYS take a trip to spoilerville before finalizing the purchase".

Holy cow, I just answered the OP's question, as I'm pro-destroy.  I don't believe I in any way, shape or form said I absolutely wanted Shep to die, I just said if it HAD to be that way, blah blah blah...I actually bothered to get the high EMS score SO Shepard could live, by the by.

Modifié par anillee, 16 mai 2013 - 04:39 .

[AresKeith]

Yes I would still pick it

But I don't like "The hero must always die" crap

[CronoDragoon]

Assuming this hypothetical choice within Destroy, yes I would rather have Shepard die, and I would still prefer this even if there was a touching Reunion scene included. I worked too hard on the Rannoch peace - the current example of beneficial organic/synthetic relations - to value Shepard's life more.