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[themikefest]

No. I will not die for a bunch of robots.

[GeneralMoskvin_2.0]

No.

According to Legion, the Reapers are lifeforms too, much like the Geth. Not just tools. As the catalyst says, he is the EMBODIEMENT of the collective intelligence of the reapers. Much like inception, he is implanting thoughts to them. The catalyst is the badie. Not the reapers.

That's why I choose control. A big faqu to the starbrat, everybody lives.

Reapers die = Nope. Catalyst dies = Yeah.

For those guys that represent the "Dead reapers is how we win this war", I understand you. That's the safe way. Many lifes extinguished to avoid a future that has a non-zero probability of going horribly wrong, that is justifiable to me.

While all these guys that value Shepard's life over those of the "robots" earn zero respect for me. Synthetics are life as well. I guess if the asari would die instead of synthetics, the equation would be a WHOLE LOT different for these guys.

Modifié par GeneralMoskvin_2.0, 16 mai 2013 - 05:00 .

[CronoDragoon]

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

No.

According to Legion, the Reapers are lifeforms too, much like the Geth. Not just tools. As the catalyst says, he is the EMBODIEMENT of the collective intelligence of the reapers. Much like inception, he is implanting thoughts to them. The catalyst is the badie. Not the reapers.

That's why I choose control. A big faqu to the starbrat, everybody lives.

Reapers die = Nope. Catalyst dies = Yeah.

If you are picking your ending based on the good of the Reapers, then why not Synthesis? In Control they are all slaves to your will.

[Barquiel]

Depends on my Shepard/playthrough...

If Shepard chose the Geth over the Quarians on Rannoch -> Yes
If the Quarians destroyed the Geth -> No (Sorry EDI:crying:)

[Han Shot First]

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

No.

According to Legion, the Reapers are lifeforms too, much like the Geth. Not just tools. As the catalyst says, he is the EMBODIEMENT of the collective intelligence of the reapers. Much like inception, he is implanting thoughts to them. The catalyst is the badie. Not the reapers.

That's why I choose control. A big faqu to the starbrat, everybody lives.

Reapers die = Nope. Catalyst dies = Yeah.

Trillions upon trillions of sapient beings, were robbed of their free will and individuality. Their minds were somehow uploaded into a machine with millions of other organic minds, and combined with AI processes to form some kind of partially Synthetic hive mind. The end result was not a new form of life, it is an abomination and a crime against nature.

Control and Synthesis keep those organic minds trapped in their prisons. Destroy finally gives them the peace they deserve.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 16 mai 2013 - 04:57 .

[GeneralMoskvin_2.0]

Han Shot First wrote...

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

No.

According to Legion, the Reapers are lifeforms too, much like the Geth. Not just tools. As the catalyst says, he is the EMBODIEMENT of the collective intelligence of the reapers. Much like inception, he is implanting thoughts to them. The catalyst is the badie. Not the reapers.

That's why I choose control. A big faqu to the starbrat, everybody lives.

Reapers die = Nope. Catalyst dies = Yeah.

Control and Synthesis keep those organic minds trapped in their prisons. Destroy finally gives them the peace they deserve.

As Shepard once said....

"They are dead. They died thousands of years ago."

I for one do not see a problem with this. It's similar to the Americans picking up the German V-2 rockets at the end of WWII. Those had the blood of concentration camp prisoners all over them, but still, not taking them would not change this.

If you do everything to sweet-talk destroy, kay, it's up to you. As I stated above, avoiding an ending with a non-zero probability of going horribly wrong is justifiable. 

[Zazzerka]

I think Han is saying that the argument that the DNA-slurry is alive (commonly used to defend control/synthesis) is more an argument for destroy than the others.

Not that it actually is alive.

[Han Shot First]

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

No.

According to Legion, the Reapers are lifeforms too, much like the Geth. Not just tools. As the catalyst says, he is the EMBODIEMENT of the collective intelligence of the reapers. Much like inception, he is implanting thoughts to them. The catalyst is the badie. Not the reapers.

That's why I choose control. A big faqu to the starbrat, everybody lives.

Reapers die = Nope. Catalyst dies = Yeah.

Control and Synthesis keep those organic minds trapped in their prisons. Destroy finally gives them the peace they deserve.

As Shepard once said....

"They are dead. They died thousands of years ago."

I for one do not see a problem with this. It's similar to the Americans picking up the German V-2 rockets at the end of WWII. Those had the blood of concentration camp prisoners all over them, but still, not taking them would not change this.

If you do everything to sweet-talk destroy, kay, it's up to you. As I stated above, avoiding an ending with a non-zero probability of going horribly wrong is justifiable. 

Zazzerka has it right.

One of the prime arguments used against Destroy is that the Reapers are enslaved lifeforms. The irony of that viewpoint is that if the organic minds used to create the Reapers are still 'alive' and trapped within those monstrosities, it is a more compelling argument for Destroy.

[Modius Prime]

I wouldn't do that. From the beginning, you know that there are going to be immense sacrifices---even more than just Shepard's life. I wouldn't want a sort of major victory ending where only the hero dies, because the ending is supposed to be bitter sweet. I like the original destroy ending since it still fits the tone of the third game, even though you know that the Geth and EDI will be sacrificed; it reminds us about the effects of our choices. Plus, I do like surviving and hopefully being reunited with my LI (it still follows the nearly impossible odds theme). Can't die on him twice, can I?

Modifié par Modius Prime, 17 mai 2013 - 06:18 .

[Khelish]

Argolas wrote...

Yes. I initially picked Destroy without knowing that Shepard would survive.

Yesp, this.

[Ecrulis]

Han Shot First wrote...

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

No.

According to Legion, the Reapers are lifeforms too, much like the Geth. Not just tools. As the catalyst says, he is the EMBODIEMENT of the collective intelligence of the reapers. Much like inception, he is implanting thoughts to them. The catalyst is the badie. Not the reapers.

That's why I choose control. A big faqu to the starbrat, everybody lives.

Reapers die = Nope. Catalyst dies = Yeah.

Control and Synthesis keep those organic minds trapped in their prisons. Destroy finally gives them the peace they deserve.

As Shepard once said....

"They are dead. They died thousands of years ago."

I for one do not see a problem with this. It's similar to the Americans picking up the German V-2 rockets at the end of WWII. Those had the blood of concentration camp prisoners all over them, but still, not taking them would not change this.

If you do everything to sweet-talk destroy, kay, it's up to you. As I stated above, avoiding an ending with a non-zero probability of going horribly wrong is justifiable. 

Zazzerka has it right.

One of the prime arguments used against Destroy is that the Reapers are enslaved lifeforms. The irony of that viewpoint is that if the organic minds used to create the Reapers are still 'alive' and trapped within those monstrosities, it is a more compelling argument for Destroy.

So much this, if those minds are indeed aware, that is not life, it is a twisted horrific perversion of life and they deserve to finally rest in peace. No matter the consequences destroying the reapers is worth it.

[GeneralMoskvin_2.0]

Han Shot First wrote...

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

No.

According to Legion, the Reapers are lifeforms too, much like the Geth. Not just tools. As the catalyst says, he is the EMBODIEMENT of the collective intelligence of the reapers. Much like inception, he is implanting thoughts to them. The catalyst is the badie. Not the reapers.

That's why I choose control. A big faqu to the starbrat, everybody lives.

Reapers die = Nope. Catalyst dies = Yeah.

Control and Synthesis keep those organic minds trapped in their prisons. Destroy finally gives them the peace they deserve.

As Shepard once said....

"They are dead. They died thousands of years ago."

I for one do not see a problem with this. It's similar to the Americans picking up the German V-2 rockets at the end of WWII. Those had the blood of concentration camp prisoners all over them, but still, not taking them would not change this.

If you do everything to sweet-talk destroy, kay, it's up to you. As I stated above, avoiding an ending with a non-zero probability of going horribly wrong is justifiable. 

Zazzerka has it right.

One of the prime arguments used against Destroy is that the Reapers are enslaved lifeforms. The irony of that viewpoint is that if the organic minds used to create the Reapers are still 'alive' and trapped within those monstrosities, it is a more compelling argument for Destroy.

I think we are talking past eachother.

[Phatose]

If they're minds, don't you think maybe you should ask them first?

[GeneralMoskvin_2.0]

Phatose wrote...

If they're minds, don't you think maybe you should ask them first?

Yes, I do think so.

But there remains one question. How?

[Reorte]

Yes, but I would be even more annoyed at an even more forced, unconvincing arbitrary decision.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...


 I guess if the asari would die instead of synthetics

Now there's an ending I can work with!


Starbrat: You can totally destroy us.

Shepard: What? Awesome!

Starbrat: But doing so will also destroy your precious asari!

Shepard: *starts walking to the destroy tube*

Starbrat: No! You have to feel sad!

Shepard:

Modifié par Grand Admiral Cheesecake, 16 mai 2013 - 06:05 .

[GeneralMoskvin_2.0]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...


 I guess if the asari would die instead of synthetics

Now there's an ending I can work with!

Oh my. You. Give me a hug. Now.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...


 I guess if the asari would die instead of synthetics

Now there's an ending I can work with!

Oh my. You. Give me a hug. Now.

[mopotter]

I would have raged almost as much, when I realized there were no other options, though it would have been better than what was offered.

With the amount of time I spent investing my emotions into this series, the characters, the story, the number of hours, days and years I played ME1 and 2, I would have still been enraged that they didn't include one, just one ending where Shepard survived with some of the team intact. Not a body that could barely be seen in the rubble, but a specific - yes Shepard survived with LI and/or some friends.

edit -  I don't totally hate the other endings much.   I had a Shepard who picked one for some reason, but if Shepard was able to have Tali and Legion co-operate in ME2 there should have been an option to save both the quarian and geth in ME3 while you destroyed the reapers.    I  hate having spent so much time doing something that didn't make a bit of difference in the final game.  Destroy is the only option for most of  my Shepards who have worked towards this since 2007.  EC and DLC help a little.  Mod ending will help more.

Modifié par mopotter, 16 mai 2013 - 06:32 .

[Samtheman63]

nah my shepards life is worth more than wires and circuits

[Ecrulis]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...


 I guess if the asari would die instead of synthetics

Now there's an ending I can work with!

Oh my. You. Give me a hug. Now.

Off topic, I never really understood peoples rabid hate for the Asari 

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Ecrulis wrote...


Off topic, I never really understood peoples rabid hate for the Asari 

More mild annoyance than anything else really.

[Ecrulis]

Not really refering to you specifically, more people that "would love to see the Asari killed off" I just don't understand that level of hate for a fictional character that isnt a villain.

[Only-Twin]

Well, the asari did hoard prothean knowledge and made no effort to understand most of the advancements they made due to it.

[AresKeith]

Only-Twin wrote...

Well, the asari did hoard prothean knowledge and made no effort to understand most of the advancements they made due to it.

But that's more towards the Asari government than the Asari themselves, which applies to every government really