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[RedJohn]

Why do all the other AIU I've seen are still using shotguns (with slower reload time)? Don't people know about teamwork and CryoExplosions anymore?

first of all, welcome to BSN, here you will learn that in fact you didn't know anything about the game.

Second, AIU is an infiltrator with a shotgun evolution on TC.

So if you take Damage evolution instead of duration ( because duration is useless ) and then you take the shotgun evo you will deal A LOT of damage in a single shot, mainly with Claymore.

Also, weight doesn't matter too much with infiltrators.

[Thatlalala]

Paladin. Prime, Detonate + Chain combos. Uhhh and if you make him red and blue he looks like The Captain.

[Creator Limbs]

Beerfish wrote...

prostheticlimbs wrote...


This is the single most annoying thing I've ever read. Whenever I get an AIU in the game that ONLY SNAP FREEZES, they get kicked out of the game instantly afterwards. I don't care how 'helpful' you think you're being.

I assume you also kick out all flamers, shockwavers, FQE, etc etc etc .  What is the problem with spamming snap freeze? 

No, I do not. Nice assumption.

[RxP4IN]

An infiltrator weak on offense? An infiltrator w/ Shotgun bonuses? An infiltrator w/ crazy area debuff? An infiltrator w/ ridiculous speed and up-time? WEAK ON OFFENSE? AN INFILTRATOR???

Ok, went a little far. But seriously OP, after 500 hours....really? Even on paper the class is insane.

[Misteltein]

Trolling? So much wasted potential, heh.

You could try this build: narida.pytalhost.com/me3/classes/#Infiltrator/AllianceInfiltrationUnit/PMQNA/ATRaider10BH5AP5//ShotgunRailAmp3/AdrenalineModule3/ShockTrooperUpgrade5/

The 6th evo on repair matrix is questionable, but it's what I'm using at the moment. Sometimes randoms act like headless chickens, sometimes they decide they don't want to be your detonation slave. If you try using everything this character has to offer, you will be awesome and independent and you won't have to come to the forums to complain.

[oO Stryfe Oo]

I know lots of people who actively avoid Snap Freeze spammers. Not sure why. Personally, I pug a lot. If I'm following you around, it's only because I think you're the weakest link, and need me to guard/support you. If I see you're even half decent with an Infiltrator, I think you'll be fine off on your own while I support the more fragile squaddies.

The only time I focus on the finer things like combo detonations and tag teaming is when all of the team members look up to par. Otherwise, I'm that guy making a beeline for the blue crosses.

[Ziegrif]

I usually just forget I even have snap freeze,
Then at wave 9 I suddenly remember it and spam it like crazy... then forget it again.

[Original Twigman]

if pug AIUs/Paladin's actually spammed snap freeze they'd be more useful... but they are usually too dumb, and just want to A) set off their own ineffective TEs, or don't realize that snap freeze has more potential then they do

[lightswitch]

RedJohn wrote...

Why do all the other AIU I've seen are still using shotguns (with slower reload time)? Don't people know about teamwork and CryoExplosions anymore?

first of all, welcome to BSN, here you will learn that in fact you didn't know anything about the game.

Second, AIU is an infiltrator with a shotgun evolution on TC.

So if you take Damage evolution instead of duration ( because duration is useless ) and then you take the shotgun evo you will deal A LOT of damage in a single shot, mainly with Claymore.

Also, weight doesn't matter too much with infiltrators.

It's like 6000+ damage from a single Claymore X shot to be more exact. And you can still spam SF every four seconds or so.

[ComradeShepard7]

I use snap freeze because of the debuff. The potential for explosions is just a good secondary effect for me.

[Feylyaa]

Ok, that was interesting reading your comments.Thanks for almost everyone inputs.

First of, 100% combo doesn't work? Why am I not surprised... I'll keep it anyway, just in case...

Second, I don't like guns. I personaly think that if I need to play as a gunner, I'll play another game, not one where you can have special powers. Which I why I mentionned I didn't think AIU was strong on offense. I'm just never too good with guns (well besides TI with harrier). Especially shotguns, which aren't elegant at all. But strong, I'll admit.

Third, Again, this is a teamwork game. Sure, paladin can combo chain, but it's much faster with anotehr team member doing it for you? But yeah, I'm pretty weak if no one is there to detonate. Again, I'd play another game if I had wanted to be a Lone wolf (or I'd solo missions).

Fourth, sorry for spawming snap freeze, but we all hate when someone else is using this or that tactics. So long as it doesn't involve others being killed or slowing down the pace of the mission, I guess we'll have to live with it.

Fifth... why are people always so angry?

[megawug]

Feylyaa, if you prefer less gun play, I'd recommend the human engineer. I use her with the Falcon for fire explosions and tech bursts. Nothing you can't kill with electricity and fire.

Modifié par megawug, 16 mai 2013 - 08:07 .

[Kalas Magnus]

People don't like to work as a team for some reason.

A mic and friends would help.

[Original Twigman]

Feylyaa wrote...

Ok, that was interesting reading your comments.Thanks for almost everyone inputs.

First of, 100% combo doesn't work? Why am I not surprised... I'll keep it anyway, just in case...

Second, I don't like guns. I personaly think that if I need to play as a gunner, I'll play another game, not one where you can have special powers. Which I why I mentionned I didn't think AIU was strong on offense. I'm just never too good with guns (well besides TI with harrier). Especially shotguns, which aren't elegant at all. But strong, I'll admit.

Third, Again, this is a teamwork game. Sure, paladin can combo chain, but it's much faster with anotehr team member doing it for you? But yeah, I'm pretty weak if no one is there to detonate. Again, I'd play another game if I had wanted to be a Lone wolf (or I'd solo missions).

Fourth, sorry for spawming snap freeze, but we all hate when someone else is using this or that tactics. So long as it doesn't involve others being killed or slowing down the pace of the mission, I guess we'll have to live with it.

Fifth... why are people always so angry?

1st... keeping it "just in case" is a really dumb idea, considering that it won't ever do anything and its a waste of 6 points...

2nd... of course you just want to spam powers, because thats what scrubs do in this game and thats why they remain scrubs. If you are having fun doing that, great. Just don't be surprised if you get kicked from lobbies because you didn't do anything but spam snap freeze

3rd. whats the point of what you said? teammates are only useful if they see themselves as teammates and not competitors

4th. who cares if you spam snap freeze. Maybe you'll actually be useful rather than the AIU that does nothing but shoot/miss and die

5th, why do you care? their anger will never reach you outside of these emotionless texts to which you infer meaning

[parico]

Feylyaa wrote...
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Fifth... why are people always so angry?

welcome to bsn we are all very pasionate here. 


I blame bioware for the lack of teamwork they discouraged camping and using strategies to win.  Its also a game were people have different skill levels and knowledge of the game.   Not everyone knows that snap freeze followed by overload or the krogan warlords tech hammer destroys enemies.  Helping you get a kill means they don't and many are point hoards.  I do detonate when I can but I stopped actually caring if I topped the board long ago.      

[ComradeShepard7]

Feylyaa wrote...

Ok, that was interesting reading your comments.Thanks for almost everyone inputs.

First of, 100% combo doesn't work? Why am I not surprised... I'll keep it anyway, just in case...

Second, I don't like guns. I personaly think that if I need to play as a gunner, I'll play another game, not one where you can have special powers. Which I why I mentionned I didn't think AIU was strong on offense. I'm just never too good with guns (well besides TI with harrier). Especially shotguns, which aren't elegant at all. But strong, I'll admit.

Third, Again, this is a teamwork game. Sure, paladin can combo chain, but it's much faster with anotehr team member doing it for you? But yeah, I'm pretty weak if no one is there to detonate. Again, I'd play another game if I had wanted to be a Lone wolf (or I'd solo missions).

Fourth, sorry for spawming snap freeze, but we all hate when someone else is using this or that tactics. So long as it doesn't involve others being killed or slowing down the pace of the mission, I guess we'll have to live with it.

Fifth... why are people always so angry?

As people have already said there is no reason to take the combo bonus evolution because it has been confirmed to do nothing. However, snap freeze is also bugged in that combos that are primed by it already do 100% more damage than they were supposed to so that evolution is essentially built in to the power.

While this game certainly has all kinds of special powers, it also has crazy guns such as shotguns that shoot electricity or grenades, and a sniper rifle that fires rebar. With the tactical cloak bonus to shotgun damage and the fact that you have to be close in to use snap freeze, why not use a shotgun. Several of them can still be very effective at range especailly if you use a smart choke.

I am perfectly fine with people constantly priming explosions but the real team benefit that can come from snap freeze is debuffing so that everyone can do additional damage to a target. Combos aren't the only way to work together in this game. Now if you have someone with chain overload running with you, by all means snap freeze at anything and everything so that the extra 100% combo damage can be fully used.

[Beerfish]

prostheticlimbs wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

prostheticlimbs wrote...


This is the single most annoying thing I've ever read. Whenever I get an AIU in the game that ONLY SNAP FREEZES, they get kicked out of the game instantly afterwards. I don't care how 'helpful' you think you're being.

I assume you also kick out all flamers, shockwavers, FQE, etc etc etc .  What is the problem with spamming snap freeze? 

No, I do not. Nice assumption.

You never answered the follow up question.  Why is Snap freeze so horrible compared to the ones I listed?

[Ziegrif]

Feylyaa wrote...
Fifth... why are people always so angry?

BECAUSE THAT CONTRACT IS SOMEWHERE IN THOSE DAMN FILES!!

Always thought BSN subscribed to the Nic Cage school of RAGE!!

Modifié par Ziegrif, 16 mai 2013 - 08:30 .

[DcIhNaGv3z]

Hendrix4tw wrote...

Snap Freeze + Tac Cloak + Claymore Shot ==> Reload Cancel ==> Claymore ==> Rinse, Repeat? Overload just helps out.

You should not cast snap freeze from outside the cloak. If you cast from inside the cloak you will 1) gain the damage bonus from cloak, and 2) protect your power recharge.

For mooks
cloak --> snap freeze --> shoot, repeat

For bosses
cloak --> snap freeze --> shoot --> cloak --> shoot, repeat

[Dimlor]

Feylyaa wrote...

Ok, that was interesting reading your comments.Thanks for almost everyone inputs.

First of, 100% combo doesn't work? Why am I not surprised... I'll keep it anyway, just in case...

Second, I don't like guns. I personaly think that if I need to play as a gunner, I'll play another game, not one where you can have special powers. Which I why I mentionned I didn't think AIU was strong on offense. I'm just never too good with guns (well besides TI with harrier). Especially shotguns, which aren't elegant at all. But strong, I'll admit.

Third, Again, this is a teamwork game. Sure, paladin can combo chain, but it's much faster with anotehr team member doing it for you? But yeah, I'm pretty weak if no one is there to detonate. Again, I'd play another game if I had wanted to be a Lone wolf (or I'd solo missions).

Fourth, sorry for spawming snap freeze, but we all hate when someone else is using this or that tactics. So long as it doesn't involve others being killed or slowing down the pace of the mission, I guess we'll have to live with it.

Fifth... why are people always so angry?

But Infiltrators are a gunner class. They are basically soldiers that can proficently use tech powers to debuff enemies and assasinate them with spike damage.
Except for the Asari and maybe the Male Quarian infiltrators.

[Creator Limbs]

Beerfish wrote...

prostheticlimbs wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

prostheticlimbs wrote...


This is the single most annoying thing I've ever read. Whenever I get an AIU in the game that ONLY SNAP FREEZES, they get kicked out of the game instantly afterwards. I don't care how 'helpful' you think you're being.

I assume you also kick out all flamers, shockwavers, FQE, etc etc etc .  What is the problem with spamming snap freeze? 

No, I do not. Nice assumption.

You never answered the follow up question.  Why is Snap freeze so horrible compared to the ones I listed?

if I'm being completely honest, I get tired of seeing someone snap freezing the same enemy a million times until finally someone sets off their explosion. If snap freeze did more initial damage, maybe I'd be okay with it but like I said the major problem here is the lack of damage being done. Flamer does massive dot damage. Shockwave can set off all kinds of explosions (and the way that most people seem to spec it, it doesn't knock the enemy on their ass), most FQEs that I've seen follow cryo blast with incinerate and set off their own explosions (not to mention use their freakin' gun).

I want to get through the match as quickly as possible and having one person on the team (or two people, as I recently experienced) just snap freezing everything does not help to accomplish this. Especially if there's no one on the team to set off their cryo explosions.

[Miniditka77]

Feylyaa wrote...

I was quite happy when AIU was released even though I first thought it was OP on the defense side, it lacked strenght on the offense. 

WHAAAAAA?  80% damage bonus plus an additional 25% damage bonus to the best weapons class in the game?  Not sure how you could think it lacked anything offensively.  I suppose the AIU is no better than any other infiltrator if you don't have any Rare level shotguns....

[cronshaw]

Deerber wrote...

Because if I don't know you, I'd rather be on the other side of the map from where you are. Nothing personal.

Amen

[Dunvi]

also screenshake

[lightswitch]

also doing nothing but detonating other peoples primes is boring