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[dreamgazer]

Seboist wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

You guys are missing the biggest contrivance in ME1; that dude sleeping behind boxes identifying Saren. If not for that then Saren gets away with everything and we don't have Mass Effect 1 at all.

Lol, desperately trying to slander ME1 to prop that POS ME3 I see. Yeah, big "contrivance" that there was a survivor that spotted him after coming across a bunch of others.

Dude, that was totally tongue-in-cheek.

[MegaSovereign]

Bioware's pen is the biggest DEM. I mean think about it the plot wouldn't exist if it were not for it.

[CronoDragoon]

dreamgazer wrote...

Dude, that was totally tongue-in-cheek.

It sort of is and sort of isn't. It's definitely a coincidence that Saren is only revealed because some dude decided to shirk duty and take a nap behind the boxes and that none of the geth/Saren checked the area. Since it's a coincidence that bails out the good guys I think it's a contrivance.

Of course, I didn't really care it was a contrivance at the time because I was enjoying the story. My point is that contrivances are EVERYWHERE, and that whether or not they bother you usually comes down to other factors.

[SpamBot2000]

Well yeah, I mean it's not like any of this is a faitfhful transcript of what happened. Some writer made it up. But some stuff we are willing to suspend disbelief for, and some we are not. It's the writer's art to come up with stuff that works for us. It helps when the writer doesn't just take for granted that any old crap will fly because he's BioWar damn it.

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 17 mai 2013 - 06:25 .

[TheProtheans]

CronoDragoon wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

dreamgazer is a god awful poster like that.
It's like everyday he trying more and more to be worse.

Yeah, no. Maybe the fact that he doesn't automatically take a side depending on his view of the ending confuses you?

Who is talking about the ending?

[wolfhowwl]

No.

Bioware mostly stuck to their guns with the extended cut.

They expanded upon the existing endings only making a few changes (relays exploding). They didn't write new endings and they certainly didn't do anything awful like adopt a certain fan "theory."

Modifié par wolfhowwl, 17 mai 2013 - 06:33 .

[dreamgazer]

TheProtheans wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

dreamgazer is a god awful poster like that.
It's like everyday he trying more and more to be worse.

Yeah, no. Maybe the fact that he doesn't automatically take a side depending on his view of the ending confuses you?

Who is talking about the ending?

Who's talking about anything but varied flaws in the writing, which exist in all the games?

I love ME1, and I think the writing has gradually depreciated in quality since then, but that won't keep me from picking at it in the same way we all pick at ME2 and ME3---and there are some similar issues.  

[CronoDragoon]

TheProtheans wrote...

Who is talking about the ending?

Nobody, but it is an aspect of hist posting with which you are undoubtedly familiar, since you feel qualified to flame his worth as a poster.

[TheProtheans]

dreamgazer wrote...

Where would the plot be without Vigil, or if the conduit had shut down a half hour earlier?

Would Shepard and crew just hop into that thing without any explanation on what it does, where it goes, or how stable it is?

This is the kind of stuff trolls do.
Asking silly questions about the integrity of the ME1 story and universe just for the sake for driving attention away from awful stuff that happened later.
Wondering how Shepard survives when he doesn't eat has the same premise, just don't do it.
It's stupid, and if you're going to do it, post a thread solely about this kind of content.
Don't be leaving your crap all over the forum.

It keeps getting worse each day.
I'm not even sure what mindset one has to be in to ask these questions.

Modifié par TheProtheans, 17 mai 2013 - 06:43 .

[dreamgazer]

TheProtheans wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Where would the plot be without Vigil, or if the conduit had shut down a half hour earlier?

Would Shepard and crew just hop into that thing without any explanation on what it does, where it goes, or how stable it is?

This is the kind of stuff trolls do.

-snip-

No, they're actually reasonable questions if you care to think about them, kid.

[MegaSovereign]

ME1 had the best narrative pacing but I wouldn't say it had the best writing. Most of the characters were essentially walking Codex entries.

[SpamBot2000]

That just goes with being Episode 1.

[TheProtheans]

CronoDragoon wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

Who is talking about the ending?

Nobody, but it is an aspect of hist posting with which you are undoubtedly familiar, since you feel qualified to flame his worth as a poster.

I haven't had much experience with his posting, just over the last days all I see is crap again and again coming out from him.

[dreamgazer]

TheProtheans wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

Who is talking about the ending?

Nobody, but it is an aspect of hist posting with which you are undoubtedly familiar, since you feel qualified to flame his worth as a poster.

I haven't had much experience with his posting, just over the last days all I see is crap again and again coming out from him.

Sweetheart, I've seen your posts.  You have very, very little room to talk.

[CronoDragoon]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

That just goes with being Episode 1.

I don't buy that. DA Origins had great character dialogue, imo.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 17 mai 2013 - 06:51 .

[MegaSovereign]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

That just goes with being Episode 1.

Javik and Mordin were incredibly well written and yet they happened to be info dumps.

For ME2 and ME3, Bioware brought in writers like John Dombrow who were really talented in terms of character writing.

[The Night Mammoth]

Yeah, you're nothing but a dirty troll, dreamgazer, what with your amiable demeanor, and your relatively neutral and consistent outlook on things.

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 17 mai 2013 - 06:50 .

[SpamBot2000]

CronoDragoon wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

That just goes with being Episode 1.

I don't buy that. DA Origins had very memorable characters.

Hey, nobody's saying the ME1 cast wasn't memorable. Just that maybe they were a little heavy on info. And that's understandable, because it was a new Universe.

[SpamBot2000]

MegaSovereign wrote...

For ME2 and ME3, Bioware brought in writers like John Dombrow who were really talented in terms of character writing.

Yeah, he seems pretty talented. For some reason people call Mac Walters a good character writer, but really, teaching Dirty Garry to Go By The Book is not super deep or original. That character had more going for it than writing, and markedly improved when someone else took over.

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 17 mai 2013 - 06:57 .

[TheProtheans]

dreamgazer wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Where would the plot be without Vigil, or if the conduit had shut down a half hour earlier?

Would Shepard and crew just hop into that thing without any explanation on what it does, where it goes, or how stable it is?

This is the kind of stuff trolls do.

-snip-

No, they're actually reasonable questions if you care to think about them, kid.

The second maybe but not really, if you understand Shepard at all and you know it is a Mass relay and you know  Shepard has stop Saren as the mission must be completed at all costs.
The question is a bit ridiculous.
Shepard isn't going to back down, if Saren goes somewhere Shepard follows.
Even better if he get's there first.

It's a question that really doesn't need to be ask.
And you asking makes me think you don't understand the seriousness of Shepard's mission.
Or are just attacking integrity of the game for no reason other than Mass effect 3 was generally considered bad by many.
Or you're somewhat new to Mass effect, I don't think you're so it must be one of the other two.


I ain't even going to respond to ending part, as I would do it myself to troll people.
At least I know you're somewhat of a troll.

[MegaSovereign]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

For ME2 and ME3, Bioware brought in writers like John Dombrow who were really talented in terms of character writing.

Yeah, he seems pretty talented. For some reason people call Mac Walters a good character writer, but really, teaching Dirty Garry to Go By The Book is not super deep or original. That character had more going for it than writing.

At least Garrus had some character development. It was wiped clean at the beginning of ME2 where he basically goes rogue anyway.

He wrote Wrex's history with Aria/Aleena. That's why I think he's a "good" character writer.

[Clayless]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

What is your point in this situation?

Is it that you think I'm defending ME3 by pointing out that Vigil in ME1 is a DEM? How would that defend ME3? You can't say that that I'm saying they're somehow "equally crappy", as that would be a direct contradiction to the very post you quoted.

Or is it that you think if someone was defending ME3, pointing that out would therefore be all you need to do to protect ME1 from criticism? Rather than an actual defense?

Yes, I think that's what you are doing. I don't know why you think that's such a good defense, but you keep doing it nonetheless. Maybe you are just arguing for low standards in general.

And I'm not really "protecting" ME1 from criticism. You can mail your opinion on it to everyone concerned for all I care. Just stop trying to throw it in front of the criticism ME3 so richly deserves on the ME3 forum.

Like I said, how would that defend ME3?

[TheProtheans]

dreamgazer wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

Who is talking about the ending?

Nobody, but it is an aspect of hist posting with which you are undoubtedly familiar, since you feel qualified to flame his worth as a poster.

I haven't had much experience with his posting, just over the last days all I see is crap again and again coming out from him.

Sweetheart, I've seen your posts.  You have very, very little room to talk.

I take pride in my posting, it is aimed to remind people of what happened.
If the forums stopped talking about it then Bioware will forget what they did wrong.

[SpamBot2000]

MegaSovereign wrote...

At least Garrus had some character development. It was wiped clean at the beginning of ME2 where he basically goes rogue anyway.

He wrote Wrex's history with Aria/Aleena. That's why I think he's a "good" character writer.

That was still him writing Garrus in ME2, right?