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[EpicBoot2daFace]

"Damn entitled gamers. They're so privileged!" *opens a free review copy of ME3*

Here's how I feel about the whole thing. I paid $60 for Mass Effect 3. That guy probably got 12 free copies of the game. Therefore, I think I'm far more entitled to speak my mind on the subject than he is. Furthermore, writing and signing online petitions isn't going to hurt anyone, much less this multi-billion dollar game industry. He feels that anyone who has a different opinion (other than the ending being great) should just shut their mouths and deal with it. I ****ing hate people like him and he's one of the reasons why I don't bother with IGN anymore. Look at that picture. Just screams "games journalism has integrity!" doesn't it?

Paying customers have every right in the world to go on these forums, send e-mails, leave messages on Facebook and Twitter, it doesn't matter what it is, they have the right to say whether or not they're satisfied with their product that they paid $60 for. Period. If you have a problem with that, well, go beat your head against a wall, because it ain't changing anytime soon.

Finally, I think demanding game developers to change their ending of their game is wrong. In fact, I think demanding any company to change their product just because you're not happy with it is wrong. The way that people should have gone about is by asking and leaving personal reviews and advice on forums like this one. Asking is a lot nicer than demanding and you're more likely to get what you want.

Modifié par EpicBoot2daFace, 17 mai 2013 - 12:35 .

[The Night Mammoth]

magnetite wrote...

The real problem with this ending is the fans.

BioWare clearly didn't think so.

The Night Mammoth wrote...
Also, Hudson said nothing about common sense in relation to the ending, in that article. 

You sure about that?

"I think a lot of the common sense is prevailing," Hudson told Digital Trends.

Ha, he doesn't say anything about common sense in relation to the endings in that article either.

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 17 mai 2013 - 12:36 .

[IntelligentME3Fanboy]

 

[dreamgazer]

Tron Mega wrote...

i miss the days when mass effect was good.

There are conflicting reports on where that begins and ends.

I guess we can all agree that the one with the asari-cloning plant and the last-minute, plot-resolving prototype relay is the "good one", right?

[Jafroboy]

Lt Davo wrote...

The bad precedent was the original ending.

And EC didnt even change the endings. Thats what people WANTED, but they didnt get, EC just did what it said it would, EXTENDED the same endings.

[KingZayd]

dreamgazer wrote...

Tron Mega wrote...

i miss the days when mass effect was good.

There are conflicting reports on where that begins and ends.

I guess we can all agree that the one with the asari-cloning plant and the last-minute, plot-resolving prototype relay is the "good one", right?

yes

[Clayless]

dreamgazer wrote...

Tron Mega wrote...

i miss the days when mass effect was good.

There are conflicting reports on where that begins and ends.

I guess we can all agree that the one with the asari-cloning plant and the last-minute, plot-resolving prototype relay is the "good one", right?

Don't forget the info dump Deus Ex Machina, Vigil.

[Excella Gionne]

Lenimph wrote...

Extended cut wasn't made for the whiners... most of the whiners are still whining today.

So no I don't think its a bad precedent that the devs decided to fix what they knew needed to be fixed to their own specifications.

I totally agree. The first endings weren't explained at all, and the Catalyst did not give enough information on every one of the endings. The Extended Cut offered more explanation and outcome according to the ending you chose. I mean, if people hate the EC so much then why won't they just delete it and stay with the original and stay angry? I mean, with Shepard living in the end of High EMS Destroy, I think Bioware wanted the fans to continue their own Shepard story from there on making it themselves. If you're an artist, you probably might have more fun with visualization. I don't think Shepard should have survived the ending at all, because it just doesn't make sense and that's where the load of B.S. started anyways.

[AresKeith]

magnetite wrote...

I don't know. Some people think that because they paid $60 means that they have the right to be satisfied. Or that since they spent 200+ hours playing a game series, that it automatically entitles them to anything they want.

The real definition of a loyal fan is someone who keeps supporting Bioware and buying their stuff no matter what happens. These people who were handed an Extended Cut made by Bioware themselves specifically for them to provide a little more closure and a few less plot holes, and then turning around and saying stuff like "not good enough" "I need more closure, or less plot holes" aren't loyal fans in the slightest.

One of the reasons this place was stated to be increasingly toxic by someone who works for them. They also went on to say that the BSN is not the only place they get their feedback from. They have met plenty of people who hold Mass Effect 3 and it's ending in high praise, instead of people around here who continue to be bitter about the thing.

At this point, those people are disgruntled customers who have nothing better to do than to spend day in and day out talking about how much they were disappointed. At the end of the day, it's just a game. There are more important things in life to worry about.

The fact that you tried to pull the "loyal fan" crap makes this whole statement fall over itself

I've seen you on here before calling people close minded for not accepting the ending as IT, and you probably still do

[Clayless]

Generally you can criticise the games, they're not free from criticism, but I always feel that if you're going to criticise something you have to put forward some good alternative that can stand up to the same level of critique. Generally you don't see that much on BSN.

And yeah BSN does have a large case of "previous fans". Really, if the ending ruined the enjoyment of the entire series for you, then it's time to move on.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

magnetite wrote...

Finally, I think demanding game developers to change their ending of their game is wrong. In fact, I think demanding any company to change their product just because you're not happy with it is wrong. The way that people should have gone about is by asking and leaving personal reviews and advice on forums like this one. Asking is a lot nicer than demanding and you're more likely to get what you want.

I don't know. Some people think that because they paid $60 means that they have the right to be satisfied. Or that since they spent 200+ hours playing a game series, that it automatically entitles them to anything they want.

The real definition of a loyal fan is someone who keeps supporting Bioware and buying their stuff no matter what happens. These people who were handed an Extended Cut made by Bioware themselves specifically for them to provide a little more closure and a few less plot holes, and then turning around and saying stuff like "not good enough" "I need more closure, or less plot holes" aren't loyal fans in the slightest.

One of the reasons this place was stated to be increasingly toxic by someone who works for them. They also went on to say that the BSN is not the only place they get their feedback from. They have met plenty of people who hold Mass Effect 3 and it's ending in high praise, instead of people around here who continue to be bitter about the thing.

At this point, those people are disgruntled customers who have nothing better to do than to spend day in and day out talking about how much they were disappointed. At the end of the day, it's just a game. There are more important things in life to worry about.

Those fans who really believe that are deluded and should probably be ignored. Those type of people are always out to find something to complain about in their favorite games and other media.

You're definition of what a loyal fan is could be completely different from somebody else's definition. I would argue that what you just described is a blind fanboy. Still, those fans have every right to continue to say they are not satisfied with the product. The EC clearly didn't fix what they felt was fundamentally wrong with the endings.

Yes, I believe it was David Gaider who said that and I think he's correct. The froum is still full of people who are very bitter and aren't on good terms with BioWare. I try to ignore these people and focus on discussing things and starting topics that are related to the games. I still play them.

Modifié par EpicBoot2daFace, 17 mai 2013 - 01:23 .

[KingZayd]

magnetite wrote...

Finally, I think demanding game developers to change their ending of their game is wrong. In fact, I think demanding any company to change their product just because you're not happy with it is wrong. The way that people should have gone about is by asking and leaving personal reviews and advice on forums like this one. Asking is a lot nicer than demanding and you're more likely to get what you want.

I don't know. Some people think that because they paid $60 means that they have the right to be satisfied. Or that since they spent 200+ hours playing a game series, that it automatically entitles them to anything they want.

The real definition of a loyal fan is someone who keeps supporting Bioware and buying their stuff no matter what happens. These people who were handed an Extended Cut made by Bioware themselves specifically for them to provide a little more closure and a few less plot holes, and then turning around and saying stuff like "not good enough" "I need more closure, or less plot holes" aren't loyal fans in the slightest.

One of the reasons this place was stated to be increasingly toxic by someone who works for them. They also went on to say that the BSN is not the only place they get their feedback from. They have met plenty of people who hold Mass Effect 3 and it's ending in high praise, instead of people around here who continue to be bitter about the thing.

At this point, those people are disgruntled customers who have nothing better to do than to spend day in and day out talking about how much they were disappointed. At the end of the day, it's just a game. There are more important things in life to worry about.

That's the definition of a moron. Ultimately, Bioware provide a service. If you're satisfied with that service, then that's good for you. If you're not, then only an idiot would keep supporting them "no matter what". 

[KingZayd]

Robosexual wrote...

Generally you can criticise the games, they're not free from criticism, but I always feel that if you're going to criticise something you have to put forward some good alternative that can stand up to the same level of critique. Generally you don't see that much on BSN.

And yeah BSN does have a large case of "previous fans". Really, if the ending ruined the enjoyment of the entire series for you, then it's time to move on.

So because we don't have the budget/time to make a better game our opinions are invalid?

[GreyLycanTrope]

magnetite wrote...
I don't know. Some people think that because they paid $60 means that they have the right to be satisfied. Or that since they spent 200+ hours playing a game series, that it automatically entitles them to anything they want.

The real definition of a loyal fan is someone who keeps supporting Bioware and buying their stuff no matter what happens. These people who were handed an Extended Cut made by Bioware themselves specifically for them to provide a little more closure and a few less plot holes (perceived plot holes not actual plot holes). The stuff people are complaining about is not a plot hole), and then turning around and saying stuff like "not good enough" "I need more closure, or less plot holes" aren't loyal fans in the slightest.

One of the reasons this place was stated to be increasingly toxic by someone who works for them. They also went on to say that the BSN is not the only place they get their feedback from. They have met plenty of people who hold Mass Effect 3 and it's ending in high praise, instead of people around here who continue to be bitter about the thing.

At this point, those people are disgruntled customers who have nothing better to do than to spend day in and day out talking about how much they were disappointed. At the end of the day, it's just a game. There are more important things in life to worry about.

I have no interest in becoming a sycophant, I'll support the works which I feel reflect the quality of their previous efforts, not because it bares a brand name.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 17 mai 2013 - 01:29 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

dreamgazer wrote...

Tron Mega wrote...

i miss the days when mass effect was good.

There are conflicting reports on where that begins and ends.

I guess we can all agree that the one with the asari-cloning plant and the last-minute, plot-resolving prototype relay is the "good one", right?

It was "a good one" but not "the good one". I think the one where we attacked the Collectors and explored the galaxy outside the shade of common morality was even better.

[KingZayd]

magnetite wrote...

AresKeith wrote...
The fact that you tried to pull the "loyal fan" crap makes this whole statement fall over itself

I've seen you on here before calling people close minded for not accepting the ending as IT, and you probably still do

I didn't even mention IT. Sheesh. You know at this point, if you're still not satisfied with this game, deal with it. Move on. If people are still going on about this thing a year after release, you've got issues. You need a big time reality check. It's just a game. If you get this upset over things in real life, I suggest you go seek professional help or something. This is a video game, not real life.

When I buy something that doesn't work, I go to the store and get myself a refund. Problem solved. Most reasonable people would do so. I don't go on about this like some people here for almost a year demanding that something be fixed. Some customers just aren't worth keeping, and people around here aren't worth Bioware's time or money to try and please.

I'm not sure why you're bringing up refunds. Is Bioware offering?

[IntelligentME3Fanboy]

#masseffectnerds.Trending worldwide on twitter

[dreamgazer]

Amazon offered refunds on opened copies of ME3, which isn't an uncommon occurrence for them.

[AresKeith]

magnetite wrote...

AresKeith wrote...
The fact that you tried to pull the "loyal fan" crap makes this whole statement fall over itself

I've seen you on here before calling people close minded for not accepting the ending as IT, and you probably still do

I didn't even mention IT. Sheesh. You know at this point, if you're still not satisfied with this game, deal with it. Move on. If people are still going on about this thing a year after release, you've got issues. You need a big time reality check. It's just a game. If you get this upset over things in real life, I suggest you go seek professional help or something. This is a video game, not real life.

When I buy something that doesn't work, I go to the store and get myself a refund. Problem solved. Most reasonable people would do so. I don't go on about this like some people here for almost a year demanding that something be fixed. Some customers just aren't worth keeping, and people around here aren't worth Bioware's time or money to try and please.

I've already moved on from the ending and I'm still on BSN because I choose to, but that doesn't change how people feel about them. Most of the new threads about the ending are usually from new players or people who just joined BSN

But if the topic about the endings shows up, of course people are going to say something about it

Your here talking about how a real fan should buy all Bioware's game regardless when that's not how being a fan is

[GreyLycanTrope]

That was Amazon not Bioware.

[KingZayd]

magnetite wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

I'm not sure why you're bringing up refunds. Is Bioware offering?

They were at one point, back maybe a month after release.

Unfortunately, they had announced the Extended Cut at that point. I gave them the benefit of the doubt, when I really should have cashed in. Anyway, that's no longer an option.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

dreamgazer wrote...

Amazon offered refunds on opened copies of ME3, which isn't an uncommon occurrence for them.

I remember when Amazon and Gamestop were actually refusing returns less than 2 weeks after release. They still don't accept them.