magnetite wrote...
@ drayfish
All I'm saying is you guys brought this on yourselves. Thing is, it just seems that I've been treated like some kind of outlaw on this forum ever since they locked "that" thread. Greeted with such contempt (funny, how people think I'm holding you in contempt...)
As for promises, like I said earlier. I've bought stuff where a salesmen made certain claims that turned out to be false, but I didn't hold them against the company like you guys did for almost than a year and a half.
Most reasonable people would be thankful for what they did with the Extended Cut. It didn't fix all the problems, but they were glad they made it. You guys on the other hand keep demanding more. Acting like a bunch of spoiled children. You aren't going to be satisfied until every single "promise" had been met.
So even if the ending did make some kind of sense, you'd probably hold these guys accountable for the next thing. Say, the fact that the ending doesn't take into account every single choice in the game, because you believed that's what they meant when they said "your choices would matter", that's the next thing on your list you're going to do.
I've worked with customers for quite a while, and I can tell you, that the customer isn't always right. Some customers will lie, cheat, steal, or make up stuff in order to get what they want. They aren't all princes or princesses as they claim to be. Or with the people here, twist Bioware's PR statements and create this unnecessary firestorm that went on for more than a year.
Such as when they said "your choices would affect the ending". Which they did, in the form of a simple EMS number, which went up or down based off of previous choices, which is how the game was supposed to work.
At the end, it took that number and plays a cutscene based off of what ending you picked. However, just because they couldn't *see* the choices, they felt like they were lied to. From a design point of view, to have a cutscene for every choice would be too costly. Even if this game had 100 different endings as opposed to 3, there is still a chance someone would get the same ending.
Sadly, a company which specializes in false advertising claims states they did not false advertise.
Or when Bioware said that the entire game is the ending, yet you guys only saw the last 5 minutes as the ending, and so you wanted them to retool it to take into account choices there because that's how you perceived their PR words.
Yet, that wasn't enough closure for you. People here kept going at it.
Hate to say it, you guys are hurting this industry, not helping. Doing more harm than good, and it'll only get worse, because other gamers and companies will take your example, and more games will have their endings and such changed, because of some "claim" that was made by someone who misread Bioware's PR statements or didn't have all the facts.
People around here act like they had nothing to do with this as if they are the victim, but people who are manipulative tend to do that. Just like manipulative people tend to misread PR statements and make up stuff in order to get what they want.
That's quite a lot of fantasised speculation and accusation you are throwing my way there, magnetite - telling me what
I have apparently said over the past year. Rather presumptuous of you.
Please find a single instance in which I have demanded that I am
owed a multiple choice ending that took account of my every choice. Please locate any moment in which I have complained that Bioware needs to be investigated by a better business bureau, or forced to pay back the money they were paid by their customers. Please point out where I have ever lied to, or cheated, or stolen anything from Bioware. Or any instance in which I considered myself a 'princess'. (...Dear me, you did get carried away with the hyperbole toward the end there, didn't you?) Indeed, find an instance where I claimed that I would be unsatisfied with a
single ending that had
no choices, as long as it was in some way coherent.
Your fantasy of what apparently 'my' complaints were bears no resemblance to
anything that I have ever spoken in the course of the past year - which (were you clearly not already walled behind your self-satisfied contempt at everyone who does not share your opinion) I would hope might make you wonder at just how many other people you have likewise dismissed unjustly.
So let me be clear, so that you can take a breath, and actually read my opinion free from the distortion of your rather giddy imagination:
My problems with the ending concerns the hateful, racist message that it sends about the hopelessness of tolerance and social cohesion - an opinion that I have every right to express, just as I believe you have the right (should you wish) to voice your reading of IT (even if I do not subscribe to it).
But - and this is the important bit -
Bioware owe me nothing.They are a business, and have decided to sell a product that I no longer want to purchase in future. And so, in that very real sense I have and continue to believe that
they do not owe me a thing.
I might find what they did to their fiction disgusting, and while I do believe that at times they ignored, belittled, and occasionally openly deceived their fan base, if that is how they want to conduct themselves as a business now, that is their prerogative and completely within their right. I will lament for what they once were, and all of the promise that they witlessly squandered, but they 'owe' me nothing, and I expect nothing more from them.
(It might well be nice of them to honour some of the promises they made when this furore first broke out - when the ending lit up the internet, many promises were made that when all of the chaos calmed down, when more people had played the game, the writers and developers would have a frank and open discussion with their fans about the ending. Such an open discussion has not taken place - but again, that is their right, if they wish to continue to avoid answering questions about what exactly their intent was. Indeed, as a devoted advocate of the IT I would think you might well appreciate such a frank discussion too...)
They have every right to behave as they have; as a consumer, an audience member, and a member of a nation that allows free speech, I likewise have every right to express my opinion, and to believe that there is little indication they have learned anything, or that they will be mindful not to do the same again in future. And while you have that right of free speech too (unless you want to talk about IT, apparently, but that is hardly my fault), it is incredibly arrogant, and unjust of you to presume to lump me in with some fantasy you've concocted of squawking, malcontent customers trying to tear the company down with spite.
In fact, for someone clucking his tongue with disappointment at fans who would make baseless accusations and jump to wrongheaded conclusions to satisfy their own narrow-minded opinion, you seem pretty comfortable reveling in such ignorance yourself.
Modifié par drayfish, 17 mai 2013 - 12:07 .
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