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[Phantom13NWN2]

So what are the chances that we will see a continuation of the Knight Captains story? Well... I know they are slim at this point.. But I'd like to hear you guys insights into this topic on what needs to happen in order for it actually .. uh.. happen. 

As the end of Motb goes.. "or wether you would depart to seek out a greater legacy still, that story.. is yet to be told..."

I dont know why I like NWN 2 so much, well.. I like the forgotten realms setting very much, and have become quite invested in the knight captains story, and at this moment there is no other story I would like too see continued more than this.( Despite the flaws of the OC, it has its moments)

I see many roads a sequel to motb could take, gain more power to the point of actually finishing the crusade, new antagonist, meet our former companions again, help Kaelyn regain her life/will by resuing the menagerie or whatever. Helping out Okku against a threat.

Ive read George Ziets' comments in an interview stating that "they" had an idea for a Divine level campaign. Although that interview was about a potential BG 3, it could be carried out in NWN 3/ MOTB 2 as well.

I think the biggest chance to see a continuation would be a kick starter campaign, I would certainly back it, even though Ive never backed one before. Its understand that Bioware and Obsidian wishes to create they're own "worlds" in Dragon age and Eternity, but I dont think DA comes close to the Forgotten realms setting... I dont think Eternity will either, though that remains to be seen..

So what are you guys thinking about this? Sorry for the long post... It got longer than I intended as I wrote..

Modifié par Phantom13NWN2, 17 mai 2013 - 02:08 .

[metatheurgist]

Chances are zero. NWN was a 3rd Ed game. WotC are doing everything they can to move focus from 3rd, they want focus on DnD Next. They won't be doing anything to remind people how popular that edition was compared to more recent efforts. The rights to DnD games don't belong to Bioware or Obsidian so they can't just do something themselves or KS a game. Now that Bio is part of EA, there might even be some corporate conflict (I'm guessing EA and Hasbro compete). Obsidian would love to do more but that would be up to whoever gets/has the license - don't know who that is now but since Cryptic has the job with NW MMO it implies that Obs is not on the radar.

[Phantom13NWN2]

Yes, well... I know chances are slim, but I can still hope. I know there is a new edition of DnD out. As I said, I think the best bet for a sequel is a kickstarter campaign. I also know, like you said, that there has been som disputes regarding licensing and stuff. The power of popular demand could be enough to "persuade" the people in charge to let Obsidian make a sequel. I dont know how much demand there is out there for a sequel though..

Anyone know if there are many people out there who desire a sequel?

Someone could start a "sort of kickstarter campaign" though.. What I mean by that is that if someone just started a kickstarter campaign where people signed up, stating;... IF obsidian desides to do a sequel they would receive the pledges of the kickstarter, sort of like a pre kickstarter. If that kickstarter would recieve.. like.. the same support as say.. eternity.. Im sure they would do it...

[I_Raps]

I'm going to take an entirely different tack here on why there won't be a sequel. What else is there to do? Very high level D&Ding has never been popular, in P&P or computer games. You'll get a few "WTF?!? No level 40?" type comments on boards like this, but by and large no one's interested. Even Planescape:Torment ended at a relatively low level. There's just so many megatroids you can wipe out with a glance before it loses its appeal.

[Arkalezth]

Besides what Raps said, some stories just have an open ending. Ending phrases like "that story is yet to be told" or "that's a tale for another day" don't necessarily imply that a sequel is a good idea.

[Phantom13NWN2]

Yes dude, haha, I know that.. I actually like that they leave it open, and I know that its not meant to be taken literally. Its just I can really see where or how the story could be continued , like, even for 2-3 more games..

Well, I knew chances where slim, but I didnt think it was so far off from happening as you guys seem to think.

What you guys are saying is basically.. there is no chance in hell?...

But do you guys want the story to be continued if it ever came to that? And do you think others would as well? And what are your takes on the DA world vs Forgotten realms vs Eternity world?

[Phantom13NWN2]

Another thougt I had is that they wouldnt actually have to make it a 3 edition game, since many of your companions are long lived or immortal ish anyway. Like Okku , Kaelyn, Elanee and so on. As for your self they could just write you into the story as having been stuck in stasis or something if your human. Strictly from a "what if" view point of course.

I have no idea of how long the timelapse between the editions are though...

[Tchos]

Well, I would certainly like another Neverwinter Nights game, though I'm very particular about what features and gameplay I'd want it to have. But as the others here say, I wouldn't want it to continue the same character's story, simply because it would be too high level. I liked MotB for its story, but I felt that the fights were too over-the-top with all the epic spells flying around and the massive hit points. I prefer the low-to-midrange progression, myself.

I'm also not particularly enamoured of the city of Neverwinter itself. There are more interesting locations to explore in the Forgotten Realms -- one reason why the first expansion was not set in or around Neverwinter, and over half of the second expansion took place far away from it. There are also other D&D world settings I'd love to explore.

But while independent companies still can and do use the same 3.5 edition rules that NWN2 uses under the OGL/d20 system, such as the upcoming Chaos Chronicles, the D&D world setting is what we almost certainly won't see in an indie game. Chaos Chronicles can't use the Forgotten Realms locations, characters, or lore, but it has all of the rules, the playable races, and most of the monsters.

[kamal_]

Tchos wrote...
I'm also not particularly enamoured of the city of Neverwinter itself. There are more interesting locations to explore in the Forgotten Realms --

You can spin a globe of Abier-Toril and put your finger down randomly and that spot would be more interesting.

[Arkalezth]

Phantom13NWN2 wrote...

Yes dude, haha, I know that.. I actually like that they leave it open, and I know that its not meant to be taken literally.

That's not what I mean. My point is that, OK, in theory, the story can be continued... but how? I think that the Knight Captain's story has already offered everything it could, and that another sequel would be over the top, make little sense, and likely mean a quality decrease.

Have you ever seen any TV series and felt that the last season(s) should have never been made? This is the same if you ask me.

What you guys are saying is basically.. there is no chance in hell?...

Short answer: No chance in hell.
Long answer: Blah blah blah... 0,0...01% chance in hell, and that's because I don't like talking in absolutes.

But do you guys want the story to be continued if it ever came to that? And do you think others would as well?

Personally, I have zero interest. I can't talk for others, but I suppose you can find someone, somewhere, that would be as interested as you. I don't think it'll be enough to actually make it happen, but if you wanna give it a try, I won't stop you and I'll wish you good luck... You'll need it.

Modifié par Arkalezth, 18 mai 2013 - 12:19 .

[Phantom13NWN2]

Yeah well, I think a divine level campaign would be very cool, if not, they could always take the "you lost some of your strength due to some ****" route.

I guess I'll have to give it up then.. Though I dont think it would feel like a "one season too much scenario". Has a divine level campaign even been done before?

I see plenty of directions the story could go take...

As for what Tchos said.. I think epic spells and high damage numbers would feel more fitting in a divine level campaign, like if youre fighting Solars or high ranking devils and stuff.

Anyway are there any other DnD singleplayer games on the horizon that would actually be.. good?

And as I said, I dont feel that any other setting is as intriguing as the forgotten realms... Its just so much lore you know?

Do you guys have any recommendations perhaps, on other good settings or games/stories that I could play?

[Arkalezth]

Have you played any player-made module? Many people (myself included) often consider them better than the official ones.

[Phantom13NWN2]

Better than MOTBs story? Well.. I have looked around for some of them and I feel they dont seem to be of the same quality as the official game.. I looked at a supposedly good one on youtube and it didnt feel like there was any choice involved at all.. Often there was just one dialogue option available for instance..

Modifié par Phantom13NWN2, 18 mai 2013 - 01:50 .

[Phantom13NWN2]

Which ones wold you recommend?

[metatheurgist]

Phantom13NWN2 wrote...
Anyway are there any other DnD singleplayer games on the horizon that would actually be.. good?

Sadly no. 4th Ed is cooked, and there was no D&D game for it. We'll have to wait and see for D&D Next.

[Tchos]

You may have better luck asking in the Modules subforum, for a module that meets your preferred criteria (such as extensive dialogue choice).

[Phantom13NWN2]

Well maybe someday I'll see NWN 3 announced and the knight captains story continued.

Thanks for the answers anyway.

Its just a shame that there are no other epic rpgs to look forward to, I've already given up on Bioware and their lame dialogue wheel.. Obsidians Eternity is a light of hope I guess..

Modifié par Phantom13NWN2, 18 mai 2013 - 03:45 .

[I_Raps]

NWN3 UFC Edition - The Knight Captain of Crossroad Keep vs. The Hero of Neverwinter.


(celebrity guest referee Deekin)

Modifié par I_Raps, 18 mai 2013 - 03:52 .

[Phantom13NWN2]

(Kelemvor spotted in the crowd)

On a side note..

I actually havent played the original NWN ..

Ive heard/read the story isnt that great..

Modifié par Phantom13NWN2, 18 mai 2013 - 04:04 .

[Phantom13NWN2]

Quick question.. Are there any mods who allows playing as the Knight Captain?

[Arkalezth]

What's better is subjective. As I said, there are many modules that I prefer over the official ones, and I'm not the only one, but I don't consider MotB the best story ever written either.

You said you saw one in youtube... Well, I don't know which one it was, but there are hundreds, and each module is different. You can't judge them all by just watching a video (and without actually playing, if I may add) of one of them. How much choice does MotB have, anyway? I haven't played it in ages, but as far as I remember, the "choice" was goody two shoes vs. baby eater most of the time.

I'd recommend a lot of modules, but as Tchos said, you'd better make a list of what you'd like to see. One thing to keep in mind is that most of them are low level, and I don't know of any featuring the protagonist from the OC.

[Phantom13NWN2]

I said I saw a supposedly good one.. What I meant, was that I looked at one of the top modules from the vault.. And I am not judging all of them by one.. But I sort of assumed from what I saw that the rest of the top modules where comparabel to that one..

There must really be a long time since you played Motb then, the choices in the OC werent all that grand at times, but Motb is much better in every regard.. I just finished Motb, and the choices carry much impact on the story. But as you said, its a matter of individual opinions.

Well, I like a good story,good/rich/deep/ setting(DnD etc.), good characters, and I like to be able to make choices, some big , some small. Which is why I think Motb is one of the best RPGs I have played. Kotor, the first Mass Effect,the first Dragon age was also very good. Been playing some The Witcher but the setting/world isnt so interesting at the moment.

And no, I havent played Planescape or BG games. They may be legendary but they are very outdated. I want to play them some time though..

Modifié par Phantom13NWN2, 18 mai 2013 - 04:29 .

[Arkalezth]

Well, I don't agree with everything you've said, but no point in us arguing about our opinions about MotB's choices.

So, modules. Well, the Hall of Fame of the Vault is a start. You can also take a look at the last few articles here and at the "Golden Dragon Awards" section. The "Storytelling" and "Roleplaying" categories should be the most interesting for you.

Some modules you may like: Harp and Chrysantemum, Trinity, Subtlety of Thay, Tales from the Lake of Sorrows (series of 6 modules, though I guess you may find some of them a bit linear, if that's a problem), The Maimed God's Saga (cleric specific), Serene (also kinda linear)...

Those are just a few off the top of my head, but there are many more. Also, there's a Baldur's Gate remake coming out in a few weeks (and an Icewind Dale one already available), so if you wanted to play the original but you can't stand the graphics, you should check it out.

BTW, which was the one you saw videos of? Was it Sarmates, by any chance (I know someone did a "Let's Play" of it)?

Modifié par Arkalezth, 18 mai 2013 - 05:13 .

[Phantom13NWN2]

Yes I agree..

Thanks for the suggestions.. I looked in the hall of fame and know of some of those you mentioned already, and will take a look at some of them again. (As well as those I dont know of)

Well, I dont want to discredit the maker of the module but the one I looked at was part 1: Nihil trilogy or something.. It was at 5th place in top modules on the vault I think.( it did have som nice looking locations in the screenshots, which is why I checked it out) I looked at some more as well but thats the one I remember..

Modifié par Phantom13NWN2, 18 mai 2013 - 06:00 .

[Arkalezth]

Ah, right. Well, I like the modules of that author overall (one of them specially), and they're good story-wise, but they're usually very, very lineal, so I understand why some people may not like them in that regard. They're sort of a extreme example, though. There are other lineal modules, but the vast majority of them are significantly less so.