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[Ticonderoga117]

Optimystic_X wrote...
4:30 - the Normandy outruns the beam.

Are you blind? The beam was continuously getting closer to the Normandy. The beam doesn't change speed, it's a beam. The Normandy was already going pedal to the metal because "OH CRAP. GIANT RED BEAM OF DEATH!"
So.. the Normandy gets hit by the beam. Every. Time.

Nevermind the next scene where you see not the Normandy landing in an area and manner more befitting a controlled landing (Level and on a plain) but it looks crashed.

Optimystic_X wrote...
Just because the beam wasn't a direct hit doesn't mean nothing happened to the ship from the crucible discharge at all.

In a "harder" SciFi setting? Sure. But this game gave us synthesis on a galactic scale which is pretty much breaking science and leaving it in a ditch. I doubt they thought about that.

[Ticonderoga117]

johnnythao89 wrote...

They didn't know what the energy being discharged would do to them if they are hit by it.

So let's base our entire plan around it, nevermind not being sure we'll be able to out run it (Since the fastest ship, the Normandy, couldn't) this is bat crazy.

Edit: Spelling.

Modifié par Ticonderoga117, 17 mai 2013 - 06:43 .

[Cainhurst Crow]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...
Ship discharge from the energy influx. They can either do it as soon as possible, or "If the charge is allowed to build, the core will discharge into the hull of a ship. All ungrounded crew members are fried to a crisp, all electronic system are burned out, and metal bulkheads may be melted and fused together."

This doesn't exactly apply as the arguement was "The beam did NOT reach them"... so there would be no energy influx.

You think just because the visible energy didn't touch them that the other spectrums of energy frequenceis didn't catch them?

That was a joke though, it's a likely explination anyway, since outrunning a beam of energy would likely be quite taxing on the drive core, and require a discharge anyway.

Also, does the normandy even escape in the high ems destroy? I mean, do we got confirmation for that?

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 17 mai 2013 - 06:47 .

[Ticonderoga117]

Darth Brotarian wrote...
You think just because the visible energy didn't touch them that the other spectrums of energy frequenceis didn't catch them?

That was a joke though, it's a likely explination anyway, since outrunning a beam of energy would likely be quite taxing on the drive core, and require a discharge anyway.

Also, does the normandy even escape in the high ems destroy? I mean, do we got confirmation for that?

As mentioned up above, I doubt the writers considered how that works anyway. Just look at Synthesis.

I doubt there would be any extra "taxing" on the core, unless it somehow knew about the beam and was stressed out about it. Though this is all speculation anyway so eh, maybe. Would be nice to have... some dialogue from the crew about this eh? But nope!

No. Unless Joker decided to save some gas until the beam was right behind them no more than a few meters. Beam was going faster than the Normandy at full tilt.

[PsyrenY]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Are you blind?

Are you? I even told you where in the video to look. Don't be lazy.

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

In a "harder" SciFi setting? Sure. But this game gave us synthesis on a galactic scale which is pretty much breaking science and leaving it in a ditch. I doubt they thought about that.

Science fiction has to leave actual (or more accurately, "current") science behind at some point.

[Ticonderoga117]

Optimystic_X wrote...
Are you? I even told you where in the video to look. Don't be lazy.

Oh look, the beam is closing on the Normandy continuously. it's not going to make it.

Optimystic_X wrote...
Science fiction has to leave actual (or more accurately, "current") science behind at some point.

With Synthesis it goes off the rails and jumps onto "Fantasy" is one fell swoop. You can't forget the SCIENCE. Though I will settle for SENCE which is a rare commodity in the end, and ME3 really.

[BulletFMV2413]

Jafroboy wrote...

I gotta wonder why they didnt swoop down to pick up Shepard, I mean, hes RIGHT THERE if you picked destroy, like, you can literally see the area he was standing.

I agree, i mean the normandy got down to earth during the beam run in 5 seconds so yea it might be close but they should have gave it a shot.

[Wulfram]

If they don't leave they risk being stuck facing the entire Reaper fleet alone. Which would be awkward, even if it was only for a moment before the Crucible fired.

[wiccame]

Han Shot First wrote...

We Need to Go - All Squadmates

Kaidan, Vega, and Liara are the best of the bunch IMO.

Always brings a tear to my eye, that scene. And Kaidan's line ....never had that one before, he is always on the beam run.

[themikefest]

It depends on who you take on the most missions. Not counting the two on the beam run

I always take Ashley and James on the beam run and its T'Soni who tells Joker to leave. So what I did is after the coup I used Javik and Ashley for the rest of the game. Since Ashley and James were on the beam run, Javik told Joker to leave.

With the Citadel dlc, if you are locked in with your LI(excluding Jack,Steve,Traynor and Miranda) they will meet you at the used car lot and talk to you over the radio.

[David7204]

That's simply not true. I take Liara and Garrus for the final mission, pick Destroy, and have Javik talk to Joker. I never take Javik on missions.

[Steelcan]

I always bring James and Javik and get that line from Garrus. Once I got it from Kaidan, and I used to get it from Liara until I stopped bringing her on missions.

[themikefest]

David7204 wrote...

That's simply not true. I take Liara and Garrus for the final mission, pick Destroy, and have Javik talk to Joker. I never take Javik on missions.

Really. It happens for me. I've done it enough times to know that is the case.

[David7204]

Hmm. Well, I haven't actually done it in months. Perhaps it was a bug fixed by a patch.

[shodiswe]

Ryzaki wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

"Quick! We have to run from the beam that's going to catch us anyway!"

Yeah gotta love that logic.

The problem is they didn't know it would be able to Catch them in FTL.... Even if that would make sense, how else would it be able to affect all the Reapers in the galaxy in a reasonable timespan...

Modifié par shodiswe, 17 mai 2013 - 12:17 .

[Morlath]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...
4:30 - the Normandy outruns the beam.

Are you blind? The beam was continuously getting closer to the Normandy. The beam doesn't change speed, it's a beam. The Normandy was already going pedal to the metal because "OH CRAP. GIANT RED BEAM OF DEATH!"
So.. the Normandy gets hit by the beam. Every. Time.

Nevermind the next scene where you see not the Normandy landing in an area and manner more befitting a controlled landing (Level and on a plain) but it looks crashed.

If you watch the video there isn't actually a "solid" beam of energy. The energy released from the Crucible is affecting the mass effect tunnel the Normandy is flying in. The ME corridor is being ripped apart by the energy and forcing anything travelling within to drop out of FTL travel.

It's the Indiana Jones plot device where the tunnel/bridge is collapsing behind the heroes and they're running away from the drop. Eventually it gets to them but they manage to drop somewhere relatively safe rather than to their doom.

[Ryzaki]

shodiswe wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

"Quick! We have to run from the beam that's going to catch us anyway!"

Yeah gotta love that logic.

The problem is they didn't know it would be able to Catch them in FTL.... Even if that would make sense, how else would it be able to affect all the Reapers in the galaxy in a reasonable timespan...

If it can't catch them if they go FTL it wouldn't be able to catch Reapers that went FTL making the whole thing pointless.

[Slayer299]

OP - So, it makes sense that Javik of all people in the entire universe is okay with leaving the battle? Or that your crew just abandons you without any argument to the contrary? Or, "There is no Shepard without Vakarian." Or your LI (whomever it may be) just bails on you because Hackett says 'leave'?

Sorry, but I found that scene to be downright stupid.

[AresKeith]

Slayer299 wrote...

OP - So, it makes sense that Javik of all people in the entire universe is okay with leaving the battle? Or that your crew just abandons you without any argument to the contrary? Or, "There is no Shepard without Vakarian." Or your LI (whomever it may be) just bails on you because Hackett says 'leave'?

Sorry, but I found that scene to be downright stupid.

For the art

[KaiserShep]

And really, almost no one should be on the Normandy at this point, because your entire squad was on the ground. I guess this is an issue with squad mechanics, but it would've made a lot more sense if the final battle in no-man's land involved your *entire* crew, rather than just you and two other people. The Citadel DLC actually did this pretty well, but I guess this wasn't something that they thought about when the game was first developed.

I try to ignore that bit, and I'm glad that I take Garrus and Liara in the final run, because either of them telling Joker we have to go rather than refusing to leave breaks the character dynamic for me.

[Lost Mercenary]

I always end up with friggin Ashley! WHY??????

[Exile Isan]

That scene is there because people complained that Joker ran away from the battle. And it's obvious that Joker didn't want to leave, hence the "Damn it."

I don't know about your Shep, but my Sheps would have been pissed if my LI/Friend had not told him to go and had gotten them all killed. They/my Shepards wouldn't have wanted that, like one of them told James at the beam 'I need to know someone is getting out of this alive.'.

[KaiserShep]

Not a matter of them actually going back, but just the way that they leave. Look at it this way, when my Shepard takes Liara and Garrus to the beam, and the Normandy picks them up, Liara insists that I don't leave her behind, despite the fact that she's obviously messed up and not going any further. Now had she also been the one to tell Joker we have to go, that would not have really gelled with the character to me, for the same reason my Shepard insisted to stay with Anderson on earth, and why I wouldn't approve of my Shepard trying to leave if it was either of them instead.

[Ruadh]

That scene pissed me off. Joker can get from the battle above Earth to London in 5 seconds flat, yet can't find the time to pick up Shep who's right there. I assume they were just trying to save their own asses when they bailed, but you'd think maybe at least one of them would say, 'Hey, maybe we should at least send a shuttle to help the guy who's saved everyone of our lives many times over.'

[KaiserShep]

You'd think that Cortez would be up to the challenge (if you got him to want to live again). After all, the shuttles are FTL-capable. 

Modifié par KaiserShep, 17 mai 2013 - 04:01 .