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[ReveurIngenu]

I remember reading an interview back when Mass Effect 2 was released, about how the Mass Effect team was aiming for a PG-13 feel for their game
http://www.1up.com/d...try?bId=9026170

While the Mass Effect and Dragon Age teams are not the same, I get the feeling that the general directive from Bioware or maybe EA is for the two teams to make tame games that would earn PG-13 ratings if they were movies.  And this is something I just don't understand.

Your game is rated M, so why are you trying to create a game that is suitable for children?  We get that many children will want to play your games, but why should adults pay the price because of children's needs?  A hard mature game or one that barely qualifies as M is still an M-rated game, so there's no reason to hold back.

More nudity (breasts, penis shots, ass shots), more violence (more graphic deaths like head bashings, gut cuttings, balls squishings, eye gougings, etc.), more adult themes (like prostitution, sex slavery, depravity, pissing on corpses of your enemies, etc.).  I don't know, I just feel like I need real mature entertainment, and with Hollywood going the mass public family friendly route, video games are pretty much the only ones that could truly make something satisfyingly mature (well, maybe television and books could too, but I don't like reading much and TV shows are usually very limited in budget).


To sum up, why does Bioware hold back from going all out in making DA3 a real hard mature game?  What reasons do they have to keep it tame, PG-13 feel?

[garrusfan1]

well I imagine they will make DA3 more adult since it seems a common request. that said some of the stuff you mentioned are just too much. come on dude pissing on corpses and such that is ridiculous. also some TV shows are limited in budget but the wwalking dead caused over 2 million dollars an episode to make

[LinksOcarina]

I have a feeling you don't know what mature means, it seems.

What is PG-13 about half of the stuff that was in Mass Effect 3, can you show an example?

[garrusfan1]

LinksOcarina wrote...

I have a feeling you don't know what mature means, it seems.

What is PG-13 about half of the stuff that was in Mass Effect 3, can you show an example?

I would like to think he is joking because some of the stuff  he mentioned were as stupid as GTA games basically being bad or over the top just for the sake of it. also OP where did you hear they are doing it for DA3. and also with the exception of no nudity ME2 was adult look at jack when she talks about how she escaped and was used and many other things in it

[Wulfram]

They should write what they want and let the rating fall where it may.

[Windninja47]

'Mature' doesn't necessarily mean gross.

[garrusfan1]

Wulfram wrote...

They should write what they want and let the rating fall where it may.

wow you just hit the nail on the head of what they should do

[ReveurIngenu]

Wulfram wrote...

They should write what they want and let the rating fall where it may.

That's the thing I'm wondering, why limit your vision to a PG-13 vision knowing that the game'll get an M rating anyway?  I can only suggest and hope that they make the game worthy of its M-rating.  I know that I for one would appreciate playing a game where I feel the developers didn't hold back on anything and where it's M-rating was deserved.

[Herr Uhl]

How is pissing on the corpse of an enemy a mature theme?

ReveurIngenu wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

They should write what they want and let the rating fall where it may.

That's the thing I'm wondering, why limit your vision to a PG-13 vision knowing that the game'll get an M rating anyway?  I can only suggest and hope that they make the game worthy of its M-rating.  I know that I for one would appreciate playing a game where I feel the developers didn't hold back on anything and where it's M-rating was deserved.

I'm sure Dr Seuss books would have been a lot better if it wasn't because he was limiting himself.

[Noctis Augustus]

I think DAO was mature enough. But yeah, DA2 was a cartoon in comparison. Something like TW2 would be ideal.

[ReveurIngenu]

StreetMagic wrote...

Holding back on things has different meanings for different people. Bioware could design a game where they tried to not hold back, but they're still different people than you or I. Everyone has their own version of holding back. Some of those don't include a "pissing on corpses" simulator. I suggest playing SecondLife. You'll be fulfilled there.

You seem to be hung up on that one suggestion that I made.  The suggestions I made were not to be taken as one whole suggestion but as independent suggestions.  If there are any that particularly gross you out, just forget it!  No need to reduce my argument to that one suggestion.

That suggestion was made to (for example) allow us to understand the hate that mages/templars have towards each other (and notice that I didn't suggest it be your character doing the pissing, it could merely act as an excuse for you to get involved in a fight for example or as an opportunity to show what side you support).

[LPPrince]

Simple- the kind of thing you're suggesting isn't required for them to tell the story they want to tell.

[ReveurIngenu]

garrusfan1 wrote...
also OP where did you hear they are doing it for DA3. and also with the exception of no nudity ME2 was adult look at jack when she talks about how she escaped and was used and many other things in it

I haven't heard anywhere that they would aim for a PG-13 feel, but based on Bioware's recent games (the DA games and ME games), it would be extremely surprising for them to go down a different route.  I'm expecting DA3 to be about the same in terms of maturity as past DA games.

I am merely suggesting that they try to make something a little more adult this time, as real mature entertainment is severely lacking in the world.  Sort of like Spartacus level maturity, lots of blood, guts, sex, hard cuss words, and hate you can feel.

Modifié par ReveurIngenu, 17 mai 2013 - 03:59 .

[ejoslin]

DA2 actually had some pretty depraved things in it, but even that really lacked depth. Like the templar who tranquilled and then sexually abused mages was depraved, but cartoonish, almost. I'm not even sure why -- it struck me as gratuitous rather as mature. I thought that Fenris' sexual abuse was handled very well, OTOH. Just the hint, the suggestion -- the horror of it did not need to be spelled out. How bad it was and how bad it affected him was up to the player if they even chose to acknowledge it at all.

DAO handled a lot of mature themes, well, maturely. The horrible abuse Zevran went through, for instance, was understated enough that you could never pity the character, but it was there. The horror Leliana inflicted on her targets, again, hinted at, even admitted to (while all the time she hated doing it), again, understated, so no one saw her as a monster. It was all just a part of the world and one part of the character, but since the characters were complex, you would just see it as part of the complete picture.

Modifié par ejoslin, 17 mai 2013 - 03:58 .

[Liamv2]

Wulfram wrote...

They should write what they want and let the rating fall where it may.

[Sanunes]

ReveurIngenu wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

They should write what they want and let the rating fall where it may.

That's the thing I'm wondering, why limit your vision to a PG-13 vision knowing that the game'll get an M rating anyway?  I can only suggest and hope that they make the game worthy of its M-rating.  I know that I for one would appreciate playing a game where I feel the developers didn't hold back on anything and where it's M-rating was deserved.

Who says they are intentionally holding themselves back to try and get a PG-13 vision? Going for mature themes just to include them to me is immature and will hurt the game.

[Boycott Bioware]

For me, want to see nude, want to decapitate and pissing on enemies/corpses, want to see gore...and most all "want to see" things are immaturity...mature people don't want to see those things

Mature for me is the theme, the story, the feeling, the sensation...not graphic. It is something that mature people understand and can cope, kiddies don't understand it.

The devs can put all those "mature" things on their games/movies but still the game/movies can be for kiddies because everything in the game are for kiddies. In contra, the devs didn't put in those "mature" stuff but the whole theme is heavy and only adults can understand while the kids just enjoy playing/watching.

Robin Hood can be heavy or light depends on how it being handled. Robin Hood can be entertaining as the kids can enjoy and can be heavy for matured people can enjoy. Kevin Costner Robin Hood is light movie, Russel Crowe Robin Hood is heavy movie, but in both movies there is no "mature" stuff

In game industry, yes we want to see decapitations, chopping of head and such, we want to see blood spurt out from the body being sucked by Blood Mage, we want to see zombies with rotten flesh and maggots...but all these are cartoonish, it never being realistic...maybe some people still can't bare to watch, it is how it being presented...the devs could use the element of shock (mind ****) or it just bland.

I have watch some scenes from "The Serbian Film", the most horrific movie in this decade, the first time watching it yes it may make most people vomit or close their eyes, but watching it repeatedly we realize it's fake, because it's a movie...the darkness of that movie is not those scenes but what the movie want to tell us, it is about what the human have become these days...i just don't believe this world anymore...humanity is gone...

(Edit : There's another movie, "The Martyr", uuughh, disturbing but it's a movie, they are all actors, no one really being skinned alive....)

Modifié par Qistina, 17 mai 2013 - 04:28 .

[ReveurIngenu]

Now you're just playing with words. I don't think the ESRB or any other rating organism cares about how content is dealt with when coming up with a rating. An M-rating will be based on certain criteria. All the suggestions I made are all things that would surely give the game a hard M-rating.

As for the word mature, I used it in the sense "adult". If my suggestions are not what would make a game mature, then what would they do? Make it general public? It doesn't matter if you consider it to be in bad taste, gross, useless, or whatever. Entertainment that includes themes I suggested (and in the degree I suggested) are considered to be mature entertainment.

[mousestalker]

I'd love a more mature game. If the writers would channel their collective inner Jane Austen I would be giddy. A game that is derived from Jospeh Conrad could be equally awesome. From Faulkner to Warren to Forster there are any number of incredible authors that a mature game could be influenced by.

I'm not willing to spend money for a pixellated porno. Call me a prude or just say I'm idiosyncratic, fetishistic cartoon sex is not something that diverts me.

OP, Rule 34 pretty much guarantees that there is something on the Internet that fulfills your desires. Be satisfied with that, please.

Modifié par mousestalker, 17 mai 2013 - 04:42 .

[BouncyFrag]

ReveurIngenu wrote...



More nudity (breasts, penis shots, ass shots), more violence (more graphic deaths like head bashings, gut cuttings, balls squishings, eye gougings, etc.), more adult themes (like prostitution, sex slavery, depravity, pissing on corpses of your enemies, etc.).  I don't know, I just feel like I need real mature entertainment, and with Hollywood going the mass public family friendly route, video games are pretty much the only ones that could truly make something satisfyingly mature (well, maybe television and books could too, but I don't like reading much and TV shows are usually very limited in budget).

That sounds awful.

[John Epler]

We could fill a game with pendulous dwarf penises, sure. Does that make it more mature?

But let's be clear - mature and adult are not the same thing. Gratuitous nudity and violence make something adult, but you'd have a hard time convincing me that it makes it mature.

Or, more concretely - something like 'Depression Quest' is undoubtedly mature due to the themes it explores and the topics it handles. Something like Gears of War, despite the gore and the violence, is 'adult'.

Regardless, as always, we'll make the game we want with the themes we want and the writing we want and not worry too tremendously about where it falls on the rating scale.