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[ReveurIngenu]

I remember reading an interview back when Mass Effect 2 was released, about how the Mass Effect team was aiming for a PG-13 feel for their game
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While the Mass Effect and Dragon Age teams are not the same, I get the feeling that the general directive from Bioware or maybe EA is for the two teams to make tame games that would earn PG-13 ratings if they were movies.  And this is something I just don't understand.

Your game is rated M, so why are you trying to create a game that is suitable for children?  We get that many children will want to play your games, but why should adults pay the price because of children's needs?  A hard mature game or one that barely qualifies as M is still an M-rated game, so there's no reason to hold back.

More nudity (breasts, penis shots, ass shots), more violence (more graphic deaths like head bashings, gut cuttings, balls squishings, eye gougings, etc.), more adult themes (like prostitution, sex slavery, depravity, pissing on corpses of your enemies, etc.).  I don't know, I just feel like I need real mature entertainment, and with Hollywood going the mass public family friendly route, video games are pretty much the only ones that could truly make something satisfyingly mature (well, maybe television and books could too, but I don't like reading much and TV shows are usually very limited in budget).


To sum up, why does Bioware hold back from going all out in making DA3 a real hard mature game?  What reasons do they have to keep it tame, PG-13 feel?

[John Epler]

We could fill a game with pendulous dwarf penises, sure. Does that make it more mature?

But let's be clear - mature and adult are not the same thing. Gratuitous nudity and violence make something adult, but you'd have a hard time convincing me that it makes it mature.

Or, more concretely - something like 'Depression Quest' is undoubtedly mature due to the themes it explores and the topics it handles. Something like Gears of War, despite the gore and the violence, is 'adult'.

Regardless, as always, we'll make the game we want with the themes we want and the writing we want and not worry too tremendously about where it falls on the rating scale.

[John Epler]

Lenimph wrote...

There should be some kind of equal exploitation law that shows a penis for every pair of breasts we see.

Then no one would be asking for a more "mature" game.

Male genitalia, far as the eye can see.

[Allan Schumacher]

I agree. I would suggest that a game like Deus Ex: HR is a very mature game aimed at adults and I wouldn't mind if BioWare went more in that direction with future games.

Agreed. DEHR attempts to explore transhumanism and what its effects would have on humanity, and does a reasonably good job at that (even if Jensen's "I didn't ask for this" get a bit overplayed IMO).

Some interesting ideas such as corporations having control over people (if "patched" to allow it) and stuff like that.

That stuff is mature.


In reality, you can make almost anything "mature." To echo John, a lot of "adult" stuff seems to have been put forth, with some level of "uncomfortable" stuff. The presence of those topics does not create a mature game. It gets rated M for mature because ideally, mature people are able to disassociate fiction from reality, and recognize "the presence of these things means little in this context."

Many games are rated Mature for that reason, not because the content portrayed within said game is in any way mature.

[Allan Schumacher]

That's all well and good, except nudity, sex and gore are a part of being human. that's why other artists, authors, game developers include these elements. They exist.

They do indeed exist. There's a lot of artists, authors, and game developers that also do not include any or some of those elements. I wouldn't call those works of art to be any more or less mature simply based on the inclusion of those things.

[Allan Schumacher]

ibbikiookami wrote...

Depends on the context. Censorship is not mature.

Deciding to not do something (for whatever reason) is not censorship.

Do you think it's possible take a subject like the darkspawn (evil
monsters who want to kill everything) and turn that into something that
is mature? I think the mage/templar storyline in DA2 had potential to be
mature. The idea of giving up certain freedoms and having big brother
always watching are things that all of us can relate to and are usually
eager to give an opinion on.

I think in order to do so, you'd have to explore more how the darkspawn came to be (which I feel has only been touched on lightly).  Unless we see more "Awakened" type, at this point the Darkspawn themselves are mostly just, as you say, evil monsters who want to kill everything.

Once their creation is explored, then more can be done I think.  From there, I'll defer to people that are more creative than myself!

[Allan Schumacher]

Thread closed due to a plethora of offtopic/insulting/irrelevant posts I can't be bothered deleting and cleaning up.