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[AresKeith]

EntropicAngel wrote...

wsandista wrote...

Aaaaaaaaaaaand, now it's a requirement that every time a relevant response is given to someone's post, someone has to white knight for poor FOX News.

Where did I defend them? I just think it's time that people started realizing that Fox News is not a factor.

But Fox News is the main ones who would bring this up

[wsandista]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Where did I defend them?

I dunno, maybe when you got on Jimmy for bringing it up when he responded to "The media will just ignore it".

I just think it's time that people started realizing that Fox News is not a factor.

Yeah, it isn't like they've ever jumped to conclusions since then with the only source being a pundit. It isn't like the pundits featured are highly conservative people who don't like teh secks and spend there time campaigning against false threats, like the war on Christmas.

[Examurai]

Rawgrim wrote...

Jack`s  F-words getting cut, and pretty much all swearing or refferances of that nature being gone. No frontal nudity. No human blood. Thats usually what PG-13 is all about. Protecting the teen`s minds from such horrors.

What do you mean no human blood? 

I doubt that was just red paint when I blasted that cerberus trooper's head with a sniper rifle, or when EDI's incinerate in combination with Vega's carnage completely disintegrated the other cerberus trooper's body into pieces.

[Little Princess Peach]

what I don't understand is why are Bioware adding more swearing to there games, in DA:2 we had the F word flying around, theres no need for it, DA:o was a great game that did not need swearing in the narration/conversations.

Just because it's rated M dose not mean we have to add more swearing, it dose not make the game more adult just more childish, and adding more sex scenes dose not make the game more adult it makes it a porno game, I get that people want realism in games but there has to be a line somewhere

Modifié par Tharja, 18 mai 2013 - 05:43 .

[Ninja Stan]

Let's keep it on topic and keep it civil, please. If you can't even talk about mature content without becoming childish, how can you expect developers to take your requests for more mature content seriously?

[thats1evildude]

Tharja wrote...

what I don't understand is why are Bioware adding more swearing to there games, in DA:2 we had the F word flying around, theres no need for it, DA:o was a great game that did not need swearing in the narration/conversations.

Actually, I didn't hear the use of a single "F**k" in all of DA2. Yes, characters said "S**t" a lot, but the writers are consciously staying away from "F**k." The only time I've ever seen it used in all of Dragon Age is one instance in Asunder.

I welcome the change. Swearing can be used quite effectively in fiction. I think the scene where Cassandra dismisses Varric's story as bulls*** was a lot stronger for it.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 18 mai 2013 - 05:55 .

[Gamer Ftw]

I think swearing makes sense in some scenes.
Because that is what the npc would talk like.
And it isn't like people don't hear it in real life anyway.
As for sex,both Origins and Da2 have brothels,if you don't want sex in your games don't buy a game that features things like that.
I wonder if they could make more money selling censored versions with bleeping and black bars to prudes?

Modifié par Gamer Ftw, 18 mai 2013 - 06:22 .

[AresKeith]

I think rated M games could work well with swearing and sex scenes if it's done right without being immature about it

[Rawgrim]

Gamer Ftw wrote...

I think swearing makes sense in some scenes.
Because that is what the npc would talk like.
And it isn't like people don't hear it in real life anyway.
As for sex,both Origins and Da2 have brothels,if you don't want sex in your games don't buy a game that features things like that.
I wonder if they could make more money selling censored versions with bleeping and black bars to prudes?

You don`t see the sex. The romance options wear clothes during sex too.

[LPPrince]

AresKeith wrote...

I think rated M games could work well with swearing and sex scenes if it's done right without being immature about it

If only it was that simple- everyone has a different opinion on what constitutes maturity and immaturity in game content.

But I agree nonetheless.

[Gamer Ftw]

I suck at sarcasm obviously.

[AresKeith]

LPPrince wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

I think rated M games could work well with swearing and sex scenes if it's done right without being immature about it

If only it was that simple- everyone has a different opinion on what constitutes maturity and immaturity in game content.

But I agree nonetheless.

For example, having a character who swears for no real reason *unless they look like that kind of character* is kinda immature

Having someone take a shower in their underwear isn't mature

There's nothing wrong with having nudity or sex scenes in a Rated M game as long as it doesn't look like a straight up porn scene

[AtreiyaN7]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

ibbikiookami wrote...

I have just seen Metro: Last Light's review and it seems they handled the violence and gore part extremely well and the sex and nudity badly, boobs for boobs sake. At least they didn't hide or suppress it though...

*snips my part for brevity's sake*

Though it has been said in this thread earlier, Bioware has said on numerous occassions they don't want to do more nudity. I believe I heard one writer say it would weird them out, to have the characters they created just strutting around nude or doing more "graphic" things than what are shown in the existing scenes.

So... this isn't an issue of Bioware deeply wanting to do more "adult" or "mature" sex content... they don't. So it is not a matter of censorship.

Michaelangelo wanted to do nude paintings on the Sistine Chapel. More power to him. De Goya painted people devouring each other. Rembrandt painted mostly facial portraits. To each their own.

Just because someone doesn't want to create sex content that people demand doesn't make them A) afraid of being censored or a prude. It just means that they don't want to create that content.

If you're addressing ibbikki, then I completely agree...if that was directed at me, there might have been a slight misinterpretation of my post.

Just so that this is clear to everyone (in case it wasn't earlier), I was illustrating the difference between actual censorship/alterations inflicted by outside forces (The Last Judgment) versus what I feel is ibbikki's implied claim that a lack of boobs and nudity in M-rated games somehow equates to censorship or suppression.

A lot of people seem to throw those two terms around far too easily, especially when that doesn't seem to be the case with BioWare. Only, only, if someone could actually prove that a dev (doesn't matter if it's BioWare or not) yanked adult/mature content from a game would cries of censorship or suppression be justified. In the absence of such proof, making those kinds of claims about BioWare has always struck me as silly.

Sex/violence/gore should only be included if it's handled well and if the devs feel it's important to their art (and yes, I believe that videogames can be artistic and creative endeavors). It's not necessary to gratuitously pile more and more of this stuff into a game just because some people feel that an M rating means you have to include boobs and blood.

Anyhow, good list of artists - would've added Hieronymous Bosch in there. The Garden of Earthly Delights and all.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 18 mai 2013 - 08:30 .

[Gamer Ftw]

AresKeith wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

I think rated M games could work well with swearing and sex scenes if it's done right without being immature about it

If only it was that simple- everyone has a different opinion on what constitutes maturity and immaturity in game content.

But I agree nonetheless.

For example, having a character who swears for no real reason *unless they look like that kind of character* is kinda immature

Having someone take a shower in their underwear isn't mature

There's nothing wrong with having nudity or sex scenes in a Rated M game as long as it doesn't look like a straight up porn scene

Some types of character swear it's reasonable in my opinion.
I don't see that as immature it adds realism.
A dock worker or a prostitute isn't going to have perfect manners and act like a nun.

[AresKeith]

Gamer Ftw wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

I think rated M games could work well with swearing and sex scenes if it's done right without being immature about it

If only it was that simple- everyone has a different opinion on what constitutes maturity and immaturity in game content.

But I agree nonetheless.

For example, having a character who swears for no real reason *unless they look like that kind of character* is kinda immature

Having someone take a shower in their underwear isn't mature

There's nothing wrong with having nudity or sex scenes in a Rated M game as long as it doesn't look like a straight up porn scene

Some types of character swear it's reasonable in my opinion.
I don't see that as immature it adds realism.
A dock worker or a prostitute isn't going to have perfect manners and act like a nun.

That's why I said "kinda immature" meaning it depends on what type of character/ NPC it is too add realism

[brushyourteeth]

I wouldn't buy the game if it had nudity in it that I didn't have the option to skip. The broodmothers are already more than I'd like to see (although I understand how ridiculous they'd look with bras, so they're a great example of an exception).

I love the series, but I'd lose all faith in the DA team if they used resources on something that trivial just because a portion of their fanbase wanted the sex to be sexier or the horror to be more horrible. That's not why I play the games.

That said, I did feel like DAII was lacking in the department of complex, gritty, difficult, thought-provoking and guilt-inducing decisions. I would have liked to see them take what they started in DA:O a step further, but it felt instead like it was all rather clean and easy, or awkward and cartoonish (like frankenLeandra).

[ElitePinecone]

StreetMagic wrote...

ibbikiookami wrote...
If they are going to have a sex scene in which the characters are not nude, besides not making any sense, it's considered hiding. If they leave out parts because they are too violent or disturbing that's called surpression.

Suppression of who though? They're suppressing themselves at best. And it's their game. They can do what they want. It has nothing to do with you or me. It's not a "community game". It's not a shared enterprise. It's not a collective RPG experience. It's just a game, developed by one company. We are merely fans (or not).

Exactly this. 

Edit: I am bad at quoting today.

Modifié par ElitePinecone, 18 mai 2013 - 07:52 .

[KiwiQuiche]

Find it hilarious how many people think nakedness + swearing = mature

[brushyourteeth]

KiwiQuiche wrote...



Find it hilarious how many people think nakedness + swearing = mature

You are win.

I'm not a hater -- I can totally see why people want more nudity. But I think there's a fine line, where a certain amount of skin and taboo language sets the stage that says "Yes, we are not afraid to go there" and, as the OP was getting at in an earlier post "These are gritty, rough people we're dealing with." But pass that line and it looks like you're trying waaaay too hard to prove how mature you are, which isn't mature. Or it looks like you're just trying to offend or to inspire some boners, which is also not mature.

If what the OP is asking for is the first part, I agree (though I think it should be up to the developers to decide where they fall on that scale and where the line is drawn). But the second... it's not for me. If I want to see porn, or slasher violence, I'll find a way that's cheaper, more realistic that bumping pixels, and doesn't take an expensive 2-4 year development cycle to create. If I want to hear a senseless string of unending cusswords I'll say them myself and let passersby think I'm crazy.

Just my opinion, though. Everybody's got one.

Modifié par brushyourteeth, 18 mai 2013 - 08:26 .

[KiwiQuiche]

brushyourteeth wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...



Find it hilarious how many people think nakedness + swearing = mature

You are win.

I'm not a hater -- I can totally see why people want more nudity. But I think there's a fine line, where a certain amount of skin and taboo language sets the stage that says "Yes, we are not afraid to go there" and, as the OP was getting at in an earlier post "These are gritty, rough people we're dealing with." But pass that line and it looks like you're trying waaaay too hard to prove how mature you are, which isn't mature. Or it looks like you're just trying to offend or inspire boners, which is also not mature.

If what the OP is asking for is the first part, I agree (though I think it should be up to the developers to decide where they fall on that scale and where the line is drawn). But the second... it's not for me. If I want to see porn, or slasher violence, I'll find a way that's cheaper, more realistic that bumping pixels, and doesn't take an expensive 2-4 year development cycle to create. If I want to hear a senseless string of unending cusswords I'll say them myself and let passersby think I'm crazy.

Just my opinion, though. Everybody's got one.

I aim to please.

I'm not adverse to sex either- but as you said, there's a fine line before sex for the story, and just cramming it in for teh reasonz.

What I gather from the OP they want to have a whole level where you screw something- Probably taking a leaf outta God Of War's book where there's a whole level dedicated to fcuking Aphrodite. :| Ooo, how mature! Look, sex, naked women and lesbians!

Heck, even the whole sex-scenes in the Witcher 2 were bad; it basically ended in loads of humping which gave me extreme second-hand embarrasment.

I'm fine with intimate scenes, I'm even fine with the occasionaly swearing. But stuffing it in for no other reason that trying to act adult is, as you say, childish and trying to pass it off as mature.

[Dutchess]

I think one thing that gives DA2 a rather childish impression instead of mature is how they do want to include a brothel, but treat it more like a laughing stock. The ambient conversations there are primarily silly, and the characters are not dressed as prostitutes. You go talk to Idunna and she is covered from neck to toes, like a noble woman. When Hawke pays for "entertainment" it is again only treated as "ooooh, naughty".

Another example is Sebastian's act 2 quest. There they wanted to show what happens in a house in which the people are completely under the influence of a desire demon. That sex is an aspect that comes up is logical and understandable, but the game chickens out once more and goes for the childish "oh, sex is dirty, that guy is naughty!" with the guy standing there in his trousers and yelling about "the feather".

Conclusion: do it well or don't do it at all. You want to include mature themes, don't try to laugh away its seriousness at the last moment. It only ends up immature and ridiculous.

[PnXMarcin1PL]

i fully agree with what ranjility has said

[TEWR]

John Epler wrote...

We could fill a game with pendulous dwarf penises, sure. Does that make it more mature?

So does this mean my desire to see a naked and drunken Oghren riding a gorilla into battle against the Darkspawn (with his battleaxe) cameo is actually on the table?!?!

[Uccio]

When Fox News ranting over ****** is brought up as a reason for Bioware to tone down maturity in their games, I hope that people remember that this US new broadcast company does not dictate morale codes outside north American continent. Europeans in general do not give rats ass about Fox News opinion.

[LPPrince]

Aye, but Bioware and EA have to consider many countries and their differing rules on whats okay and not okay. With that, they have to choose whether to go far enough that some countries won't have the game sold within their borders or ease up a tad so everyone can get a chance to play the game.

Weird rules in some countries, too.