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[Shadow Raziel]

LPPrince wrote...

Aye, but Bioware and EA have to consider many countries and their differing rules on whats okay and not okay. With that, they have to choose whether to go far enough that some countries won't have the game sold within their borders or ease up a tad so everyone can get a chance to play the game.

Weird rules in some countries, too.

The person who would be put off by a report by a news agency like (Fox News) is not going to be interested in DA anyway... It does not matter what the content is. They are not going to play a fantasy based game anyway. I do agree with you concerning counties and their obscenity laws.  Crossing the line there would keep fans from said countries from being able to play the game. It has to be a priority for the developer to reach out to ALL their fans. and make sure their content is in line with the laws of the counties they are wanting to distribute their product in. JMHO:bandit:

[mopotter]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

ibbikiookami wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

BioWare just doesn't have to censor itself, nudity shouldn't be hidden by underwear and gore should be presented when realistic to the situation. Mature themes shouldn't be thrown in for no reason but when presented, they shouldn't be hidden either.

Exactly.

I can understand why you would see it that way. It's a little hard not to when you have characters wearing clothing in a shower scene. It's almost as if BioWare doesn't want to commit to one course. As it is, I think they want to put just one foot in the pool, so to speak. It's hard to call that censorship, though. Because that would imply that BioWare does want to show nudity but EA is telling them they can't.

Whatever the case, I think BioWare should commit to a set course. If they want to do a shower scene or something along those lines, I think they should commit and show nudity. But the important thing to remember is that nudity is being shown because it makes sense within the context of the scene and not because it's the mature or cool thing to do.

I do agree with this.  The shower sceen could be a back if they wanted to, but clothing in the shower is just silly and should have been left out.  I don't care one way or the other if they have sex in the game but if they are going to do it, don't keep the underwear on.

If they don't want to show nude images they can show some make out or just good dialogue and walk into a room closing the door. I'd rather that closed door than a fade to black.    For me, a major draw with bioware games is the whole package story. charicters I care about,, like, dislike, romance, dialogue, a bit of teasing and while the sex worked in Me1, it was just rather silly in the Dragon Age games and other two ME games. 

[mopotter]

thats1evildude wrote...

Tharja wrote...

what I don't understand is why are Bioware adding more swearing to there games, in DA:2 we had the F word flying around, theres no need for it, DA:o was a great game that did not need swearing in the narration/conversations.

Actually, I didn't hear the use of a single "F**k" in all of DA2. Yes, characters said "S**t" a lot, but the writers are consciously staying away from "F**k." The only time I've ever seen it used in all of Dragon Age is one instance in Asunder.

I welcome the change. Swearing can be used quite effectively in fiction. I think the scene where Cassandra dismisses Varric's story as bulls*** was a lot stronger for it.

If it's not used too much.  If a character every other word is a cuss word I stop listening and figure they just don't have a vocabulary.  If a character hasn't cussed until something seariously causes it, that means something.  

[SogaBan]

StreetMagic wrote...

I suppose I should expect a thread any day now that requests we get to eat our Romantic Interest's feces. All in the name of maturity.

However, by maturity, I personally want:
1. More mature choices which covers more grey areas of morality
2. More personal dilemmas in context of the situation that is brewing
3. More polished and refined system of morality rating (not only just approval or paragon or renegade)
4. The game must force the protagonists to suffer and repent for the choices (bad) he/she might have made

[TK514]

I don't particularly mind if BioWare has made a decision not to include nudity in their games. I'm fine with that. However, if that is the direction they've chosen to go, then I would suggest they stop including scenes where nudity would be appropriate, and the lack of nudity falls into the category of 'absurd'.

I'm looking at you, Samantha Traynor. Or, to a lesser extent, any of the intercourse scenes in DA:O.

By contrast, Liara's final romance scene is pretty much exactly what I'd suggest, if my opinion held any weight. She is clearly nude, and yet the camera angles prevent anything "naughty" from being shown. Why can't we have more scenes like that, instead of Shep and Traynor standing in the shower fully clothed?

[Noctis Augustus]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

ibbikiookami wrote...

I have just seen Metro: Last Light's review and it seems they handled the violence and gore part extremely well and the sex and nudity badly, boobs for boobs sake. At least they didn't hide or suppress it though...

*snips my part for brevity's sake*

Though it has been said in this thread earlier, Bioware has said on numerous occassions they don't want to do more nudity. I believe I heard one writer say it would weird them out, to have the characters they created just strutting around nude or doing more "graphic" things than what are shown in the existing scenes.

So... this isn't an issue of Bioware deeply wanting to do more "adult" or "mature" sex content... they don't. So it is not a matter of censorship.

Michaelangelo wanted to do nude paintings on the Sistine Chapel. More power to him. De Goya painted people devouring each other. Rembrandt painted mostly facial portraits. To each their own.

Just because someone doesn't want to create sex content that people demand doesn't make them A) afraid of being censored or a prude. It just means that they don't want to create that content.

If you're addressing ibbikki, then I completely agree...if that was directed at me, there might have been a slight misinterpretation of my post.

Just so that this is clear to everyone (in case it wasn't earlier), I was illustrating the difference between actual censorship/alterations inflicted by outside forces (The Last Judgment) versus what I feel is ibbikki's implied claim that a lack of boobs and nudity in M-rated games somehow equates to censorship or suppression.

Not "lack of boobs and nudity" but "hiding nudity when it's appropriate in M-rated games equates to censorship or suppression".


I can see you didn't read my posts earlier, please people stop speculating about my opinions.

[Gamer Ftw]

SogaBan wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

I suppose I should expect a thread any day now that requests we get to eat our Romantic Interest's feces. All in the name of maturity.

However, by maturity, I personally want:
1. More mature choices which covers more grey areas of morality
2. More personal dilemmas in context of the situation that is brewing
3. More polished and refined system of morality rating (not only just approval or paragon or renegade)
4. The game must force the protagonists to suffer and repent for the choices (bad) he/she might have made

If you see no diffrence between that and regular sex you might want to see a therapist.

[Chaos Lord Malek]

Allan Schumacher wrote...


Deciding to not do something (for whatever reason) is not censorship.

Modifié par Chaos Lord Malek, 18 mai 2013 - 01:05 .

[KiwiQuiche]

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...


Deciding to not do something (for whatever reason) is not censorship.

Modifié par KiwiQuiche, 18 mai 2013 - 01:14 .

[ElitePinecone]

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...


Deciding to not do something (for whatever reason) is not censorship.

The developers' choice to do something in their game is not censorship. Period. 

Self-censorship? Perhaps - but there could be a dozen reasons why Bioware didn't want to put nude models in that scene, taste among them. Perhaps the character artists don't particularly feel like sculpting body parts. All those reasons are legitimate, because it's their creative work and nobody else's. If they decide to not include something, it's not censorship by by any means.

I'm starting to think that whole "some gamers are entitled" viewpoint is depressingly accurate, if there's an expectation that an M rating and the word 'mature' in the game's description means it has to contain elements x, y and z.

The content is decided by the developers, and if they don't want to put nudity in the game, that's their perogative - deal with it.

[Noctis Augustus]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...


Deciding to not do something (for whatever reason) is not censorship.

The developers' choice to do something in their game is not censorship. Period. 

Self-censorship? Perhaps - but there could be a dozen reasons why Bioware didn't want to put nude models in that scene, taste among them. Perhaps the character artists don't particularly feel like sculpting body parts. All those reasons are legitimate, because it's their creative work and nobody else's. If they decide to not include something, it's not censorship by by any means.

I'm starting to think that whole "some gamers are entitled" viewpoint is depressingly accurate, if there's an expectation that an M rating and the word 'mature' in the game's description means it has to contain elements x, y and z.

The content is decided by the developers, and if they don't want to put nudity in the game, that's their perogative - deal with it.

How about if they make you pay for difficulty modes? Or charge you for more than one game play? It's their game right? What if governments start charging you for air? Or force you into killing yourself if there's too many people living? It's their nation right?

[ElitePinecone]

Yay, internet libertarianism! That's totally an appropriate comparison to use in a discussion on content standards in videogames.

If you don't like the content of the game, don't buy it. But don't feel entitled to demand influence over someone else's creative - or commercial - work.

[Noctis Augustus]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Yay, internet libertarianism! That's totally an appropriate comparison to use in a discussion on content standards in videogames.

If you don't like the content of the game, don't buy it. But don't feel entitled to demand influence over someone else's creative - or commercial - work.

Why? Publishers do it.

[Gamer Ftw]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Yay, internet libertarianism! That's totally an appropriate comparison to use in a discussion on content standards in videogames.

If you don't like the content of the game, don't buy it. But don't feel entitled to demand influence over someone else's creative - or commercial - work.

So the gamer should have no opinion on what goes into the games he is buying?
I'm thinking it's not us who is entitled it's devs who become popular and lose touch with {and even mock]their fans.
REMEMBER WITCH HUNT????
I can just see them cackling with glee over that one.
So yeah why not have sex scenes in underwear.
Even though NOT ONE PERSON WANTS THAT.
Lets continue to make sure none of our decisions or opinions matter ever.
We should all work hard at our jobs so we can throw money away buying games from people don't care what we think.
But I say there are tasteful ways to handle nudity!
And the screaming prudish masses wail "nooo all sex is porn,we must deny our genitals!!!"
Seriously grow up.

Modifié par Gamer Ftw, 18 mai 2013 - 02:11 .

[Noctis Augustus]

How about if they lose the sex scenes entirely? A "kiss and fade to black" type of situation is fine by me. As long as there's no more ridiculous underwear sex...

Modifié par ibbikiookami, 18 mai 2013 - 02:11 .

[BlueMagitek]

You know you don't need to 'throw money at games'. If you don't like the direction a series is going, you don't need to continue supporting it. :/

[Gamer Ftw]

BlueMagitek wrote...

You know you don't need to 'throw money at games'. If you don't like the direction a series is going, you don't need to continue supporting it. :/

Lol,and they wouldn't even care, that kills me.
Years of bioware games and then this.
Storylines never resolved,hasty thrown together games.
I just don't get why they are doing it.
I HATE giving up on a series of games.
But the storyline will be online anyway.
I just wish I could get back the time and money spent on witch hunt.
Even 1 penny was to much for that.
Or that legacy bull.

Modifié par Gamer Ftw, 18 mai 2013 - 02:20 .

[The Teyrn of Whatever]

ReveurIngenu wrote...

More nudity (breasts, penis shots, ass shots), more violence (more graphic deaths like head bashings, gut cuttings, balls squishings, eye gougings, etc.), more adult themes (like prostitution, sex slavery, depravity, pissing on corpses of your enemies, etc.).  I don't know, I just feel like I need real mature entertainment, and with Hollywood going the mass public family friendly route, video games are pretty much the only ones that could truly make something satisfyingly mature (well, maybe television and books could too, but I don't like reading much and TV shows are usually very limited in budget).

Wow! Just... WOW!!

If your desire would be to see video games that are so horrid, ridiculous, and over-the-top that they could only be considered some form of grotesque satire, then go get a Kickstarter campaign going and find like-minded individuals who want to help turn your bizarre fantasy into a reality.

I'll pass, personally. I like the Dragon Age games as they are. The fact that they don't have any of the "adult themes" you'd like to see is a good thing. It hardly makes them family-friendly games for not featuring these aspects.

I think, OP, you've seen an episode of 'Sparatacus' too many. I could never take that show too seriously: it was way ultra-violent, to the point of silliness, and all the sex and nudity felt like they were hoping to get horny teenaged boys to watch rathern than adults who are comfortable with onscreen nudity or appreciate erotica. 

'Spartacus' was cheese. An enjoyable cheese in snack-sized portions, but hardly the bar by which I would measure the quality of other shows or different media like comic books, novels, or indeed video games.

[Gamer Ftw]

The Teryn of Whatever wrote...

ReveurIngenu wrote...

More nudity (breasts, penis shots, ass shots), more violence (more graphic deaths like head bashings, gut cuttings, balls squishings, eye gougings, etc.), more adult themes (like prostitution, sex slavery, depravity, pissing on corpses of your enemies, etc.).  I don't know, I just feel like I need real mature entertainment, and with Hollywood going the mass public family friendly route, video games are pretty much the only ones that could truly make something satisfyingly mature (well, maybe television and books could too, but I don't like reading much and TV shows are usually very limited in budget).

Wow! Just... WOW!!

If your desire would be to see video games that are so horrid, ridiculous, and over-the-top that they could only be considered some form of grotesque satire, then go get a Kickstarter campaign going and find like-minded individuals who want to help turn your bizarre fantasy into a reality.

I'll pass, personally. I like the Dragon Age games as they are. The fact that they don't have any of the "adult themes" you'd like to see is a good thing. It hardly makes them family-friendly games for not featuring these aspects.

I think, OP, you've seen an episode of 'Sparatacus' too many. I could never take that show too seriously: it was way ultra-violent, to the point of silliness, and all the sex and nudity felt like they were hoping to get horny teenaged boys to watch rathern than adults who are comfortable with onscreen nudity or appreciate erotica. 

'Spartacus' was cheese. An enjoyable cheese in snack-sized portions, but hardly the bar by which I would measure the quality of other shows or different media like comic books, novels, or indeed video games.

Are you playing a different game?
rapes,beheadings,murder those aren't adult themes?

[Plaintiff]

ElitePinecone wrote...
I'm starting to think that whole "some gamers are entitled" viewpoint is depressingly accurate.

Well, some people are entitled. Gamers were never an exception. You just don't see as many obnoxious individuals in meatspace because there are harsher, more permanent punishments that the digital arena can't enforce.

[Gamer Ftw]

We should be entitled who the hell do they think they're selling the game to?
They aren't just creating a game and giving it to us out of the niceness of their heart.
We are paying for it.

Modifié par Gamer Ftw, 18 mai 2013 - 02:27 .

[Fallstar]

Maturity in a game comes from the themes it deals with, not with the level of gore and how sexually explicit it is.

DA has lots of complex issues to deal with and I think they have been dealt with pretty well in both games.

That said, I do think there should be nudity where appropriate (read: sex scenes) and combat should be violent and bloody without being excessive (e.g. people exploding into chunks when I stab them with a dagger in DA2).

The killing blows from DAO were an example of how combat can feel bloody and gruesome without going over the top.

[The Teyrn of Whatever]

ibbikiookami wrote...

How about if they lose the sex scenes entirely? A "kiss and fade to black" type of situation is fine by me. As long as there's no more ridiculous underwear sex...

I completely agree with you. Either a series fades to black or it has sex scenes with nudity. The attempt to find middle ground is rarely satisfying and results in things like underwear sex. Creating scenes where nothing is shown from the neck down is okay but is honestly too much effort and resources that could be better used elsewhere. Games with more than one sex scene, which hides the naugthy bits with carefully placed props just ends up being farcical.

[ElitePinecone]

Gamer Ftw wrote...

So the gamer should have no opinion on what goes into the games he is buying?

The only power you have over games is whether to buy them. Support content you like by paying money for it, and withhold your hard-earned cash if you feel something isn't worth it.

You can have all the opinions you like, developers and publishers can - and will - ignore them, if they feel like there's still a market for their product. 

More to the point, you can certainly *request* that Bioware puts certain content in their games - it's what everyone does, after all - but demanding it? Why would they ever listen to a group of fans who feel *entitled* to, say, ultraviolence, more detailed romance scenes or nudity? Have you considered that senior people at Bioware are uncomfortable with the entire idea? They aren't obliged to listen to you just because you're saying something.

[Gamer Ftw]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Gamer Ftw wrote...

So the gamer should have no opinion on what goes into the games he is buying?

The only power you have over games is whether to buy them. Support content you like by paying money for it, and withhold your hard-earned cash if you feel something isn't worth it.

You can have all the opinions you like, developers and publishers can - and will - ignore them, if they feel like there's still a market for their product. 

More to the point, you can certainly *request* that Bioware puts certain content in their games - it's what everyone does, after all - but demanding it? Why would they ever listen to a group of fans who feel *entitled* to, say, ultraviolence, more detailed romance scenes or nudity? Have you considered that senior people at Bioware are uncomfortable with the entire idea? They aren't obliged to listen to you just because you're saying something

Why wouldn't they listen? Unless their goal is to replace older fans with new fanboys that will buy anything.
Why would they ignore someone who is a loyal fan and even bought crap because of their reputation?
SEX IS NOT PORN!
It blows my mind in a game where you can behead people and they have brothels we need scenes like in da2.
cause showing a chest in that would have obviously<_< been porn.
Ever heard of tasteful shadowing?
Dimly lit rooms? romantic lighting?

Modifié par Gamer Ftw, 18 mai 2013 - 02:37 .