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[thats1evildude]

I say we put huge stonking ****** on everything. Trees, lamp posts, small children, dogs — everything.

If DA3 doesn't resemble an issue of Heavy Metal, I'm cancelling my pre-order.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 17 mai 2013 - 05:00 .

[Lobos1988]

I do agree with wanting a mature game. But some of the stuff mentioned like "pissing on corpses" is just plain sick! Requesting that is not explainable with normal interest in a fun game...

[Fiery Knight]

Obviously the OP thinks maturity stands for naked romance scenes. *facepalm*

[Blackrising]

This thread again?

Let's have a look at the themes Bioware games have explored in the past. Abduction. Murder. Rape. Genocide. Relationships. Sex. War. Politics. Family. Grief. Death.

I honestly don't know what more you people want.

[Redbelle]

Hawke_12 wrote...

Obviously the OP thinks maturity stands for naked romance scenes. *facepalm*

And bad language. Which should totally be implemented with an optional *bleep* everytime someone say's something Grandma PEGI frowns upon.

[Dominari]

Blackrising wrote...

This thread again?

Let's have a look at the themes Bioware games have explored in the past. Abduction. Murder. Rape. Genocide. Relationships. Sex. War. Politics. Family. Grief. Death.

I honestly don't know what more you people want.

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[ReveurIngenu]

mousestalker wrote...

I'd love a more mature game. If the writers would channel their collective inner Jane Austen I would be giddy. A game that is dervied from Jospeh Conrad could be equally awesome. From Faulkner to Warren to Forster there are any number of incredible authors that a mature game could be influenced by.

I'm not willing to spend money for a pixellated porno. Call me a prude or just say I'm idiosyncratic, fetishistic cartoon sex is not something that diverts me.

OP, Rule 34 pretty much guarantees that there is something on the Internet that fulfills your desires.. Be satisfied with that, please.

Who said anything about virtual porno?  Now you're just reducing my suggestion to "I want to see animated sex." and I find that insulting.

What I want, and what I meant by "mature", is that I don't want to be shielded.  When you kill someone using weapons, their body will take damage.  It is normal for things like decapitation, head bashing, limb cutting, etc. to happen.  You don't want to show that, don't make a game where you kill people!

When people have sex, they get naked.  I don't need to see a full out sex scene with penetration.  I do however wish to see realistic portrayals of it (as in both people getting undressed, seeing butt shots or chest shots, etc.).  I don't want to see it because I'm an immature pervert, but because that's what happens!  Nudity is not pornographic or unnecessary or immature, nor is wanting to see it.

Again, I use the example of Spartacus, the TV series.  The sex scenes were tastefully done.  You saw breasts, humping, thrusting.  Yet nobody would consider it immature to have wanted to portray those scenes.  Same with the killing scenes which were graphic.

[mopotter]

I've tried twice to do reply to this and have gotten tangled up in my thoughts. Ejoslin said it best.

Mature vs Cartoonish. I didn't find the themes in DA 2 cartoonish, but the artwork including the style of the elves, did give me the cartoonish feel. DA:O had a more mature feeling over all.

The sex in both, however were fairly cartoonish with the underwear, though I have read that historically people did have sex in their clothing, so maybe they were trying to be authentic. I LOVED the sex scene in ME1. It was almost perfect. Lighting, sound, just enough skin.

Many of the things op suggested sound like something that would be in a slasher rip off rather than than a mature experience. For me, the story is what makes it mature, not the boobs, the penius or gore.

I also agree that they should write and make the game they want to play and let the ratings fall where it may. Whether or not I'd want to play it, who knows, but I like the idea that they would be true to the original premise of BioWare, and with DG involved I probably will.

[thats1evildude]

Spartacus had tasteful sex scenes? Since the sex comprises about 50 per cent of the plot, I guess they average out to tasteful. 

Modifié par thats1evildude, 17 mai 2013 - 04:59 .

[DatOneFanboy]

 Yea i agree need Nudity , Blood and All that sht Just like Spartacus

[tfcreative]

ReveurIngenu wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

They should write what they want and let the rating fall where it may.

That's the thing I'm wondering, why limit your vision to a PG-13 vision knowing that the game'll get an M rating anyway?  I can only suggest and hope that they make the game worthy of its M-rating.  I know that I for one would appreciate playing a game where I feel the developers didn't hold back on anything and where it's M-rating was deserved.

How certain are you that they are holding anything back for the sake of the rating. Is it not possible to believe that Bioware is already making the game they want to make?

[ElitePinecone]

ReveurIngenu wrote...

More nudity (breasts, penis shots, ass shots), more violence (more graphic deaths like head bashings, gut cuttings, balls squishings, eye gougings, etc.), more adult themes (like prostitution, sex slavery, depravity, pissing on corpses of your enemies, etc.). 

This sounds horrific, unnecessary and awful. Gratuitous, even. Probably even the opposite of 'mature'. 

[Dusk Wolf]

To each his or her own but I think what you're suggesting is unnecessarily gruesome and graphic. There's enough violence in the game already even if it had a bit of a cartoon feel to it in the second game and as for the type of nudity you're describing, well, there's plenty of that already in the real world. I didn't/don't like the idea of characters who are romantically involved with one another wearing their underwear during their most moments so I wish they would do away with that and work the camera angles in such a way that it's noticeable or implied without being pornographic. I don't see any problem with this being done. DA:I is most likely going to be an M rated game so this shouldn't be an issue. Strange how in our world scenes of violence are* more accepted than romance scenes.

Modifié par Lament for Thessia, 17 mai 2013 - 05:12 .

[Blackrising]

Someday, some company is gonna create THAT ONE game so many people are asking for.
You're gonna be beheading people, cutting off limbs, breaking bones, gouging out eyes. You'll hear the crunching. You'll be forced to stare into the empty eyes of the man you just killed.
It's gonna be realistic.
In fact, it's gonna be so realistic that it'll be a total flop because unless you're a goddamn psychopath, you're NOT GOING TO ENJOY KILLING PEOPLE IN A REALISTIC FASHION.
Seriously, I think you don't know what you're asking for.

[ReveurIngenu]

John Epler wrote...

We could fill a game with pendulous dwarf penises, sure. Does that make it more mature?

But let's be clear - mature and adult are not the same thing. Gratuitous nudity and violence make something adult, but you'd have a hard time convincing me that it makes it mature.

Or, more concretely - something like 'Depression Quest' is undoubtedly mature due to the themes it explores and the topics it handles. Something like Gears of War, despite the gore and the violence, is 'adult'.

Regardless, as always, we'll make the game we want with the themes we want and the writing we want and not worry too tremendously about where it falls on the rating scale.

It does if in the world you've created, your dwafves don't wear pants.  Many human cultures, typically underdeveloped cultures have no problem with nudity.  I can give examples of african or indigenous tribal peoples who live with breasts uncovered and penises hanging out.  If you wanted to write a story in which dwarves had no issues with nudity (for example, because of hot climate, dwarves did not develop a need for clothes), I would want you to portray them in such a way without being afraid of backlash.  And to me, yes, that would be maturity because it would show that the game is designed for people capable of understanding that such nudity is not for provocation or titillation but for creative purposes.

As for your comment that you'll make the game you want, I don't doubt that and the creation of this topic is not to change that.  Rather, it is to let you know that people like me exist.  Game developers ultimately have the final word, but they also pay attention to what fans want.  Making my opinion known, even if you don't agree with it, might allow others who share my views to speak up.  It also gives you ideas in the event you ever needed one.  And it gives fans a chance to participate in forums!

[ejoslin]

Blackrising wrote...

Someday, some company is gonna create THAT ONE game so many people are asking for.
You're gonna be beheading people, cutting off limbs, breaking bones, gouging out eyes. You'll hear the crunching. You'll be forced to stare into the empty eyes of the man you just killed.
It's gonna be realistic.
In fact, it's gonna be so realistic that it'll be a total flop because unless you're a goddamn psychopath, you're NOT GOING TO ENJOY KILLING PEOPLE IN A REALISTIC FASHION.
Seriously, I think you don't know what you're asking for.

Fallout 3 was criticized sharply for the slow-mo dismemberment cam shots. Eyeballs rolling, arms flying off, the tops of heads being blown off showing an exposed brain, if using a nail gun, bodies being nailed to the wall.

It was pretty gross, actually. I got used to it pretty quickly, but it was one game I never played in front of my kids.

A lot of people liked that, though.  There were even mods made to add even more grossness as well as mods made to remove some of it.

Modifié par ejoslin, 17 mai 2013 - 05:19 .

[Boycott Bioware]

I like to make the movie 300 as example. This movie is based on history and legend. It supposed to be grand, well it is about Sparta and 300 men against doubtfully millions of Persians...the movie have all the "mature" and "adult" stuff in it, sex scenes, decapitations, gore, nudity...but the movie is a joke of the century

Overly exaggerated, cartoonish and unrealistic environment...the movie have become a joke, there are memes of 300, funny Leonidas face everywhere, and there are 300 funny movie being made

That is what i mean, the mature and adult stuff doesn't make the end product great, if the thing is a cartoon then it is a cartoon, the movie 300 becomes a light movie not to be taken seriously and it is laughable....the Persians are monsters, one of the are big and having blade hands chopping someone head, the head flew in the air in slow motion...that is funny you know

Something that should be heavy, heroic, spirited, turn out to be a cartoon even with all the "mature" and "adult" stuff in it

[BouncyFrag]

ElitePinecone wrote...

ReveurIngenu wrote...

More nudity (breasts, penis shots, ass shots), more violence (more graphic deaths like head bashings, gut cuttings, balls squishings, eye gougings, etc.), more adult themes (like prostitution, sex slavery, depravity, pissing on corpses of your enemies, etc.). 

This sounds horrific, unnecessary and awful. Gratuitous, even. Probably even the opposite of 'mature'. 

Only the best games nowadays have genital mutilation and corpse desecration. So much here.

[NoForgiveness]

has anyone played the n64 conkers bad fur day? theres a room where you ****** on other people and it kills them, its pretty hilarious.

anyway I wouldn't want something that ridiculous to be in the game.

[Lenimph]

There should be some kind of equal exploitation law that shows a penis for every pair of breasts we see.

Then no one would be asking for a more "mature" game.

Modifié par Lenimph, 17 mai 2013 - 05:23 .

[BounceDK]

The Witcher is a perfect example of how you can do it without overdoing it. They got some awesome skills.

[mopotter]

ReveurIngenu wrote...

mousestalker wrote...

I'd love a more mature game. If the writers would channel their collective inner Jane Austen I would be giddy. A game that is dervied from Jospeh Conrad could be equally awesome. From Faulkner to Warren to Forster there are any number of incredible authors that a mature game could be influenced by.

I'm not willing to spend money for a pixellated porno. Call me a prude or just say I'm idiosyncratic, fetishistic cartoon sex is not something that diverts me.

OP, Rule 34 pretty much guarantees that there is something on the Internet that fulfills your desires.. Be satisfied with that, please.

Who said anything about virtual porno?  Now you're just reducing my suggestion to "I want to see animated sex." and I find that insulting.

What I want, and what I meant by "mature", is that I don't want to be shielded.  When you kill someone using weapons, their body will take damage.  It is normal for things like decapitation, head bashing, limb cutting, etc. to happen.  You don't want to show that, don't make a game where you kill people!

When people have sex, they get naked.  I don't need to see a full out sex scene with penetration.  I do however wish to see realistic portrayals of it (as in both people getting undressed, seeing butt shots or chest shots, etc.).  I don't want to see it because I'm an immature pervert, but because that's what happens!  Nudity is not pornographic or unnecessary or immature, nor is wanting to see it.

Again, I use the example of Spartacus, the TV series.  The sex scenes were tastefully done.  You saw breasts, humping, thrusting.  Yet nobody would consider it immature to have wanted to portray those scenes.  Same with the killing scenes which were graphic.

OP - for me this post is clearer in what your looking for.  I still don't think you have to have a lot of gore or nudes to be mature, and I still think the over all feel of the DA and ME series are mature.  But this post is doesn't make me think - adolescent frat-boy, it just makes me think your someone who would like things I don't care if they leave out and imo, that's reasonable.