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Request: Please make DA3 more mature to fit the M rating


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thats1evildude wrote...

I say we put huge stonking ****** on everything. Trees, lamp posts, small children, dogs — everything.

If DA3 doesn't resemble an issue of Heavy Metal, I'm cancelling my pre-order.


Best post of the of thread, mature games for mature gamers such as myself.

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Goddamit They need a separate forum for chicks they keep asking for the warden sausage, we just want nipples

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ejoslin wrote...

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There should be some kind of equal exploitation law that shows a penis for every pair of breasts we see.

Then no one would be asking for a more "mature" game.


Male genitalia, far as the eye can see.


Will this include a slider in the character creator?  Or will it only be an NPC thing?

ETA: Anyone who has played using a nude patch knows how unintentionally funny some very serious scenes in DAO are once you add the penis.


Had the nude mod on DA:O and the Return to Ostagar dlc made my husband very uncomfortable.  

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Gratuitous nudity and violence do not seem very mature to me. In fact they sound childish, even a bit camp, if I'm honest.

That being said, I do agree that Dragon Age needs some darker and more mature themes to its story, if only, at least, to distinguish it from the troperiffic playground feel of the Mass Effect games. Moral decisions shouldn't be good vs evil, but what you consider to be the lesser of two evils. Organizations shouldn't be helping people because they could, but hurting them because they must, and it's for you to decide if it's worth the price. Let's get to the underbelly of the worst that humanity has to offer.

When the original Dragon Age: Origins first appeared in the gaming world, Bioware promised a deep and complex dark fantasy world, and certainly the early promises of enslaved elves, dwarven political intrigue and widespread (and justified) fear and suspicion of mages held promise. I would describe the end result as more "darkish" fantasy rather than full dark, but at least I appreciated Bioware for trying.

Now, let's try harder.

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What makes Dragon age only "darkish" rather than "full dark"?

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Why doesn't Bioware make the sex scenes optional? You want nudity? Then you can have it. You don't want it? Then you'll have a kiss and fade to black screen.

Maybe as dlc.

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ibbikiookami wrote...

Why doesn't Bioware make the sex scenes optional? You want nudity? Then you can have it. You don't want it? Then you'll have a kiss and fade to black screen.

Maybe as dlc.


That would be ideal. But I bet Bioware doesn't see any real payoff for putting resources into something like that.

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-TC1989- wrote...

ibbikiookami wrote...

Why doesn't Bioware make the sex scenes optional? You want nudity? Then you can have it. You don't want it? Then you'll have a kiss and fade to black screen.

Maybe as dlc.


That would be ideal. But I bet Bioware doesn't see any real payoff for putting resources into something like that.


Then turn it into a paid dlc. I bet a lot of people wouldn't mind paying $1-2 for it.

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Meatbaggins wrote...

What makes Dragon age only "darkish" rather than "full dark"?


Dark fantasy is defined as fantasy fiction with horror and/or morally ambiguous and anti-heroic themes. These themes were dabbled with in Dragon Age: Origins, but I didn't feel like they were fully explored and expanded, and you still ended up making many morally unambiguous decisions and finishing the game heroically. Hence, it's "darkish" fantasy.

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There is a mod to clothe King Cailan in return to Ostagar. I highly recommend it if you use nb. :P
http://dragonage.nex...com/mods/1682/?

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John Epler wrote...

We could fill a game with pendulous dwarf penises, sure. Does that make it more mature?

But let's be clear - mature and adult are not the same thing. Gratuitous nudity and violence make something adult, but you'd have a hard time convincing me that it makes it mature.

Or, more concretely - something like 'Depression Quest' is undoubtedly mature due to the themes it explores and the topics it handles. Something like Gears of War, despite the gore and the violence, is 'adult'.

Regardless, as always, we'll make the game we want with the themes we want and the writing we want and not worry too tremendously about where it falls on the rating scale.


"Pendulous dwarf penises" is definitely my term of the week, if not of the month. From now on I will try to build it into casual conversations at work at least twice a day. Fortunately, I work in web and software development, so that is not a huge deviation from the usual mode of talking.

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Does anyone remember the game "Manhunt" for the original xbox? It was storied as a game show type setting that included super murder as the main activity, and was essentially just a chain of cutscenes of violent, gruesome murders. It was banned in a few countries and sold terribly, likely due to it's extreme maturity.

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mopotter wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

John Epler wrote...

Lenimph wrote...

There should be some kind of equal exploitation law that shows a penis for every pair of breasts we see.

Then no one would be asking for a more "mature" game.


Male genitalia, far as the eye can see.


Will this include a slider in the character creator?  Or will it only be an NPC thing?

ETA: Anyone who has played using a nude patch knows how unintentionally funny some very serious scenes in DAO are once you add the penis.


Had the nude mod on DA:O and the Return to Ostagar dlc made my husband very uncomfortable.  


Hahaha, yes.  And the prisoner in the first incarnation of Ostegar was very glad to meet my warden.  And we don't even need to talk about releasing the prisoners when saving Anora.

This thread is about maturity, right?  I think I failed :D  

Modifié par ejoslin, 17 mai 2013 - 07:32 .


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ibbikiookami wrote...

-TC1989- wrote...

ibbikiookami wrote...

Why doesn't Bioware make the sex scenes optional? You want nudity? Then you can have it. You don't want it? Then you'll have a kiss and fade to black screen.

Maybe as dlc.


That would be ideal. But I bet Bioware doesn't see any real payoff for putting resources into something like that.


Then turn it into a paid dlc. I bet a lot of people wouldn't mind paying $1-2 for it.

I think other DLC is great, and imma let you finish, but that would be the highest selling DLC of all time. OF ALL TIME!

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Fast Jimmy wrote...

ibbikiookami wrote...

-TC1989- wrote...

ibbikiookami wrote...

Why doesn't Bioware make the sex scenes optional? You want nudity? Then you can have it. You don't want it? Then you'll have a kiss and fade to black screen.

Maybe as dlc.


That would be ideal. But I bet Bioware doesn't see any real payoff for putting resources into something like that.


Then turn it into a paid dlc. I bet a lot of people wouldn't mind paying $1-2 for it.

I think other DLC is great, and imma let you finish, but that would be the highest selling DLC of all time. OF ALL TIME!


In all seriousness, if someone thinks a romance DLC wouldn't sell, look at the success of Witch Hunt, with most of the happy people being Morrimancers who got their ending (and many who were other-mancers being kind of annoyed that they got a book and no answers).

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I kinda agree with OP. I don't think Bioware should incorporate every suggestion, though :). I'd really like to see a darker DA game. DA2 had a good story but coupled with the cartoon-ish engine, it sort of fell flat. DA:O had a great balance of story and looks.

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ejoslin wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

ibbikiookami wrote...

Then turn it into a paid dlc. I bet a lot of people wouldn't mind paying $1-2 for it.

I think other DLC is great, and imma let you finish, but that would be the highest selling DLC of all time. OF ALL TIME!


In all seriousness, if someone thinks a romance DLC wouldn't sell, look at the success of Witch Hunt, with most of the happy people being Morrimancers who got their ending (and many who were other-mancers being kind of annoyed that they got a book and no answers).

Not to mention the number of those who would enjoy the "other" type of ending with the nude sex scene... :pinched:

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DAO and DAII were very mature, dark enough and violent. Hawk does really bad things with his knife, I wouldn't want to be his ennemy... There are some very good cutscenes in DAII. DA is even depressive sometimes. ( which is good huh ) So I think the Op is only asking for more nudity.

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ejoslin wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

ibbikiookami wrote...

-TC1989- wrote...

ibbikiookami wrote...

Why doesn't Bioware make the sex scenes optional? You want nudity? Then you can have it. You don't want it? Then you'll have a kiss and fade to black screen.

Maybe as dlc.


That would be ideal. But I bet Bioware doesn't see any real payoff for putting resources into something like that.


Then turn it into a paid dlc. I bet a lot of people wouldn't mind paying $1-2 for it.

I think other DLC is great, and imma let you finish, but that would be the highest selling DLC of all time. OF ALL TIME!


In all seriousness, if someone thinks a romance DLC wouldn't sell, look at the success of Witch Hunt, with most of the happy people being Morrimancers who got their ending (and many who were other-mancers being kind of annoyed that they got a book and no answers).


I'm going to assume that was somewhat directed at me. I didn't mean to imply that romances weren't worth investing into. My point was specifically at marketing nudity, and more adult themes into the romances. Personally, I have no problem with nudity from either sex. I don't really understand the problem with having it in the first place, but people raise hell about it, which is ridiculous. I think having the option between nudity, and fade to black would solve some problems, but I just don't see Bioware taking the time to go after that.

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Fast Jimmy wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

ibbikiookami wrote...

Then turn it into a paid dlc. I bet a lot of people wouldn't mind paying $1-2 for it.

I think other DLC is great, and imma let you finish, but that would be the highest selling DLC of all time. OF ALL TIME!


In all seriousness, if someone thinks a romance DLC wouldn't sell, look at the success of Witch Hunt, with most of the happy people being Morrimancers who got their ending (and many who were other-mancers being kind of annoyed that they got a book and no answers).

Not to mention the number of those who would enjoy the "other" type of ending with the nude sex scene... :pinched:


Sex scene or no, I would have paid far more than that for a Zevran DLC, and they probably could have charged TONS for an Alistair DLC.  

I know people who bought the DA2 DLCs for the extra banters from the LIs.  If they had nude sex scenes as well, I may have even bought one.  Just out of curiosity of course.  

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I'm going to assume that was somewhat directed at me. I didn't mean to imply that romances weren't worth investing into. My point was specifically at marketing nudity, and more adult themes into the romances. Personally, I have no problem with nudity from either sex. I don't really understand the problem with having it in the first place, but people raise hell about it, which is ridiculous. I think having the option between nudity, and fade to black would solve some problems, but I just don't see Bioware taking the time to go after that.


Bad assumption, at least regarding my comment.  I honestly think it would sell, and they could charge more than $2 for it.  And I think the big deal people make about it is ridiculous as well, in truth.  Sex is a part of most adult romances, and it's one of the better things in life.  It shouldn't be the huge deal everyone makes it into.

A non-porno sex scene showing tenderness (kind of like DAO's scenes, but minus underwear) is fine.  Pixel porn is silly and better done on sites that specialize in that type of thing.  Fade to black, it works for me as well, honestly, but it would be nice to have a realistic lead up and after talk.

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ROFL .. That remind me when I was a teen and I would rent only Mature game and I would feel ''old'' ... Man .. so .
DOOD I just rented DA GAME.. YEAH ... Mature game .. SO COOOLL.

Look at me man .. Yeahh .. I am Old  ..i can rent mature game and R movies.. Yeah .. I am so old and maaaature.
The game so gritty and maaaaaaaaaaaaature.. Yeah .. Man  am I awesome.. (My dad would usually facepalm)

and the day I have lost my virginity ... At 13 ... I was a FULL GROWN MAN. YEAH!!! .. I got the beard now ... ADULT POWAH. GO away pappy .. I am the man of teh house !!!


:P..


Maturity and adulthood has sooo nothing to do with that. It's about being responsible and if you think blood and ****** in a game is ''mature'' ... You're not there yet .. hahaha

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ejoslin wrote...

-TC1989- wrote...

I'm going to assume that was somewhat directed at me. I didn't mean to imply that romances weren't worth investing into. My point was specifically at marketing nudity, and more adult themes into the romances. Personally, I have no problem with nudity from either sex. I don't really understand the problem with having it in the first place, but people raise hell about it, which is ridiculous. I think having the option between nudity, and fade to black would solve some problems, but I just don't see Bioware taking the time to go after that.


Bad assumption, at least regarding my comment.  I honestly think it would sell, and they could charge more than $2 for it.  And I think the big deal people make about it is ridiculous as well, in truth.  Sex is a part of most adult romances, and it's one of the better things in life.  It shouldn't be the huge deal everyone makes it into.

A non-porno sex scene showing tenderness (kind of like DAO's scenes, but minus underwear) is fine.  Pixel porn is silly and better done on sites that specialize in that type of thing.  Fade to black, it works for me as well, honestly, but it would be nice to have a realistic lead up and after talk.


If Bioware did make a DLC based on that, I would buy it. A couple of bucks for a more immersive game experience? Hell yeah. I agree too that sex is not a big deal at all. Blowing off limbs and seeing your pc drenched in blood is more than fine. But if they see just one nipple or butt cheek, then it's gone WAYYY too far; stupid really.

Of course if their way of making the love scenes more "raw" and "passionate" is bringing back the underwear scenes.... then please to the maker, just keep it fading to black.

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Oh look, it's this one again.


ibbikiookami wrote...

I think DAO was mature enough. But yeah, DA2 was a cartoon in comparison. Something like TW2 would be ideal.


There it is.

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John Epler wrote...

We could fill a game with pendulous dwarf penises, sure. Does that make it more mature?

But let's be clear - mature and adult are not the same thing. Gratuitous nudity and violence make something adult, but you'd have a hard time convincing me that it makes it mature.

Or, more concretely - something like 'Depression Quest' is undoubtedly mature due to the themes it explores and the topics it handles. Something like Gears of War, despite the gore and the violence, is 'adult'.

Regardless, as always, we'll make the game we want with the themes we want and the writing we want and not worry too tremendously about where it falls on the rating scale.

I agree. I would suggest that a game like Deus Ex: HR is a very mature game aimed at adults and I wouldn't mind if BioWare went more in that direction with future games.

Modifié par EpicBoot2daFace, 17 mai 2013 - 10:11 .