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[Sylvianus]

Except prostitutes, nudity and sex which are realistic, what makes TW2 more mature than DAII ? While DAII had many issues with its story, the theme is still pretty dark and very mature. ( potential obviously wasted by ridiculous cartoon animations, childish aesthetic design, etc )

Modifié par Sylvianus, 17 mai 2013 - 08:52 .

[Sutekh]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Oh look, it's this one again.

ibbikiookami wrote...

I think DAO was mature enough. But yeah, DA2 was a cartoon in comparison. Something like TW2 would be ideal.

There it is.

He. Didn't take long this time.

@OP: Pissing on corpses and other graphic horrid things aren't especially mature. They're actually the kind of things a ten year old would find "cool" to implement in a game, or a very immature, sadistic individual. Or someone who would think that we, gamers, are immature, sadistic and have a ten-year old's level of maturity - which is kind of insulting. So until Eric Cartmann or Ramsey Snow become game designers at Bioware, I'd say I'm good with the level of maturity we've had in DA so far (and considering those two are fictional, I think we're safe). Gore and sex for the sake of it have nothing to do in a mature game.

If gory things can help illustrating the horror of a given situation, then don't shy from it. If they're here only so the player can have their fill of power and bloodlust, I really can do without. Same with nudity, sex, or language. Besides, too much of it kills it.

((On another note, the nude mod in DAO has a "tame" version which prevents scenes such as Ostagar from being horrendously hilarious. It actually adds to the drama, IMHO.))

[slimgrin]

ReveurIngenu wrote...

 I don't know, I just feel like I need real mature entertainment,

You've come to the wrong place.

[Allan Schumacher]

I agree. I would suggest that a game like Deus Ex: HR is a very mature game aimed at adults and I wouldn't mind if BioWare went more in that direction with future games.

Agreed. DEHR attempts to explore transhumanism and what its effects would have on humanity, and does a reasonably good job at that (even if Jensen's "I didn't ask for this" get a bit overplayed IMO).

Some interesting ideas such as corporations having control over people (if "patched" to allow it) and stuff like that.

That stuff is mature.


In reality, you can make almost anything "mature." To echo John, a lot of "adult" stuff seems to have been put forth, with some level of "uncomfortable" stuff. The presence of those topics does not create a mature game. It gets rated M for mature because ideally, mature people are able to disassociate fiction from reality, and recognize "the presence of these things means little in this context."

Many games are rated Mature for that reason, not because the content portrayed within said game is in any way mature.

[Sjpelke]

As for seeing nudity in a game, do not need to see that at all  (neither do I need to see ppl rolling around in their private clothes as has been done in the previous games ).

For a game being 'adult' or 'mature' it is not just about having bed scenes in there but also, as has been stated by other posters, the subjects that are being handled and the way they are handled/portrayed.

Hawke's mum being zombified fg. by a crazy mage is a very mature subject which should not be accessible for younger players imho. Another example from DAO is the broodmother/anvil quest. How scary it has been for the individual players is up to them of course .

[ejoslin]

Filament wrote...

Sex scene dlc is a really stupid idea if you guys are srs. Like, bioware bazaar stupid.

It may not be something YOU would buy, but there are several popular mods out there are based on just that.

If you could charge $2 for a few lines of dialog and a 30 second cut scene, and get 500k downloads (the top adult mod on the nexus -- so PC only -- has over 600k downloads and it just changes the sexscenes to a bit more explicit), it sounds like profit.  And people who hate that stuff wouldn't have to be subjected to it.

I'm sorry, why would this be stupid again?  Because you're not the target audience?  Fair enough.  There are a lot of people who would be very interested in it, and many more who would perhaps buy it out of curiosity (though there is youtube, so it would have to be very well done).

Anyway, I'm not even sure it WOULD work as a DLC, and I'm fairly certain they would not want to release them as they don't want to get even more of a reputation of being a "romance RPG" company.  But again, given the popularity of Witch Hunt, and how satisfied most Morri-mancers were and how annoyed non-Morrimancers were, don't think that romance DLCs wouldn't sell, especially if done well.

I don't think people want pixel-porn, though.  Just a little more depth to the romances.

Edit: I agree with many that "adult" does not mean "explicit."  So I suppose this is a bit of an off-topic tirade.

Modifié par ejoslin, 17 mai 2013 - 09:23 .

[ejoslin]

Filament wrote...

@ ejoslin Well your previous comparison to Witch Hunt was fishy because that wasn't sex scene DLC at all, and as to your more applicable comparison to nude mods, yeah I think it's pretty stupid that bioware would actually produce and sell such a thing. There's a reason those are mods. It does say something about who they're trying to cater to. Call me closed-minded.

No, the reason I'm comparing it to witch hunt is that it, in a major part, was giving closure to the Morrigan romance, though it didn't advertise itself as such.  Many people who romanced Morrigan were very happy with it for that reason, while it offered little, really, but more questions for people who didn't romance her.

And DA2 and DA3 (most likely) doesn't/wont have the tools out to make mods like that.

It actually is more in response to people being offended by sex scenes and someone suggested a toggle and someone suggested DLC instead.  And I pointed out it would make a lot of $$

There's no way I think that BW would make it, though.  So obviously, they're not only about the $$ like many like to claim.  


ETA: I also pointed out that there were people who said they bought DA2 DLC for the additional banter that the LIs had.  There obviously is a market for this.

Speaking of fan made romance mods, I wonder how much they could have charged for a professional "Alistair's Wedding."  I bet a LOT.  A "Zevran's Wedding" probably would have had a few more sales.  Too bad all the Zevran's Wedding projects got abandoned.  The couple scenes that were made were quite good.

Modifié par ejoslin, 17 mai 2013 - 09:42 .

[AtreiyaN7]

*headdesk* Maturity doesn't correlate to the number of penis shots or boob shots that you get in a movie - it stems from the central theme(s) and conflict, in combination with intelligent writing. You're mistaking having an abundance of gratuitous nudity, violence, and gore for "maturity." I watch cheesy horror movies every week as I've pointed out in topics like this (I watch them because I like to mock the films MST3K-style). Therefore, I've seen a bazillion examples of eye-gouging and creative dismemberment at this point in my life.

And you know what? Most of these movies have bad acting, infantile dialogue, and characters that are dumber than rocks. In fact, I believe that the level of intelligence and maturity in these films is inversely proportional to the amount of nudity, gore, and violence in them.

To put that more simply: the dumber a horror movie is, the more the have to rely on torture porn because the scriptwriters have zero talent. Sidenote: I also believe that the more sequels there are in a horror series, the dumber the movies get (case in point: Wrong Turn 5, which wins the award for dumbest entrant yet in the Wrong Turn series).

Furthermore, some of your examples are ridiculous. You know what urinating on a corpse accomplishes? It makes you and your entire country look like idiots in front of the entire world, and it earns you the enmity of an awful lot of people. Do you know why? Because doing something like that is the exact OPPOSITE of being mature and intelligent. IRL, those three Marines in Afghanistan (the ones who thought urinating on the corpses of their enemies was a good idea) didn't exactly win us any friends thanks to their childish, thoughtless, and immature behavior.

Ever watch A Clockwork Orange? That's an example of a film that has nudity, sex, and violence, but it's based on a smart and intelligent book. All things considered, I found it relatively tame when compared to some of the movies I've seen with more gore, violence, sex, and/or nudity. However, it's far superior to an awful lot of those movies. And some films don't need sex or gore at all - for example, Inception was an intelligent and mature film that tackled an interesting concept without nudity and gore.

[Noctis Augustus]

You people do realize he's talking about the rating right? Not the game itself.

Mature Content (rating) - Intense violence, blood and gore, sexual content and/or strong language.

He's asking for Bioware to make DAIII fit the mature rating more. Not turn it into a Teen Content (rating) game.

Modifié par ibbikiookami, 17 mai 2013 - 09:48 .

[Althix]

M for mature?
hmm you know in 15 years i can name only one game that should only be sold to adults. it is a spec ops the line.
level of violence there is sky high.

blood, ****** and asses etc. kids can watch on tv or see in school, there is nothing new in video games in that aspect.
also ea claims that gay parade in da2 is the reason why game was so badly received(but we know it is not truth entirely) so i guess only rainbows and butterflies from now on. sex scenes in underwear and other stuff.

i should also remind you my dear bsn that pegi 12+ did nothing good to wwe. and new pc can be a mediocre like John Cena (for example).

Modifié par secretsandlies, 17 mai 2013 - 09:48 .

[AresKeith]

I want our character to say "We'll bang ok?"

[slimgrin]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

*headdesk* Maturity doesn't correlate to the number of penis shots or boob shots that you get in a movie 

That's all well and good. Except nudity, sex and gore are a part of being human. That's why other artists, authors, game developers include these elements. They exist in real life. As for Bioware, I say they stay the course. They've always been known for a family friendly approach, and it seems to be where their writing is best.

Modifié par slimgrin, 17 mai 2013 - 10:01 .

[LolaLei]

John Epler wrote...

We could fill a game with pendulous dwarf penises, sure. Does that make it more mature?

 

*Spits coffee across the room*

[ejoslin]

AresKeith wrote...

I want our character to say "We'll bang ok?"

I think clicking on the tent is a better option.  Then a pulldown menu of all your options can come up, and then you can hear a bunch of giggling and such while the tent spins in circles and heart and harp music plays...

Or has that been done already?

[Tinu]

Here you have what you want: dragonage.nexusmods.com/mods/221/ (Natural Bodies mod)

Modifié par TinuHawke, 17 mai 2013 - 09:56 .

[Noctis Augustus]

EntropicAngel wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

That's all well and good. Except nudity, sex and gore are a part of being human. That's why other artists, authors, game developers include these elements. They exist in real life. As for Bioware, I say they stay the course. They've always been know for a family friendly approach, and it seems to be where their writing is best.

"Part of being human" has nothing to do with maturity.

And gore, really? I'd doubt that at this point in history.

Actually it does, in this age anyway. People hide reality from children, therefore reality is mature. Stupid I know.

[The Hierophant]

Regardless of maturity, immaturity or nudity, i hope there's less  "I love big boats and i cannot lie, Apostitutes, Did he shank your Jory?", Varric's recreation of Scarface, "Felicitate me", or STDs = comedy moments in DAI.

Modifié par The Hierophant, 17 mai 2013 - 10:13 .

[Allan Schumacher]

That's all well and good, except nudity, sex and gore are a part of being human. that's why other artists, authors, game developers include these elements. They exist.

They do indeed exist. There's a lot of artists, authors, and game developers that also do not include any or some of those elements. I wouldn't call those works of art to be any more or less mature simply based on the inclusion of those things.

[Wulfram]

I think Mass Effect 3 was probably Bioware's most mature game. I mean, firmly putting aside the endings because I don't want to totally hijack the thread, it's dealing with some pretty heavy themes of death on a massive scale and sacrifice and all that. There are some relatively minor less mature elements like, say, EDI's body, but that doesn't change the overall tone .

Maybe it's more mature if you don't have a good import and Shepard is a bit less of a Space Messiah? Though if so, that might suggest that Mature correlates with less fun, for me - my bad import game was quite an experience, but it didn't really give me the sense of relaxing fun I'm after when I go on the computer, so I haven't repeated it like I have the ones where Shepard can usually get the best of both worlds.