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[slimgrin]

Plaintiff wrote...

You know that Bioware doesn't choose its own rating, right? 

Oh...yes they do.

[Steppenwolf]

Darth Death wrote...

BasilKarlo wrote...

Darth Death wrote...

@ BasilKarlo
Sexual impulse is nothing new, but people who give into them without self constraint are no different from wild animals. 

... what does that have to do with anything? I mean that's just your opinion and not one I even agree with, but seriously, what does that have to do with anything?

I responded to your statement that had nothing to do with anything to my initial post , that's why you're probably bewilder. 

What? Are you trying to make as little sense as possible to avoid conceding the argument?

[Fast Jimmy]

Gamer Ftw wrote...

 Doubt it would make the news 

The "sex" scenes in ME1 made the news. It was reported as a sex game, where you can fornicate with multiple aliens in disturbing ways, giving exact instruction as to how you would "like it" done. 

It later came out that the supposed expert giving this information hadn't even played Mass Effect and had "heard it" from someone. It became a bit of a joke amongst the gaming community.

[Plaintiff]

Darth Death wrote...
@ BasilKarlo
Sexual impulse is nothing new, but people who give into them without self constraint are no different from wild animals. 

Except for all the clothing, and the buildings, and the justice system, and the politics...

[Fast Jimmy]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

ibbikiookami wrote...

I have just seen Metro: Last Light's review and it seems they handled the violence and gore part extremely well and the sex and nudity badly, boobs for boobs sake. At least they didn't hide or suppress it though...

After admitting that the review said that they botched the sex and nudity...why on earth would you give them lukewarm praise because they had boobs just for the sake of having them? I think it's hardly something to be lauded when it was handled poorly according to that review.

There's only suppression or censorship in a game if the devs are strong-armed into removing mature content (nudity, violence, sex, controversial topics, etc.) that they wish to keep and that they feel is integral to their story/art. A real tragedy is when great works of art are defaced because of real suppression and censorship.

You should read about what happened to The Last Judgment on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel. Short version: the dangly bit were covered up by a later painter because the religious prudes of the time were offended by nudity. One portion of the painting was actually destroyed and repainted due to implied sexual intercourse.

Michelangelo celebrated the human form and its lines (nude bits included), and he created powerful works of art that have stood the test of time. I'm not really sure that Metro: Last Light and its boobs or any other video game (and its boobs) can ever aspire to that.


http://en.wikipedia....s_Last_Judgment

Daniele is infamous for having covered over, with vestments and fig-leaves, many of the genitals and backsides in Michelangelo's The Last Judgment fresco in the Sistine Chapel. This work was begun in 1565, shortly after the Council of Trent had condemned nudity in religious art. It earned Daniele the nickname "Il Braghettone" ("the breeches-maker").

He also chiseled away a part of the fresco and repainted the larger part of Saint Catherine and the entire figure of Saint Blaise behind her. This was done because in the original version Blaise had appeared to look at Catherine's naked behind, and because to some observers the position of their bodies suggested sexual intercourse.

The loincloths and draperies in the lower half of the fresco, however, were not painted by Daniele. His work on the Last Judgment was interrupted at the end of 1565 by the death of Pope Pius IV, after which the scaffolding he used had to be removed quickly because the chapel was needed for the election of a new pope.

Though it has been said in this thread earlier, Bioware has said on numerous occassions they don't want to do more nudity. I believe I heard one writer say it would weird them out, to have the characters they created just strutting around nude or doing more "graphic" things than what are shown in the existing scenes.

So... this isn't an issue of Bioware deeply wanting to do more "adult" or "mature" sex content... they don't. So it is not a matter of censorship.

Michaelangelo wanted to do nude paintings on the Sistine Chapel. More power to him. De Goya painted people devouring each other. Rembrandt painted mostly facial portraits. To each their own.

Just because someone doesn't want to create sex content that people demand doesn't make them A) afraid of being censored or a prude. It just means that they don't want to create that content.

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 18 mai 2013 - 02:48 .

[UnderlAlDyingSun]

Wait a minute...so Disney isn't making the next Dragon Age?

GET OUT!

[Darth Death]

BasilKarlo wrote...

Darth Death wrote...

BasilKarlo wrote...

Darth Death wrote...

@ BasilKarlo
Sexual impulse is nothing new, but people who give into them without self constraint are no different from wild animals. 

... what does that have to do with anything? I mean that's just your opinion and not one I even agree with, but seriously, what does that have to do with anything?

I responded to your statement that had nothing to do with anything to my initial post , that's why you're probably bewilder. 

What? Are you trying to make as little sense as possible to avoid conceding the argument?

LOL not at all, friend. I'm frivolous about debates on BSN, but as fun as this discussion was I'll like to eat a hot pocket & get some sleep. Until we meet again:)

[Fast Jimmy]

Plaintiff wrote...

Darth Death wrote...
@ BasilKarlo
Sexual impulse is nothing new, but people who give into them without self constraint are no different from wild animals. 

Except for all the clothing, and the buildings, and the justice system, and the politics...

And the science. Pray to Logic you don't forget about that Science.

[slimgrin]

iiReaperZz wrote...

Wait a minute...so Disney isn't making the next Dragon Age?

GET OUT!

Not far off.

[Gamer Ftw]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Gamer Ftw wrote...

 Doubt it would make the news 

The "sex" scenes in ME1 made the news. It was reported as a sex game, where you can fornicate with multiple aliens in disturbing ways, giving exact instruction as to how you would "like it" done. 

It later came out that the supposed expert giving this information hadn't even played Mass Effect and had "heard it" from someone. It became a bit of a joke amongst the gaming community.

Sigh,people depress the heck out of me sometimes.
We all have genitals,most of us like sex why is it such a big deal?
Of course I can't believe most of the trivial bull**** they put on the news.
Maybe we wouldn't have such a ****ty world if more people got laid.
How is making another person feel good such a taboo thing?

Modifié par Gamer Ftw, 18 mai 2013 - 03:00 .

[Ihatebadgames]

Wish it was HBO.

[Thandal N'Lyman]

slimgrin wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

You know that Bioware doesn't choose its own rating, right? 

Oh...yes they do.

Oh no they don't.  Like movie ratings (in the US), the publisher submits the game to a ratings agency.  In this case, the Entertainment Software Rating Board (ESRB) which assigns its rating based on its own, rather arcane, methodology. 

EA, or any other publisher, may have a target rating they anticipate receiving, and may have made deliberate design choices hoping to achieve that target, but they don't "choose" the rating.

[Zack_Nero]

Thandal NLyman wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

You know that Bioware doesn't choose its own rating, right? 

Oh...yes they do.

Oh no they don't.  Like movie ratings (in the US), the publisher submits the game to a ratings agency.  In this case, the Entertainment Software Rating Board (ESRB) which assigns its rating based on its own, rather arcane, methodology. 

EA, or any other publisher, may have a target rating they anticipate receiving, and may have made deliberate design choices hoping to achieve that target, but they don't "choose" the rating.

It is really a fity-fity thing.  Just because BioWare isn't able to label it, they have the idea as to what it would be.  Yea, publisher companies can lean to what it may be, however, it does rest with the developer in general.

[Rawgrim]

LinksOcarina wrote...

I have a feeling you don't know what mature means, it seems.

What is PG-13 about half of the stuff that was in Mass Effect 3, can you show an example?

Jack`s  F-words getting cut, and pretty much all swearing or refferances of that nature being gone. No frontal nudity. No human blood. Thats usually what PG-13 is all about. Protecting the teen`s minds from such horrors.

[Rawgrim]

John Epler wrote...

Lenimph wrote...

There should be some kind of equal exploitation law that shows a penis for every pair of breasts we see.

Then no one would be asking for a more "mature" game.

Male genitalia, far as the eye can see.

Waves of Dickspawn? Hurl****s? Genitalialocks?

[Gamer Ftw]

Rawgrim wrote...

John Epler wrote...

Lenimph wrote...

There should be some kind of equal exploitation law that shows a penis for every pair of breasts we see.

Then no one would be asking for a more "mature" game.

Male genitalia, far as the eye can see.

Waves of Dickspawn? Hurl****s? Genitalialocks?

They have a mod for ogres with penises.
If I'm being chased by huge ogre boners I'm quitting the blight.

Modifié par Gamer Ftw, 18 mai 2013 - 04:15 .

[10K]

ReveurIngenu wrote...

Who said anything about virtual porno?  Now you're just reducing my suggestion to "I want to see animated sex." and I find that insulting.

What I want, and what I meant by "mature", is that I don't want to be shielded.  When you kill someone using weapons, their body will take damage.  It is normal for things like decapitation, head bashing, limb cutting, etc. to happen.  You don't want to show that, don't make a game where you kill people!

When people have sex, they get naked.  I don't need to see a full out sex scene with penetration.  I do however wish to see realistic portrayals of it (as in both people getting undressed, seeing butt shots or chest shots, etc.).  I don't want to see it because I'm an immature pervert, but because that's what happens!  Nudity is not pornographic or unnecessary or immature, nor is wanting to see it.

Again, I use the example of Spartacus, the TV series.  The sex scenes were tastefully done.  You saw breasts, humping, thrusting.  Yet nobody would consider it immature to have wanted to portray those scenes.  Same with the killing scenes which were graphic.

I agree with this. Not that I'm all for the over the top suggestion like peeing on corpses, but if BW put it in their game okay. But anyway you have a point here. I'm sure in this next DA there will be violence and yes I would like to see the damage my weapon caused on my opponent. I'd like to see the slashes and gashes on the body of my enemy if possible, that would be great. BW should also think about realistic blood spatter and smears after battle. DA2 and Origins was just cartoony when it came to this. Your character would look as if he just got done showering in blood, even after just killing a small rat.

As for the sex thing, sure way not add some more detail, I disliked the dry humping in clothing anyway.

[ArcaneJTM]

mosesarose wrote...

I agree with this. Not that I'm all for the over the top suggestion like peeing on corpses, but if BW put it in their game okay. But anyway you have a point here. I'm sure in this next DA there will be violence and yes I would like to see the damage my weapon caused on my opponent. I'd like to see the slashes and gashes on the body of my enemy if possible, that would be great. BW should also think about realistic blood spatter and smears after battle. DA2 and Origins was just cartoony when it came to this. Your character would look as if he just got done showering in blood, even after just killing a small rat.

As for the sex thing, sure way not add some more detail, I disliked the dry humping in clothing anyway.

Well, what do you expect when you cast Walking Bomb on a rat?  :innocent:

[10K]

ArcaneJTM wrote...

mosesarose wrote...

I agree with this. Not that I'm all for the over the top suggestion like peeing on corpses, but if BW put it in their game okay. But anyway you have a point here. I'm sure in this next DA there will be violence and yes I would like to see the damage my weapon caused on my opponent. I'd like to see the slashes and gashes on the body of my enemy if possible, that would be great. BW should also think about realistic blood spatter and smears after battle. DA2 and Origins was just cartoony when it came to this. Your character would look as if he just got done showering in blood, even after just killing a small rat.

As for the sex thing, sure way not add some more detail, I disliked the dry humping in clothing anyway.

Well, what do you expect when you cast Walking Bomb on a rat?  :innocent:

Touché. But what if I just stabbed the rat, say only one time:P

[Rann]

Ah, the problem with being late to see a thread -- I only log on when we've reached the point of locker room humor.

Gotta agree with some others on the thread that mature isn't about content but ideas.  As an example:  one of the most "mature" stories I can think of is The Great Gatsby.  I haven't seen the current movie, so I don't know what they did with it there, but if you read the book (and it's one of my favorites), you never get any overt sex, only implied sex, and the "nudity" is limited to one breast visible on a corpse.  And yet the concepts are very well developed, and likely only to resonate in the mature mind which has had enough time to have had similar experiences.  (I had to read it in high school decades ago, and while I appreciated it then, my subsequent re-readings as an adult had far more impact on me.)  Conversely, movies and games rated for adults or "mature" often have a most juvenile basis (for example, most rated-R fare these days).

That's not to say that such things have no place in mature stories. For example, I thought the movie "The Cook, The Thief, His Wife, and Her Lover" was brilliantly wicked and "mature" despite its graphic nature -- but it all made sense in the context of the story.  Or, imagine a video game based on Piers Anthony's "Apprentice Adept" series -- again, lots of nudity would totally makes sense, because the requirement of nudity (and the differing view of it between Serfs, Citizens, and Phazites) is one of the pillars of the story and again, it's a (mostly) "mature" story in the best sense of the word.  If that's the sort of story that DA3 tells, that's fine.  But I find the slapping on of sex and nudity for its own sake (and not for the story's sake) to be "lowest common denominator" pandering that hurts immersion, designed to support a definition of mature that I don't subscribe to.

Yeah, I know, YMMV...

[Urazz]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Gamer Ftw wrote...

 Doubt it would make the news 

The "sex" scenes in ME1 made the news. It was reported as a sex game, where you can fornicate with multiple aliens in disturbing ways, giving exact instruction as to how you would "like it" done. 

It later came out that the supposed expert giving this information hadn't even played Mass Effect and had "heard it" from someone. It became a bit of a joke amongst the gaming community.

Yeah, and look what happened.  Nothing came of it.  Fox News and the politicians can **** and moan all they want but the video game industry has precautions set up to prevent kids from playing more mature games with the rating system and most retailers enforce that system by not selling those games to kids as well.

If a kid gets ahold of an M rated game then it's either the retailer's fault for selling a kid an M rated game or the parents' fault for buying their kids an M rated game and letting them play it.

[wsandista]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Aaaaaaaand, now it's a requirement that every thread like this must mention with heavy snark that Bioware "shouldn't be afraid of Fox News."

Aaaaaaaaaaaand, now it's a requirement that every time a relevant response is given to someone's post, someone has to white knight for poor FOX News.