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[DocDVD]

 I also have some form of predicamet with all this DLC stuff:

I originally had an US Xbox (with a US Live account, etc.) as I got my console during a prolonged business stay in the US. Well, the console died on me before christmas and I had to get a replacement  - which is now a EU model as I'm back in europe now.

As ME2 will be region locked according to the Devs I have to get a UK version now - so I have absolutely no idea if all this day one DLC (or any DLC in general) will work together with a UK version and my US Live account.

So more or less I get the "screwed" feeling despite being a paying customer again - ME2 will be a test run for me, if the stuff that is "extra/DLC" doesn't work I certainly won't buy a launch game anymore, if I buy it at all.

[Phoenixblight]

DocDVD wrote...

 I also have some form of predicamet with all this DLC stuff:

I originally had an US Xbox (with a US Live account, etc.) as I got my console during a prolonged business stay in the US. Well, the console died on me before christmas and I had to get a replacement  - which is now a EU model as I'm back in europe now.

As ME2 will be region locked according to the Devs I have to get a UK version now - so I have absolutely no idea if all this day one DLC (or any DLC in general) will work together with a UK version and my US Live account.

So more or less I get the "screwed" feeling despite being a paying customer again - ME2 will be a test run for me, if the stuff that is "extra/DLC" doesn't work I certainly won't buy a launch game anymore, if I buy it at all.

I would never buy different countries Console system for this reason. This is in no way Bioware's fault. Region locking is still very common in this day and age.

[horvagab]

There's no XBL in my country as far as I know, so I'm screwed with DLCs, maybe if they release them later in a DLC pack I can buy my "free DLCs". Yay...

[DocDVD]

Phoenixblight wrote...
I would never buy different countries Console system for this reason. This is in no way Bioware's fault. Region locking is still very common in this day and age.

Well, I disagree partially - everyone is preaching about a global economy, but if you are a customer that travels frequently the media industry seems like a bunch of small insular villages where it is simply not possible to obtain content worldwide and take it with you.

And region locking is nothing less than a stick up the #### of the customer. 

Well and I simply refuse to buy localized versions of games - have you ever heard the german version of ME1? If your lucky enough you manage to cut the audio before your ears bleed and your brain melts - YIKES!

Modifié par DocDVD, 17 janvier 2010 - 10:47 .

[Phoenixblight]

DocDVD wrote...

Phoenixblight wrote...
I would never buy different countries Console system for this reason. This is in no way Bioware's fault. Region locking is still very common in this day and age.

Well, I disagree partially - everyone is preaching about a global economy, but if you are a customer that travels frequently the media industry seems like a bunch of small insular villages where it is simply not possible to obtain content worldwide and take it with you.

And region locking is nothing less than a stick up the #### of the customer. 

Well and I simply refuse to buy localized versions of games - have you ever heard the german version of ME1? If your lucky enough you manage to cut the audio before your ears bleed and your brain melts - YIKES!

No I have not. I think it region locking has more going on behind the scenes such as laws against content that is on the AMerican version compared to AUssie or German. 

[TuringPoint]

It also discourages pirating.



But it's sort of obnoxious, yeah.

[DJStarstryker]

Okay, OP, here's how 360 DLC works in a nutshell. When you buy DLC, you get 2 license keys for it: a console license key and a gamertag license key. The console license key tags it to that particular console you download it with, the gamertag license key tags it to the particular gamertag you downloaded it with. With me so far? Good.

You only need ONE of these two licenses at any one time to play DLC.

What this means is this:

1. You can play DLC on the console you downloaded it on under the gamertag you downloaded it with.
2. You can play DLC on the console you downloaded it on with ANY other gamertag.
3.  You can play DLC on ANY console under the gamertag you downloaded it with IF you are connected to Xbox Live (for validation reasons) and have the DLC on a memory card or hard drive connected to that console.

If your wife is not able to play DLC, this means you do not have the console license and therefore did not download the DLC originally on that console. You can get a console license by transferring licenses. You can only do this once a year, go to Xbox.com for more info.

My husband and I have separate gamertags but play on the same console. I can play every DLC he downloads and vice versa because of #2 above. Yes, this includes the original Mass Effect. And many other games.

[dirtypaulie]

ibplunderin wrote...

Is everybody fine with this? I am just wondering if any of you have a gamer wife like I do, and find it infuriating with Dragon age and Mass Effect 2 (and Assassins creed 2) that they take out part of the game and include it as "dlc" if you buy it new, but it only works on one of the Xbox profiles. So effectively one of us are going to be screwed out of somehting that should be on the disc anyways, and then whoever get to have the party member will feel like a douche for being able to play it.

I 'd Mass Effect, and really wanted to get Dragon Age (but didn't want to pay a ridiculous amount of money just so I can play the actual full game) and now that I found out they are doing this crap again I might not get Mass Effect 2. So Bioware is there any chance you will actually let your "dlc" work on all profiles? or any way that we can both get the "dlc" short of buying it twice?

I thought if you download it to your xbox all profiles are able to use the content on that particular 360 even if its offline. That's how mine works

[AlbertoAquilani]

Well considering it's free, I don't mind. It was probably not in the initial gameplan or it was just an idea by EA. Either way, I'm not so adverse to DLC, I know it can be considered as a money-grabbing scheme but two examples, both Assassin's Creed II and Mass Effect 2.



Assassin's Creed II is one of my favourite games this generation, probably second only to Mass Effect and now I hear they're releasing 2 DLCs early this year to add what didn't make the cut so to me it's a good use for developers to expand on ideas and levels they didn't have time to create during the process. That goes for Mass Effect 2. So it'll be interesting what Bioware does.

[ibplunderin]

I am surprised this thread went on this long. We had a discussion, then it was resolved, and then the troll showed up. After that it is like no one even read wtf this thread was about Most of the posts are completely off of what I was talking about. Either way I don't mind it, if it goes through bioware servers so I can use the "dlc" on all profiles on my xbox, and am going to get it on launch day again.

So thanks again to everyone that posted before the publicforum troll posted and everyone lost their intelligence.

dirtypaulie wrote...

I thought if you download it to your xbox all profiles are able to use the content on that particular 360 even if its offline. That's how mine works

Don't think so, I even deleted it and downloaded it again and the DLC for ME still wouldn't work on her profile.

Alocormin wrote...

It also discourages pirating.

But it's sort of obnoxious, yeah.

Not really. Pirates have had return to Ostagar for the last couple of weeks, and all dlc (all the different pre-orders and dragon armor). I hate that gamestop gets a special piece of dlc for almost every game that comes out now, becasue they seem like great unlockables you would normally unlock in game, but no now they have to be dlc to pay for what would normally be a cool unlockable in games. That is mostly my discontent with crappy dlc though, where people just nickel and dime you instead of making dlc I would pay for. Like the Fallout 3 dlc, where it is actually worth the money and is like a small expac.

It does however discourage used game sales, which I am fine with as long as it works like how dragon age does so everyone on my xbox can use the dlc.

AlbertoAquilani wrote...

Well considering it's free, I
don't mind. It was probably not in the initial gameplan or it was just
an idea by EA. Either way, I'm not so adverse to DLC, I know it can be
considered as a money-grabbing scheme but two examples, both Assassin's
Creed II and Mass Effect 2.

Assassin's Creed II is one of my
favourite games this generation, probably second only to Mass Effect
and now I hear they're releasing 2 DLCs early this year to add what
didn't make the cut so to me it's a good use for developers to expand
on ideas and levels they didn't have time to create during the process.
That goes for Mass Effect 2. So it'll be interesting what Bioware
does.

this is one of the many posts that was also not really getting what I was talking about at all. But it brings up AC2. I also love AC2, however I get the templar compound dlc with the game since I bought it new. It only works on one profile, even though its not a game changing thing it is still a nice little side quest that gives out a nice reward that my wife now doesn't get to use becasue of the "dlc" that came with it new. I am most likely not going to get any of the AC2 dlc that comes out even though it seems awesome because my wife won't get to play it unless we both buy it, and i'm not made of money.

However since Mass Effect 2 seems to work like Dragon Age i'm fine with it, and all of these things against used game sales as long as they still let you use them on every profile on the same system.

Also if anyone else feels like posting in this thread, please just read the first two or three sentences ffs. I am not complainging about day 1 dlc that is included if you buy the game new (even though that will be bad later down the road, since people will not have characters that should be on the disc when you can only get it used years down the line) I am complaining about how it doesn't work for all profiles on the 360, however I have been informed that it will be working for all profiles on the 360 so thats great.

Modifié par ibplunderin, 17 janvier 2010 - 01:54 .

[dirtypaulie]

ibplunderin wrote...

Don't think so, I even deleted it and downloaded it again and the DLC for ME still wouldn't work on her profile.

Wow that sucks, makes me wanna double check my box

[SorrowAndJoy7]

Psychotic Prankster wrote...

Its only a win situation if you have the money to pre-order and get it on launch day for full price. Sure if you can go enjoy your free dlc but for the guy who can't afford it on release day has to wait a few weeks has to get it
pre-owned oh but he can still get the day 1 dlc on live for 1200 to 2400 MS points Yeah thats a win situation.

As far as i know it's not required you get it on launch day, just wait more then a few weeks and get it as the price for new drops.

This is a business, not a charity... If you buy it pre-owned and Bioware doesn't get the profits from that, why should they care how it caters to you? I mean the person buying it preowned sure as hell isn't catering to what bioware wants. I understand that people want all the little extras, but bioware is trying to place a little incentive, it's not required for playing, it won't make or break the game. Businesses make business decisions, if you were running a business and you realized you wanted to keep it going for as long as possible, maybe you'd understand that while they want all their customers to be happy, they do need to find ways to be as profitable as possible.

[Psychotic Prankster]

Phoenixblight wrote...




Thats your own fault, buy it new and you would have gotten the DLC for free. ITs day 1 DLC doesn't mean only launch day you would get it free. SHould be buying the game new it supports great developers to continuing do so with buying second hand you are not supporting them.  THis is a way to attack second hand buying and it seems to be sticking atleast with EA.

Erm where did I mention that I bought it pre owned? I pre ordered it and got the DLC. I was just making the point  that day one dlc is unfair on the gamers that can't afford to buy there games full price. Don't tell me what I should be doing if I see a chance at saving some money by buying pre-owned chance is im going to to do it.

[izmirtheastarach]

Psychotic Prankster wrote...

Erm where did I mention that I bought it pre owned? I pre ordered it and got the DLC. I was just making the point  that day one dlc is unfair on the gamers that can't afford to buy there games full price. Don't tell me what I should be doing if I see a chance at saving some money by buying pre-owned chance is im going to to do it.

If you can't afford the game at full price, tough. There is absolutely no incentive for the publishers to make life easier on people who want to buy pre-owned games. Those people have no leverage whatsover. What are they going to do if they feel they are being treated unfairly? Not buy the game? They were going to buy it pre-owned anyways, so what does the publsiher care? They don't lost any money.

People who buy pre-owned games are not their customers.

[Psychotic Prankster]

SorrowAndJoy7 wrote...

Psychotic Prankster wrote...

Its only a win situation if you have the money to pre-order and get it on launch day for full price. Sure if you can go enjoy your free dlc but for the guy who can't afford it on release day has to wait a few weeks has to get it
pre-owned oh but he can still get the day 1 dlc on live for 1200 to 2400 MS points Yeah thats a win situation.

As far as i know it's not required you get it on launch day, just wait more then a few weeks and get it as the price for new drops.

This is a business, not a charity... If you buy it pre-owned and Bioware doesn't get the profits from that, why should they care how it caters to you? I mean the person buying it preowned sure as hell isn't catering to what bioware wants. I understand that people want all the little extras, but bioware is trying to place a little incentive, it's not required for playing, it won't make or break the game. Businesses make business decisions, if you were running a business and you realized you wanted to keep it going for as long as possible, maybe you'd understand that while they want all their customers to be happy, they do need to find ways to be as profitable as possible.

Hmm Ok I can agree with that.

[Master Zoen]

javierabegazo wrote...

>.> Not all DLC is just stripped from the main game.

That aside, yes, I love that they're doing this "Buy our game new, so we get profits, and in turn we reward you with extra".

Games and the development process are getting increasingly more complex and intricate, their pumping more out of the existing tech, the experience is richer, and everyone still wants to pay less for the same experience.

I have no problem paying money for a new copy of ME2, which makes sure my money goes to BIoware, which they in turn get to make even better games.
And on top of that, they give you a freebie for it.

But I understand your frustrations about the DLC items limiting to one gamer profile

Frankly, I'm horrified by this concept! I don't know about everyone else, but here in TX, I have to work hard for what little pay I get. As a result, more than 90% of my games are bought used, and at least half of those were under 30 bucks! I have many things to spend money on that are far more important, like rent and utilities. After all, I can't play any game I buy without electricity! Not only that but my girl plays the same games I do, so now we have to pay an extra amount just so she can have full access on her own profile? WTF! Why not just tie the access to the XBOX 360's Network ID code or MAC address written in to the hardware, which is accessed everytime the console logs on to XBL!
I'm not sure how to do something similar with the pc, but maybe it's time that the game company's stopped releasing perma clones on multiple platforms. Heck, why do I have to pay $10 more for my version on the X360 than for the pc version?

I have already pre-ordered ME 2, and I don't regret that decision, but I had to choose between pre-ordering and buying 3 other games, in the end it was actually the armors for the preorder that made me decide to do so, just as with DA: Origins. However, I likely will not be pre-ordering any other game until ME 3 is released. I just don't have that kind of money.

To be honest, I really enjoy buying games used, it's like taking a little orphan nobody wants into your home; it gives me a warm fuzzy feeling and it doesn't increase the bills any. I think that producers should encourage the buyback retail arena, and if they aren't making any money out of it, maybe they should have their own retail stores or arrange something with those that do. I've been a huge fan of BioWare for a long time, but frankly, this new pro-profit attitude seems to be a huge break from their previous "Gamers First" concept the company started with. Especially when you consider the declining economy here in the US, I have to wonder:
Why they think such actions would be embraced by We the People?

[Master Zoen]

javierabegazo wrote...

>.> Not all DLC is just stripped from the main game.

That aside, yes, I love that they're doing this "Buy our game new, so we get profits, and in turn we reward you with extra".

Games and the development process are getting increasingly more complex and intricate, their pumping more out of the existing tech, the experience is richer, and everyone still wants to pay less for the same experience.

I have no problem paying money for a new copy of ME2, which makes sure my money goes to BIoware, which they in turn get to make even better games.
And on top of that, they give you a freebie for it.

But I understand your frustrations about the DLC items limiting to one gamer profile

I'm actually very disconcerted by this. I don't know about everyone else, but here in TX, I work very hard for what little pay I make. Over 90% of my games are bought used, and at least half of those were under 30 bucks! There are many things I need to spend my money on that are more important than game, rent and utilities being the most prominent. After all, I can't play any game I buy without electricity!

Not only that, buy my girl plays many of the same games I do, and now we have to pay extra just so she can have the full experience on her profile? WTF! Why not just tie the access to the XBOX 360's NET ID or MAC Address tied into the hardware, which is accessed everytime the console logs on to XBL? Microsoft already has a system in place to do it. No muss, No fuss.
I don't know how something similar would be done with the PC, but, then again, maybe it's time developers stopped releasing perma clones on multiple platforms. Heck, for that matter, why do I have to pay $10 more for my version on the X360 than for the version on PC?

I've already Pre-ordered ME 2, and I don't regret that decision, but it was a tough choice. Spend $75 bucks on one new game, or buy 3 used games for less? In the end, it was the armors available through pre-ordering that made my choice for me, just like with DA: Origins. I probably won't be pre-ordering another game until ME 3, however, as my money is very limited.

However, I really enjoy buying used games; I've yet to buy a game I didn't like and can only shake my head at the idiot that bought and then sold it. It gives me a warm fuzzy feeling when I buy a game that someone else didn't want and giving it a loving home where it will be played over and over again for years to come.

I believe that game companies should encourage the resale arena, after all, they've already made a profit of the game from it's first sale. Not only that but resale copies means more people buying those DLC expansions. Also, that hefty price tag on a newly released game is responsible for the gaming industry being worth hundreds of billions a year. Heck, gaming is 2nd only to porn in that regard, outstripping videos and music easily. This new "Pro-Profit" theme is a huge divergence from the "Gamers First" attitude BioWARE exclaimed when it started. If they are so greedy for profits, maybe they should just start their own resale shops! I'd buy reasonably priced used games from a BioWare store for sure!

[Master Zoen]

Wow! My browser posted and crashed! Sorry for the double post.

[Master Zoen]

DJStarstryker wrote...

Okay, OP, here's how 360 DLC works in a nutshell. When you buy DLC, you get 2 license keys for it: a console license key and a gamertag license key. The console license key tags it to that particular console you download it with, the gamertag license key tags it to the particular gamertag you downloaded it with. With me so far? Good.

You only need ONE of these two licenses at any one time to play DLC.

What this means is this:

1. You can play DLC on the console you downloaded it on under the gamertag you downloaded it with.
2. You can play DLC on the console you downloaded it on with ANY other gamertag.
3.  You can play DLC on ANY console under the gamertag you downloaded it with IF you are connected to Xbox Live (for validation reasons) and have the DLC on a memory card or hard drive connected to that console.

If your wife is not able to play DLC, this means you do not have the console license and therefore did not download the DLC originally on that console. You can get a console license by transferring licenses. You can only do this once a year, go to Xbox.com for more info.

My husband and I have separate gamertags but play on the same console. I can play every DLC he downloads and vice versa because of #2 above. Yes, this includes the original Mass Effect. And many other games.

Thanks, this really gives my girl hope. We can only wait and see if this holds true with the Cerberus Network.
Fingers Crossed!

[MasterAim]

I will just recommend thinking about converting to become a Computer Gamer as you will only need one game for that as you can just transfer the DLC parts to another computer, either by splitting up the game file or transfer it to an external harddrive and go from there.

[Skilled Seeker]

[Inquisitor Recon]

It has begun! Grab your rifles and shovels!