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[DarkFaerie316]

megabeast37215 wrote...

DarkFaerie316 wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

I can't stop using the damn thing... on or off host. Its Fn amazing.... anyone who says otherwise is a fool who should be eaten.

Can I borrow it? I no have one yet 

Of course you can

Aawww thanks :wub:

[megabeast37215]

TheKillerAngel wrote...
I'm not using it as a benchmark. Let's reduce our pool to "utility weapons." If you want a utility weapon to deal with troublesome enemies like Phantoms, you can choose among:

The Acolyte (huge damage vs shields/barriers)
The Scorpion (lighter, potentially bigger magsize, larger AoE)
The Falcon (can bank shots off walls, weighs less, bigger magsize)
The Geth Plasma Shotgun (better damage, bigger magazine size, better accuracy and range)
The Adas (weighs less, magsize is so big you can ULM it instead, better range/hit detection)

These weapons are generally not going to excel as primary damage dealers, but neither does the Venom. We don't even need to bring the Reegar into this. Compared to most of the hitscan shotguns (Raider/Claymore/Wraith/Piranha) it's just utterly lacking.

Acolyte = best utility weapon in the game... no doubt.
Scorpion = Inferior to the Venom at the same job... but it is lighter
Falcon = Inferior to the Venom... utterly.
Geth Plasma Shotgun = Very similar in performance, but heavier and you can't shoot it at the ceiling and shower enemies with grenades or hit groups (very easy to get triple kills with the Venom).
Adas = Why is this even brought up? It's garbage. Completely inferior to the Venom in all aspects.

Venom deals fine damage except vs Bosses. I like to pair it with classes that have a power that deals with Armor effectively like Incinerate or Grenades.

The other thing the Venom has going for it is fun factor... it has amazing physics. Launching Phantoms into the sky has never been more satisfying.

[inversevideo]

I just unlocked the Venom and at level1 it seems pretty useless

At level1 the venom is too heavy and has too little power.
Given RNG I may never max the Venom.

Much better to use a Wraith, AT-Raider, Crusader, Piranha, or Claymore,
The Talon, Paladin and Executioner also are more accurate and damaging.

No advantage to using a low level Venom.

EDIT: at least not in gold or platinum. Maybe for bronze players.

Modifié par inversevideo, 18 mai 2013 - 01:50 .

[megabeast37215]

inversevideo wrote...

I just unlocked the Venom and at level1 it seems pretty useless

At level1 the venom is too heavy and has too little power.
Given RNG I may never max the Venom.

Much better to use a Wraith, AT-Raider, Crusader, Piranha, or Claymore,
The Talon, Paladin and Executioner also are more accurate and damaging.

No advantage to using a low level Venom.

Put Incendiary Ammo, a rail amp, regular barrel and ULM on it... ALWAYS charge it and shoot it at the feet of your enemies... follow up with a power... then judge it.

It has a slight learning curve...

Everyone always puts the spare ammo mod on it which perplexes me.... at X it has 26 shots... that's anywhere from 26 dead mooks, 13 dead Phantoms, and opportunities for multi-kills. More than enough dead things between you and the ammo box.

[rcolol]

The Venom is a good gun, like megabeast said, on a class that has powers to deal with armor, its great. My friend uses it on the BatGuard and I've never seen someone trivialize Cerberus like that, Phantoms and Dragoons were just a joke.

[SirValeq]

I'm finding the small radius a real headache when off-host, but the fun factor is definately there (even at lvl 1).

[Ultimate Pheer]

You see... Even if I had the venom, I still wouldn't use it.

Why?

LolReegar, that's why.

[Max Dmian]

This is how you use the Venom - or this.
Or a whole team of Venom wielders obliterating Cerberus.

Modifié par Max Dmian, 18 mai 2013 - 02:21 .

[megabeast37215]

Max Dmian wrote...

This is how you use the Venom - or this.

Good ole' Max... spreading knowledge and wisdom about the Venom as usual

[Oni Changas]

To answer your question, op; its because pyjaks like you dont know how to use it. The Venom is a launching pad for smaller enemies. Aim at the feet, direct impact should only be used for atlases.

[Max Dmian]

megabeast37215 wrote...

Max Dmian wrote...

This is how you use the Venom - or this.

Good ole' Max... spreading knowledge and wisdom about the Venom as usual

Threads like this one hurt me deeply 

MasterReefa wrote...

Max Dmian wrote...

This is how you use the Venom - or this.

Why you no link our welcome to the jungle run?

Fixed it 

[MasterPeras]

The charged shot is only effective if you hit the target's feet...for some reason if you land a body shot with a full charge it will not have the same effect. Standard shots are ok but lack the damage.

[megabeast37215]

Max Dmian wrote...
Threads like this one hurt me deeply 

I feel your pain.

It's so typical on BSN for people to spout ignorance... and then cite min/max reasons as why something is bad but never look at intangibles.

It's not even like the Venom is a bad weapon... it just does what it does extremely well.. dominate mooks with stagger and apply ammo powers. How can something that can 2 hit kill Gold Phantoms on a non-infiltrator/caster specced for power damage be a bad weapon? How can something that can stunlock crowds and TOTALLY prevent your from being shot be a bad weapon? B/c it's weak vs Armor? So is 60-75% of the weapons in the game...

Most of this drivel is being posted by the PC crowd (as usual) so their hate is probably due to their horrid latency issues (while still claiming BS about being the master race... when they can't even connect well to 80% of the rest of the playerbase). Venom works fine off host on the Ecks Bawks...

Modifié par megabeast37215, 18 mai 2013 - 03:00 .

[megabeast37215]

MasterPeras wrote...

The charged shot is only effective if you hit the target's feet...for some reason if you land a body shot with a full charge it will not have the same effect. Standard shots are ok but lack the damage.

Agree... which is why you should ALWAYS aim at the feet (top of the toes or right in front of the target). It's literally "how to use the gun effectively".

[lastofthefive0s]

Max Dmian wrote...

This is how you use the Venom - or this.
Or a whole team of Venom wielders obliterating Cerberus.

Freaking glorious!  Poor Cerberus didn't stand a chance.  Might have to give the Venom another chance...couldn't get a handle on it the last time I used it but now I see how it should be done.  Thanks for the lulz.

[HeroicMass]

megabeast37215 wrote...

Max Dmian wrote...
Threads like this one hurt me deeply 

I feel your pain.

It's so typical on BSN for people to spout ignorance... and then cite min/max reasons as why something is bad but never look at intangibles.

It's not even like the Venom is a bad weapon... it just does what it does extremely well.. dominate mooks with stagger and apply ammo powers. How can something that can 2 hit kill Gold Phantoms on a non-infiltrator/caster specced for power damage be a bad weapon? How can something that can stunlock crowds and TOTALLY prevent your from being shot be a bad weapon? B/c it's weak vs Armor? So is 60-75% of the weapons in the game...

Most of this drivel is being posted by the PC crowd (as usual) so their hate is probably due to their horrid latency issues (while still claiming BS about being the master race... when they can't even connect well to 80% of the rest of the playerbase). Venom works fine off host on the Ecks Bawks...

People on BSN still think that passives and targeting VI's dont add to boss headshots.  What can you expect?

also, the venom rules!

[january42]

The reason why it's barely used is that it sucks.

Unfortunatly, it's charge multiplier is .25x(uncharged)-1.00(fully charged)    And its max damage is 795. A crusader is 788.

So...it's basicly a Crusader with a tiny AOE(only when charged) and a 1 second charge up time to even reach that damage. And there is no AOE if you don't charge it.

There is basicly nothing this gun does that something else doesn't do better.   It actually has the lowest DPS of all shotguns. You basicly need to be an AIU to actually kill anything with it. And even then it's difficult.

Honestly, the AOE should be the same as falcon when fully charged and maybe the same as a krysae when uncharged.
  
Honestly, if you just dumped the charge up, it would be nicely balanced.

[megabeast37215]

january42 wrote...

The reason why it's barely used is that it sucks.

Unfortunatly, it's charge multiplier is .25x(uncharged)-1.00(fully charged)    And its max damage is 795. A crusader is 788.

So...it's basicly a Crusader with a tiny AOE(only when charged) and a 1 second charge up time to even reach that damage. And there is no AOE if you don't charge it.

There is basicly nothing this gun does that something else doesn't do better.   It actually has the lowest DPS of all shotguns. You basicly need to be an AIU to actually kill anything with it. And even then it's difficult.

Honestly, the AOE should be the same as falcon when fully charged and maybe the same as a krysae when uncharged.
  
Honestly, if you just dumped the charge up, it would be nicely balanced.

Face... meet palm...

Edit: here

Watch that video... especially the part where the Salarian Engineer bcomes a complete powerhouse vs Collectors/Geth with the Venom in his hands... you might learn something.

Modifié par megabeast37215, 18 mai 2013 - 03:18 .

[satchel]

The venom is the best weapon for launching possessed abominations at unsuspecting voluses. I pissed myself laughing, literally*.

* not literally

[megabeast37215]

heroicmass wrote...

People on BSN still think that passives and targeting VI's dont add to boss headshots.  What can you expect?

also, the venom rules!

Targetting VI's do too? I thought they didn't

...and what are these 'headshot' things you speak of... and can I achieve them with the Venom?

[Max Dmian]

lastofthefive0s wrote...

Max Dmian wrote...

This is how you use the Venom - or this.
Or a whole team of Venom wielders obliterating Cerberus.

Freaking glorious!  Poor Cerberus didn't stand a chance.  Might have to give the Venom another chance...couldn't get a handle on it the last time I used it but now I see how it should be done.  Thanks for the lulz.

You're welcome 

Oh and january with his "basically a worse Crusader" again.
Besides damage this gun is absolutely NOTHING like a Crusader. Comparing them says more about the poster than the gun.

[iOnlySignIn]

I'm amused that Javelin and Raider are both on this list. They are the 2 weapons I use 90% of the time these days.

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 18 mai 2013 - 03:38 .

[megabeast37215]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

I'm amused that Javelin and Raider are both on this list. They are the 2 weapons I use 90% of the time these days.

Yeah... I can see the Javelin being on there somewhat (learning curve, weight)... but the Raider!?!? I was taken aback by that one...

[satchel]

megabeast37215 wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

I'm amused that Javelin and Raider are both on this list. They are the 2 weapons I use 90% of the time these days.

Yeah... I can see the Javelin being on there somewhat (learning curve, weight)... but the Raider!?!? I was taken aback by that one...

This is the same player base that apparently doesn't use the QME though. People just don't know what's good for them.