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[peddroelm]

megabeast37215 wrote...

Cyonan... Is it possible to shoot the floor, which makes an explosion, then the three projectiles each make their own explosion... For 4 total? I shoot it right in front of enemies feet or on their tippy toes and I know for a fact it makes a visible explosion when it splits into the smaller projectiles. This is easily seen when you shoot it at the ceiling and shower mobs with it.

charged shot fires a main projectile that does no weapon damage only ammo damage * 0.4167

then it splits into 3 projectiles that each do ammo and weapon damage * 0.4167 ..

1.25 / 3 = 0.416666666666666666..


All that assuming they actually hit the target .. My biggest issue with this troll weapon is that many times the projectile (charged or not) will harmlessly bounce trough/between the target's legs ...

[NuclearTech76]

The Venom is a good weapon on host but has a very different feel from any other weapon in the game. Aim for the toes or just in front of infantry with the charged shot, elites with large profiles can be shot directly. You can bounce it off walls and ceilings as you get used to it. It has decent damage for a AOE weapon and applies ammo powers well.

[Zjarcal]

peddroelmz wrote...

I don't the Venom much either ...

"A nutmeg (or tunnel) is a technique used in soccer football or field hockey, in which a player rolls the ball through an opponent's legs "

No doubt it would do great on a soccer/hockey field - but in ME3 I find shot after shot harmlessly passing trough opponent's legs nothing short of infuriating ...

Lol, an excellent analogy.

[megabeast37215]

peddroelmz wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

Cyonan... Is it possible to shoot the floor, which makes an explosion, then the three projectiles each make their own explosion... For 4 total? I shoot it right in front of enemies feet or on their tippy toes and I know for a fact it makes a visible explosion when it splits into the smaller projectiles. This is easily seen when you shoot it at the ceiling and shower mobs with it.

charged shot fires a main projectile that does no weapon damage only ammo damage * 0.4167

then it splits into 3 projectiles that each do ammo and weapon damage * 0.4167 ..

1.25 / 3 = 0.416666666666666666..


All that assuming they actually hit the target .. My biggest issue with this troll weapon is that many times the projectile (charged or not) will harmlessly bounce trough/between the target's legs ...

Ahh ha!  That makes proper ammo consumables even more important on it. Good to know.

Also... I don't have any trouble getting all the projectiles to hit the intended target... And I'm actually quite sloppy with the weapon... Running shots, quick twitch shots, etc. I use exclusively charged shots btw...

[Tallgeese_VII]

So shooting 1 charged shot does 1.25 damage with some ammo damage
compared to 2 shots doing just about double damage?

I better practice using normal shot better with Venom then..

[TheKillerAngel]

Tallgeese_VII wrote...

So shooting 1 charged shot does 1.25 damage with some ammo damage
compared to 2 shots doing just about double damage?

I better practice using normal shot better with Venom then..

Good luck with that.

[megabeast37215]

TheKillerAngel wrote...

Tallgeese_VII wrote...

So shooting 1 charged shot does 1.25 damage with some ammo damage
compared to 2 shots doing just about double damage?

I better practice using normal shot better with Venom then..

Good luck with that.

How come there are dozens of people on my friends list and in this thread who can dominate with the weapon at a very high level... But you can't? I'm not trying to be condescending... It just doesn't make sense... And pretty much everyone in this thread knocking the weapon is on PC. There maybe something there besides latency issues... Do you never host Angel? FWIW... It works fine off host for me as well.

[TheKillerAngel]

megabeast37215 wrote...

TheKillerAngel wrote...

Tallgeese_VII wrote...

So shooting 1 charged shot does 1.25 damage with some ammo damage
compared to 2 shots doing just about double damage?

I better practice using normal shot better with Venom then..

Good luck with that.

How come there are dozens of people on my friends list and in this thread who can dominate with the weapon at a very high level... But you can't? I'm not trying to be condescending... It just doesn't make sense... And pretty much everyone in this thread knocking the weapon is on PC. There maybe something there besides latency issues... Do you never host Angel? FWIW... It works fine off host for me as well.

I can dominate with the weapon and I still think it sucks, even when I host. If a score screen isn't enough for you I will upload video of me using it.

Modifié par TheKillerAngel, 19 mai 2013 - 12:02 .

[SlimJim0725]

Air Quotes wrote...

TheKillerAngel wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

TheKillerAngel wrote...

Tallgeese_VII wrote...

So shooting 1 charged shot does 1.25 damage with some ammo damage
compared to 2 shots doing just about double damage?

I better practice using normal shot better with Venom then..

Good luck with that.

How come there are dozens of people on my friends list and in this thread who can dominate with the weapon at a very high level... But you can't? I'm not trying to be condescending... It just doesn't make sense... And pretty much everyone in this thread knocking the weapon is on PC. There maybe something there besides latency issues... Do you never host Angel? FWIW... It works fine off host for me as well.

I can dominate with the weapon and I still think it sucks, even when I host. If a score screen isn't enough for you I will upload video.

 

Yeah. Somehow if you say the things sucks or the thing is cheap half of BSN thinks you can't use it or deal with it. 

Or people simply disagree with how you personally feel and that seems to bother some people.

[megabeast37215]

Air Quotes wrote...

TheKillerAngel wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

TheKillerAngel wrote...

Tallgeese_VII wrote...

So shooting 1 charged shot does 1.25 damage with some ammo damage
compared to 2 shots doing just about double damage?

I better practice using normal shot better with Venom then..

Good luck with that.

How come there are dozens of people on my friends list and in this thread who can dominate with the weapon at a very high level... But you can't? I'm not trying to be condescending... It just doesn't make sense... And pretty much everyone in this thread knocking the weapon is on PC. There maybe something there besides latency issues... Do you never host Angel? FWIW... It works fine off host for me as well.

I can dominate with the weapon and I still think it sucks, even when I host. If a score screen isn't enough for you I will upload video.

 

Yeah. Somehow if you say the things sucks or the thing is cheap half of BSN thinks you can't use it or deal with it. 

Well a good player can dominate with anything.... So yeah I agree with that, but there are varying degrees of dominance IMO. I can dominate with a SE with a Tempest... But I can dominate at a much higher level with a LOLHurricane. I can dominate with the Venom as good as I can with just about any weapon in the game... Except vs big armor obviously.

[january42]

peddroelmz wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

Cyonan... Is it possible to shoot the floor, which makes an explosion, then the three projectiles each make their own explosion... For 4 total? I shoot it right in front of enemies feet or on their tippy toes and I know for a fact it makes a visible explosion when it splits into the smaller projectiles. This is easily seen when you shoot it at the ceiling and shower mobs with it.

charged shot fires a main projectile that does no weapon damage only ammo damage * 0.4167

then it splits into 3 projectiles that each do ammo and weapon damage * 0.4167 ..

1.25 / 3 = 0.416666666666666666..


All that assuming they actually hit the target .. My biggest issue with this troll weapon is that many times the projectile (charged or not) will harmlessly bounce trough/between the target's legs ...

That may possible be the dumbest weapon design I have ever heard.   Ok, that explains why the charge shot sucks. You basicly have to shoot it so the sub projectiles hit the target. And they seem to come out on some random trajectory.

The worst part of this idotic design is that if you hit the target....you do less damage because the fragments fly away from it.  That may top the protheans giving their weapons 1 to many ammo capacity for "stupid***" weapon design.  I can't believe I was being to accurate with it.

Do the the projectiles always go the same way on the xbox?   I noticed one thing.  When hosting, they are semi-predictable. They usually will go away from you.  Usually.  Off-host it seems to be random, with them comming out at 90 degrees at times.   You get best results shooting in front of the targets feet, but even then they seem to go through the legs alot or troll you in some other way.   Why would you make a gun that punishes you for being accurate?

[megabeast37215]

January.... For me they always go in a trident kinda pattern. One straight ahead, one 45 degrees to the left and one 45 degrees to the right...

Like I said... I'm usually pretty sloppy with it... Often 'bounce passing' projectiles off the ground and into enemy shins.

[Tallgeese_VII]

So this buff..

Venom Shotgun
- Damage multiplier when fully charged increased from 10% to 25%


was literally a joke.
I thought each 3 shots of small projectile had 25% damage buff from normal single shot.

I might have realized it in-game if I didn`t use infiltrator.. but always shooting charged shot form cloak/and usually shooting normal shot out of cloak messed up my sense.

BW,
buff Venom !!

[january42]

megabeast37215 wrote...

January.... For me they always go in a trident kinda pattern. One straight ahead, one 45 degrees to the left and one 45 degrees to the right...

Like I said... I'm usually pretty sloppy with it... Often 'bounce passing' projectiles off the ground and into enemy shins.

Thanks. Yeah, I noticed that. Lag seems to really screw with it, with them sometimes comming out at really weird angles.  I've had them come back to me before.   It's not a perfect trident either.  Even when hosting it's a bit wacky.  There is almost always one more or less straight ahead, but sometimes its the left or right one. And the distance seems to vary also.   .  They seem to go through the legs way to much however.

Well, I learned something this thread, so thats good.  The way to go seems to be to charge shot, fire at the feet in front, then empty the rest of the clip uncharged.   You atually may not want to carry it around charged sometimes as your in trouble if you end up above the target because the sub mutions won't hit the target on a direct hit.

I managed to do ok with it but....ugg.  Felt like way more difficult than it should be. Uncharged does ok DPS but is basicly like using a crusader, but more annoying due to being an arcing projectile that can't go through cover. (and taking twice as long to reload)

Charged shot doesn't seem to be useful for crowd control, but doesn't seem to do much more in the way of damage either.

I guess it's basicly like the spitfire. Not horrible, but extremly underwheliming for what it is.

[Kenadian]

Did they nerf the AoE from the SP version? Cause...that thing was nuts.

[ASmoothCriminalx]

Reported.

[solidprice]

the other reason why its not used is is that the rng dosent cough it up ......

Modifié par solidprice, 19 mai 2013 - 03:07 .

[UnknownMercenary]

Kenadian wrote...

Did they nerf the AoE from the SP version? Cause...that thing was nuts.

iirc radius and charge up damage were immensely nerfed

not surprising since that thing could 1 shot bosses in sp

[peddroelm]

Tallgeese_VII wrote...

So this buff..

Venom Shotgun
- Damage multiplier when fully charged increased from 10% to 25%


was literally a joke.
I thought each 3 shots of small projectile had 25% damage buff from normal single shot.

I might have realized it in-game if I didn`t use infiltrator.. but always shooting charged shot form cloak/and usually shooting normal shot out of cloak messed up my sense.

BW,
buff Venom !!

pretty much - very minor buff

Modifié par peddroelmz, 19 mai 2013 - 03:43 .

[megabeast37215]

january42 wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

January.... For me they always go in a trident kinda pattern. One straight ahead, one 45 degrees to the left and one 45 degrees to the right...

Like I said... I'm usually pretty sloppy with it... Often 'bounce passing' projectiles off the ground and into enemy shins.

Thanks. Yeah, I noticed that. Lag seems to really screw with it, with them sometimes comming out at really weird angles.  I've had them come back to me before.   It's not a perfect trident either.  Even when hosting it's a bit wacky.  There is almost always one more or less straight ahead, but sometimes its the left or right one. And the distance seems to vary also.   .  They seem to go through the legs way to much however.

Well, I learned something this thread, so thats good.  The way to go seems to be to charge shot, fire at the feet in front, then empty the rest of the clip uncharged.   You atually may not want to carry it around charged sometimes as your in trouble if you end up above the target because the sub mutions won't hit the target on a direct hit.

I managed to do ok with it but....ugg.  Felt like way more difficult than it should be. Uncharged does ok DPS but is basicly like using a crusader, but more annoying due to being an arcing projectile that can't go through cover. (and taking twice as long to reload)

Charged shot doesn't seem to be useful for crowd control, but doesn't seem to do much more in the way of damage either.

I guess it's basicly like the spitfire. Not horrible, but extremly underwheliming for what it is.

One of the reasons it's not a perfect spread everytime is b/c the floors in the game are often not perfectly flat... little bumps will cause it to take completely different angles... this is the only time I've ever seen them bounce back at me.

[Kenadian]

UnknownMercenary wrote...

Kenadian wrote...

Did they nerf the AoE from the SP version? Cause...that thing was nuts.

iirc radius and charge up damage were immensely nerfed

not surprising since that thing could 1 shot bosses in sp

Well, the damage nerf was obvious. Didn't think hey hit the radius too.

[Knockingbr4in]

Yes the gun freaking sucks. Now get over yourself and let this thread die, it's not like BioWare is going to do anything about how bad the gun feels in your hands.

[GAMEofDEATH-PS3]

Oh look someone who tried a gun a few times and thinks they knows whats good and bad about it. What i have done with this gun on the field and what you have wrote just don't add up. Please try again and this time around use the gun correctly if you can.