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[WhiteKnyght]

Seriously, the fugly b!tch was jealous of the City Elf and probably enjoyed selling him/her and Soris down the river.

I let her do it for roleplaying aspects. 1) Soris being in prison keeps his bride from being taken by the Tevinter slavers later. 2) Reason 1 also keeps Soris from being a bigamist when he marries his future human love. 3) She does it because I want my character to look like he/she didn't want Soris to go down, but not come forward personally.

But the fact remains, Elva did a malicious offense to the Warden and there are various times throughout the game when the Warden has Murder-Knifed someone for less(like the guy in the cage at Ostagar.)

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Elva's also the only one who will associate with Soris if you managed to keep him out of jail during the CE Origin; she's one of the few who will not go along with the crowd and treat him like trash.

Almost everyone else in the alienage will blame Soris for Howe's purge, to the point that the abuse (verbal and physical) gets so bad he can't even live in his own home.

Hers is a complex character.

Modifié par Shadow of Light Dragon, 18 mai 2013 - 01:03 .

[Wulfram]

Elva's the only one will associate with Soris if you took Vaughan's money. Otherwise he's still got Shianni and Alarith at least.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

My guess would be the large number of guards that would kill the Warden for it before Duncan could get a word in.

[Face of Evil]

She eventually dies of the Blight sickness. So yeah.

[WhiteKnyght]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

Elva's also the only one who will associate with Soris if you managed to keep him out of jail during the CE Origin; she's one of the few who will not go along with the crowd and treat him like trash.

Almost everyone else in the alienage will blame Soris for Howe's purge, to the point that the abuse (verbal and physical) gets so bad he can't even live in his own home.

Hers is a complex character.

Well to be fair, taking Vaughan's money and letting him rape all the women he kidnapped repeatedly isn't very nice anyway. I can understand him being a social pariah for that.

Also in the situation I delved into, Elva was a snitch who got Soris sent to prison.

[Corker]

Overuse of the technique, maybe. There are up to two other spots you can murderknife someone in the CE Origin, according to the wiki. Three murderknifings in a single short origin is a lot of murderknifings.

[LobselVith8]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Also in the situation I delved into, Elva was a snitch who got Soris sent to prison. 

Is that when your Elven protagonist doesn't take responsibility for the killings?

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Yes.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Well to be fair, taking Vaughan's money and letting him rape all the women he kidnapped repeatedly isn't very nice anyway. I can understand him being a social pariah for that.

Also in the situation I delved into, Elva was a snitch who got Soris sent to prison.

IIRC you don't have to take Vaughan's money. You only have to keep him out of prison. He ends up being a pariah not because of what happened to Shianni and the other girls, but because the alienage was purged for what he and the PC did...and the PC wasn't around to throw rocks at. Soris? Was.

I'm at work though, so can't check the toolset for quotes (plus it's on my old computer, so I probably won't bother).

Also going on memory, the CE must talk to Alarith after returning to Denerim to learn about the Elva thing.

Elva might be a snitch, but she prevented innocent elves being blamed and punished for what your PC and Soris did, which is what would have happened. She probably thought your PC was a coward. *shrug*

[Corker]

But Shadoooow, she's a fat ugly b!tch who goes against what the PC wants! You know that deserves zero sympathy and instant death!

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Actually, I didn't think she was that bad looking.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Corker wrote...

But Shadoooow, she's a fat ugly b!tch who goes against what the PC wants! You know that deserves zero sympathy and instant death!

Ohhh, right, like the anti-Anora complex

Carry on then!

[WhiteKnyght]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

Elva might be a snitch, but she prevented innocent elves being blamed and punished for what your PC and Soris did, which is what would have happened. She probably thought your PC was a coward. *shrug*

Yeah, rushing into a crooked Nobleman's palace and saving a half a dozen elven women from being raped and possibly killed is a "cowardly" thing to do. And as I recall, she was the one who suggested doing nothing when Vaughan took the girls.(Maybe she's jealous he didn't want to take her too.)

It's more like she just wanted to stick it to the City Elf. If he/she wont send themselves to prison, she'll do it for them.

Ever consider another reason why Elva is nice to Soris? That reason being that because of what Soris aided in, the City Elf whom she was jealous of is no longer in the Alienage. Cyrion Tabris is wealthy by elven standards and could afford a decent partner for his child, while Elva apparently got a fat smelly old drunk who never touches her(which means he's a smart man. lol)

Elva snitching to keep the Alienage from being purged, then being nice to Soris when he's universally blamed for it happening anyway doesn't make a lot of sense.

Modifié par The Grey Nayr, 20 mai 2013 - 02:58 .

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

The Grey Nayr wrote...
(Maybe she's jealous he didn't want to take her too.)

Jealous she didn't get kidnapped by gang-rapists...right.

Can you troll somewhere else now?

[WhiteKnyght]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...
(Maybe she's jealous he didn't want to take her too.)

Jealous she didn't get kidnapped by gang-rapists...right.

Can you troll somewhere else now?

Actually serious. She's not exactly a honorable person, and would probably take advantage of offering herself up to an arl's son willingly. If she got pregnant by Vaughan or one of his lesser noble toadies, she could probably get them to bribe her into silence and have a nice little stipend to live comfortably on.

If you notice, she never objects to the arranged marriage traditions, even though it's not much better than what Vaughan does to the women(a person being forced in to a marriage will be expected to perform sexually, whether you want to or not. Especially in elven society where they are expected to reproduce to sustain their race), she's just jealous because the City Elf Warden has both money, and a desirable spouse-to-be, while her husband has no interest in her.

Modifié par The Grey Nayr, 20 mai 2013 - 04:11 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...
(Maybe she's jealous he didn't want to take her too.)

Jealous she didn't get kidnapped by gang-rapists...right.

Can you troll somewhere else now?

Actually serious. She's not exactly a honorable person, and would probably take advantage of offering herself up to an arl's son willingly. If she got pregnant by Vaughan or one of his lesser noble toadies, she could probably get them to bribe her into silence and have a nice little stipend to live comfortably on.

Uh... no, she couldn't. The best they would do is say no.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 20 mai 2013 - 04:34 .

[WhiteKnyght]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...
(Maybe she's jealous he didn't want to take her too.)

Jealous she didn't get kidnapped by gang-rapists...right.

Can you troll somewhere else now?

Actually serious. She's not exactly a honorable person, and would probably take advantage of offering herself up to an arl's son willingly. If she got pregnant by Vaughan or one of his lesser noble toadies, she could probably get them to bribe her into silence and have a nice little stipend to live comfortably on.

Uh... no, she couldn't. The best they would do is say no.

If you take Vaughan's deal, he bluntly states he doesn't want his father knowing anything. If things had gone a different way, she could blackmail him by threatening to go to Arl Urien. Not to mention, Vaughan has to have some humanity in that black void he calls a soul(though not much if any) and should at least want his child to be taken care of.

But Urien died at Ostagar and Vaughan ended up in prison or dead(both of which he thoroughly deserves)

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Uh... no, she couldn't. The best they would do is say no.

If you take Vaughan's deal, he bluntly states he doesn't want his father knowing anything. If things had gone a different way, she could blackmail him by threatening to go to Arl Urien. Not to mention, Vaughan has to have some humanity in that black void he calls a soul(though not much if any) and should at least want his child to be taken care of.

But Urien died at Ostagar and Vaughan ended up in prison or dead(both of which he thoroughly deserves)

If you take the deal, he betrays you. Given Elva's cynical and cautious reaction to Vaughn, she'd probably expect to be treated roughly the same way if not outright killed before (or even after) pregnancy became an issue. (Vaughn simply killed a previous victim, not to mention what happens to Nola. The quick meeting a male CE attends to determine how to handle this isn't exactly operating on the assumption that Vaughn is going to give them back.)

As for wanting his child to be taken care of, that's debatable. He might well not see the child as human, his blood or not.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 20 mai 2013 - 05:33 .

[BlazingSpeed]

Corker wrote...

Overuse of the technique, maybe. There are up to two other spots you can murderknife someone in the CE Origin, according to the wiki. Three murderknifings in a single short origin is a lot of murderknifings.

This and rewatching the "bind the one in back she's a scrapper" origin vid makes me want to roll another female CE...

[WhiteKnyght]

Anybody know if there are any vids on Youtube of the City Elf returning to the Alienage after taking Vaghan's bribe? I wanna see how everyone reacts to the CEW, but I don't feel like putting in the time doing an entire playthrough for what likely amounts to a couple of scenes of beating treated like a jackass.

[WhiteKnyght]

On Video: Yeah, that is not worth sinking a playthrough into. lol

Also: I have to wonder where Nesiara got her info on the Grey Wardens. There's nothing prohibiting them from marrying or having families, it's just that the taint makes conception difficult, moreso the longer it is in the body(according to Morrigan, which was why she couldn't use Riordan).