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[Evil Justicar]

So Justicar is totally outshined...let me think about that...NO.

[oO Stryfe Oo]

When it comes to killing with her biotics(my one gripe with her), yes. Yes, she is.

Drell, Fury, Collector, Ex-Cerberus, damn just about every adept >>>>> Justicar.

[stysiaq]

oO Stryfe Oo wrote...

Tl;dr - I'm still butthurt that she's nothing like the Justicars we were told about and is outshone by other species at something the Asari are supposed to excel at. I'm still disappointed that she isn't as stylish, powerful, or badass as the N7 Turian/Human/Krogan/Geth kits. I also had way too much time on my hands, and if you made it this far, feel free to call me out on it and insult my mother.

I'd say that the thing that hurt the Justicar the most is the fact she is called a Justicar in the first place. If her model was introduced (for example) in retaliation dlc and she'd appear with a better power set (like the Retaliation Asari kits), there would be no 'controversy'.

I also have a 'thing' for lore and as much as I don't like Asari design - which seems to me as a not-so-clever adolescent boy fantasy - I'd like to see that the team follows themes established by the previous games; which means that the most powerful biotic should be an Asari, not a Drell or a Human. The same goes for the tech, which should belong to Quarians (this one is at least partially fulfilled) and combat (I think this part should belong to the Turians)

Modifié par stysiaq, 19 mai 2013 - 11:02 .

[oO Stryfe Oo]

stysiaq wrote...

I'd say that the thing that hurt the Justicar the most is the fact she is called a Justicar in the first place.

Yeah, I guess that's what I was getting at.

It bugs me, y'know? Rubs me the wrong way. I was totally hoping to see some of the prowess of another like Samarra, see for myself what kind of power something that's been training for centuries would wield (I got the impression that Samarra was restraining herself). Was super letdown when I actually got to try her. Like, more letdown than I was with the endings. Her being completely below expectations kinda...took the magic away. The others possessing stronger biotics than her was just the cherry on top.

I hope BW doesn't do something similar in the next iteration. I mean, I know it's just a videogame and all, and I should probably get over it (I will, later), but still...

[Lathlaer]

stysiaq wrote...

I also have a 'thing' for lore and as much as I don't like Asari design - which seems to me as a not-so-clever adolescent boy fantasy - I'd like to see that the team follows themes established by the previous games; which means that the most powerful biotic should be an Asari, not a Drell or a Human. The same goes for the tech, which should belong to Quarians (this one is at least partially fulfilled) and combat (I think this part should belong to the Turians)

+1

I remember that when I started playing Multiplayer and knew literally nothing whatsoever about it (not even how many waves there were and what were those funny objectives) the one thing I knew for a fact was that I wanted to play an asari - someone with incredibly strong biotics.

And there I was, 'oh my god, there is even a JUSTICAR and she is a GOLD card, meaning rare, meaning powerful...'

Yeah, not saying she isn't, but definitely expected more.

[stysiaq]

The Justicar is what she is for 2 reasons:

1. The basic Asari training is called "Asari Justicar", and we all were discontent with it. "We want a true Justicar!", we yelled. So they delivered what they thought would suffice.

2. Reave was Samara's power. Pull was Samara's power. Samara was one of 2 'right' choices to hold the bubble during Suicide Mission. So Justicar power set imitates Samara's. But even in ME2 the bubble was a mobile power. In ME3, it's stationary, and the game itself is very dynamic. You switch positions all the time. There are no "last stand" game modes, where a defensive bubble would have any merit.

The intentions were good. The usefulness of her powerset, however, is questionable.

Power Creep is absolutely natural in games like this (where new content shows up). Thing is, they should hold the Justicar card up their sleeve for the ultimate/penultimate DLC, when they would know exactly what is and what is not powerful in their own game, based on the player's input. Biotic Sphere as a defensive/support power doesn't exist, mobile Shield Boost does.

And I think the armor could be much cooler if we had Justicar in Reckoning. ;-)

[Ultimate Pheer]

Geth rivaling quarians: Yes

Frog-people rivaling quarians: No.

[Simba501]

Huntress could've been the Justicar. Clone the Huntress and replace cloak with bubble.

Also, 1000 base health/shields.  Then, make her an UR.

THAT would live up to lore.  

Modifié par Simba501, 19 mai 2013 - 11:38 .

[Lordhaelmchen]

Nicegil2012 wrote...

I do reave, then the bubble then reave again and i get 2 explosions plus the sphere weakens enemies too. I think she is fine and i enjoy playing her all the time.

This.
Anyone who thinks she is a weak character should watch xcal`s biotic bubble trouble vids on youtube.

[SilentStep79]

i would have given her flare.
Aria T'loak's power from the Omega DLC.
skip pull, and damn any lack of synergy with reave or that silly sphere of hers...

flare all the things.

[oO Stryfe Oo]

stysiaq wrote...

Thing is, they should've held the Justicar card up their sleeve for the ultimate/penultimate DLC, when they would know exactly what is and what is not powerful in their own game, based on the player's input. Biotic Sphere as a defensive/support power doesn't exist, mobile Shield Boost does.

And I think the armor could be much cooler if we had Justicar in Reckoning. ;-)

Yeah, thought they were a little bold myself when they announced a Justicar and Battlemaster in the first DLC pack. Was more concerned with Geth at the time, though. Still, at least the Battlemaster lives up to his name.

Also, now you've got me thinking about what she could've been if she was released in Reckoning...I'm starting to hate you for it. I was butthurt enough already.

[Shadow of Terror]

Biotic Sphere is the problem for me. You can run a Pull build with the Acolyte on Gold and lower with great success, so I don't mind pull.

Biotic Sphere is just... too small. You can't camp in it, because camping is a bad idea, especially speed wise, and then running up to an enemy and casting it is fine, except everything will just walk right through it in no time. You can still still use it, but it just doesn't always seem worth it to do so.

[Airscale]

LineHolder wrote...

... their powerhouse so to speak.

Instead all three of her powers are decidedly defensive. She could perhaps have also been the strongest biotic but instead the Huntress, Fury, Valkyrie, Slayer, AV totally outshine her.

There's a strong disconnect between the way Justicars are described and their attributes  MP.

If you could make changes to her what would those be?

I'd replace Biotic sphere with a triple Phase Disruptor that  be cool down dependent and Pull with Slam.

Do you even know what you're talking about? She already is the Asari powerhouse... wanting to replace her biotic sphere with anything shows that you have no idea how to use her. Perhaps you should just stick to playing your Slayer if you think the Justicar is solely defensive and leave her to those (like me) who can maximize her abilities.

Reave
Bubble (boom)
Reave (boom)
Death

Modifié par Airscale, 19 mai 2013 - 06:19 .

[Cyonan]

Slam is probably the worst ability in the game. Giving it to the Justicar wouldn't make her better.

The Justicar is also currently the best Biotic Soldier in my opinion thanks to a nice mix of durability and the best primer in the game, Reave.

Not the best solo BE spammer, but that's how it goes.

[Boog_89]

Ultimate Pheer wrote...

The main problem is pull sucks.

Give her lash, all her problems will go away.

Lash is god awful, pull and reave with an acolyte is awesome. 
Pull on its own - not so good
Pull and reave - Oh so good.

[Arctican]

Bubble should at least keep out seeker swarms, Collector's and Glacier Hazard's. Or to troll us, even the Awakened Swarms too.

[Simba501]

Arctican wrote...

Bubble should at least keep out seeker swarms, Collector's and Glacier Hazard's. Or to troll us, even the Awakened Swarms too.

[shards7]

I use her as a biotic soldier. Lancer, warp rounds , reaver a bubububububble. All weapon damage. I love her, for she is mine to toy with.

i will mention, though, I believe she should have had lift nades instead of pull

Modifié par jamesbrown3, 19 mai 2013 - 08:41 .

[Supremocognito]

This class is fine how it is. She's a biotic tank who has higher weapon damage and encumbrance compared to the other Asari. Pull then reave is better when doing solo. Where biotic sphere and reave is great with teammates.
I only wish she had more power damage in her passive tree. She can do two biotic combos back to back with reave, sphere, reave. Also when you plant the bubble you prime all targets for a sec or so, even if you don't have the warp effect in rank 6.

[boomshaquanda]

 Reave should've given health regen...

[Terminator Force]

The biotic sphere seems too iconic for her to be removed. Plus it's what represents her extra strength in biotics (remeber in ME2, only the strongest could hold this bubble up to strenght and for long enough), whether you believe it to be weak in gameplay or not, matters not as the storyline part of it matches up at least.

Other then that, what matters most in multiplayer is balance. And they've done a good enough job balancing here out it seems to me so far?... If she's not considered powerful enough (haven't played enough of her or others to know how she stacks up to others?), maybe they could of made her passive power increases higher then everybody else to better represent her being the most powerful biotically? What say yee wise basement man & chick prostitutes of BSN?

[CitizenThom]

Shadow of Terror wrote...

Biotic Sphere is the problem for me. You can run a Pull build with the Acolyte on Gold and lower with great success, so I don't mind pull.

Biotic Sphere is just... too small. You can't camp in it, because camping is a bad idea, especially speed wise, and then running up to an enemy and casting it is fine, except everything will just walk right through it in no time. You can still still use it, but it just doesn't always seem worth it to do so.

Claoked Hunters will also walk through the bubble, and not detonate when radius evolution of Reave is cast on them. Space Magic <expletive> Hunters. Marauders and Centurions seem to be playing the space magic game of late as well.

[TheKillerAngel]

I'd make her power damage passives super high so her Reave DoT is insane.

[dedpockets]

billy the squid wrote...
The damage passives, are weird, why power duration over damage? I suppose for BS, but as it lasts almost a minute and the recharge is so short it's rather pointless.

all of her powers have a duration so it makes sense. adding 2 or so seconds to reaves dot is better than another 10% dmg increase, not to mention the damage resistance lasting longer.

Tallgeese_VII wrote...

megawug wrote...

She *is* a tank... DR from bubble + reave is one of the highest in the game. Just arm her with a big gun. The main problem is geth... reave doesn't provide DR against them.

She's also a lot better with a biotic teammate or two. Reave all things!

Seriously?

I learn new thing everyday here.

What is this? ME2?

no not seriously. reave does provide dr from geth.


the justicar is fine how she is. though if i had to change anything i'd make the base radius of the bubble slightly bigger and make it so everything in the bubble is constantly primed so u can keep getting explosions. it would make the bubble more unique and she doesnt make strong explosions so it wouldnt be op.