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[Peer of the Empire]

She's to be played very aggressively *, but even so her dps is somewhat lacking

You can go AR pull-less leet commando or pull for the lols


* use warp sphere

Modifié par Peer of the Empire, 20 mai 2013 - 03:06 .

[Azul]

Justicar 6/6/6/4/4 with warp bubble is one of my favorite kits that is awesome to play on gold or platinum, but it would be really awesome if warp bubble caused a mega-biotic explosion within the bubble- like Aria's Flash power from the Omega DLC.  

I'm currently doing an adept playthrough on SP, and Flash is an awesome power.  It would be OP on regular adepts, but IMHO would work well if set up with AJA's bubble- and would make up for the diminishing return of pull on higher waves of gold and platinum.

[Cyonan]

LineHolder wrote...

Slam is what you see a Justicar do the first time you see one in Mass Effect. I know as a power in ME2 it was effectively underwhelming but aesthetically majestic and they could have improved it in ME3.

Justicars should have been majestic, like goddesses of the Battlefield. Not the retreating sly hyenas they are in MP.

It's in ME3 SP, and it's still really bad =P

If you want a character to be a BE powerhouse, they need either a primer or a detonator that isn't on the GCD.

Though as I said, she's still a solid biotic soldier because of her durability and Reave. I don't need to retreat on her any more than I do with other characters.

[oO Stryfe Oo]

She's actually one of the characters you'd have to retreat with less than you would others. Good for holding the line.

Liking a lot of the suggestions here, though. Mainly the increasing her power damage in her passives and making the Warp Effect of Biotic Sphere constantly re-prime enemies stupid enough to stand within. Maybe an increase to base radius in her sphere, too. Simple changes that would've made her iconic ability a little more relevant while also increasing her offensive biotic potential.

[stysiaq]

Cyonan wrote...

It's in ME3 SP, and it's still really bad =P

If you want a character to be a BE powerhouse, they need either a primer or a detonator that isn't on the GCD.

Though as I said, she's still a solid biotic soldier because of her durability and Reave. I don't need to retreat on her any more than I do with other characters.

I think Human Adept is a BE powerhouse as well and his/her powers are on GCD, but I get your point.
Yesterday I finished my another Biotic God challenge and after a long time I played as a Fury.

I think I got ~150 BEs in that game, a number unapproachable for any other class.

[oO Stryfe Oo]

^ And probably the sole reason BEs were nerfed...

[Aetika]

oO Stryfe Oo wrote...

^ And probably the sole reason BEs were nerfed...

Biotic explosions were nerfed long before Earth DLC was released actually.

Modifié par Aetika, 20 mai 2013 - 10:29 .

[The Package]

This thread saddens me.

She has one of the best debuffs and maybe the best stagger in the game and two of the quickest self detonating combos. Reave stacking melts health, armor & barriers and Reave + Warp ammo plainly destroys ****. She also can't die (if you know wtf you're doing) and offers the best synergy with any other biotic kit.

One of the best designed classes and by far my favorite character in the game.

[Ultimate Pheer]

pull is still a piece of crap though.

[AlphaMaeko]

Full fitness = 990 barrier.

40% DR (Reave) + 20-40% DR (Bubble) = 60-80% DR.

990 barrier + 60-80% DR = zomgtoughnugget

[oO Stryfe Oo]

Aetika wrote...

oO Stryfe Oo wrote...

^ And probably the sole reason BEs were nerfed...

Biotic explosions were nerfed long before Earth DLC was released actually.

How long before? They probably had her concept long before Earth was released. I doubt that BE Nerf ------> Rapid Fire BE machine was just a coincidence, is what I'm saying. I'd accept being wrong, but I don't think I am, and don't see how proof could be gotten, either.

Also, I only bumped this because my laptop updated and for some reason this thread turned into my homepage instead of Google. Weird.

[Szaby59]

I gave her a chance again, and I've found a very good combination.
Pair her with a Juggernaut, place the sphere and let the juggernaut distract enemies while you blow them up 
The Juggernaut will get at least 20% damage reduction from the sphere and will keep bosses away from you.
VERY effective on platinum.

However I don't think she needs pull.
Pull is useless against shields/barriers/armor so I will respec her for full fitness and skip pull.

Too bad that the sphere radius wasn't increased at least to 5 meters.

Modifié par Szaby59, 23 mai 2013 - 08:58 .

[Aetika]

oO Stryfe Oo wrote...

Aetika wrote...

oO Stryfe Oo wrote...

^ And probably the sole reason BEs were nerfed...

Biotic explosions were nerfed long before Earth DLC was released actually.

How long before? They probably had her concept long before Earth was released. I doubt that BE Nerf ------> Rapid Fire BE machine was just a coincidence, is what I'm saying. I'd accept being wrong, but I don't think I am, and don't see how proof could be gotten, either.

Also, I only bumped this because my laptop updated and for some reason this thread turned into my homepage instead of Google. Weird.

May 2. And Earth dlc was released on July 17. I really think this is coincidence. If BW were ok With Fury and Valkyrie as they are in game, I believe they would eventually buff Justicar.

[Malanek]

LineHolder wrote...

... their powerhouse so to speak.

Instead all three of her powers are decidedly defensive. She could perhaps have also been the strongest biotic but instead the Huntress, Fury, Valkyrie, Slayer, AV totally outshine her.

There's a strong disconnect between the way Justicars are described and their attributes  MP.

If you could make changes to her what would those be?

I'd replace Biotic sphere with a triple Phase Disruptor that  be cool down dependent and Pull with Slam.

The kits are supposed to be evenly balanced. The juggernaut is decidedly defensive. Other than Pull, the Justicar is quite decent, and having one weak power only reduces variety. Baically I disagree with you.

[-Scythe-]

Reave + Bubble BEs are so ****ing hard to setup, her Sphere should have a +200% BE damage/force multiplier, just because of risk vs. reward.

[ahmadsamad]

Too many casul justicar here. Acolyte + Pull + Reave BExplosion for shielded enemy. Reave Spam for armor. Take warp armor to take advantage the priming from reave. Don't need to spec BSphere for plat as it is useless. Thank you

[xGunKungFUx]

To this day the Justicar is still my favorite character. Pull is the funnest power in the game

[Evil Justicar]

There has been many opinions that the biotic sphere is just totally useless and pointless, I guess so many people just cannot be wrong. I think the warpbubble just totally dominates, but I admit it's sometimes quite a risky move to put the bugs in the bubble. Also I think it really shows its power on platinum, because on lower difficulties enemies go down faster and there's less boss enemies, so then the offensive bubble is a bit useless true. I have done well with the warpbubble in my opinion, but then again I'm just a lucky noobster with the character outshined by all other biotics.

[megawug]

The bubble debuffs, staggers and primes for BEs. IMHO, on gold+, pull is far less useful than biotic sphere.

[oO Stryfe Oo]

Reave is awesome. Pull is terrible. That much most of BSN can agree on.

Biotic Sphere isn't bad. It just takes a little effort to make it work. It's a power that encourages you to either camp or run into enemy spawns, neither of which is very smart in this game. It creates the weakest explosions in the game. Radius, along with Warp Effect, are two evos you'd be a fool not to choose, so that severely lessens the...amount of effective ways to spec it, I guess is the words I'm looking for. It's just outclassed. Annihilation Field is similar in that it's an AoE primer that can provide a debuff. Except it's mobile, and drains shields. And the kits that have it can create stronger explosions much faster than the Justicar. It just poops all over Biotic Sphere. Not only that, but the Valkyrie fills the same role the Justicar does. She just does it better.

I'm just saying, as a Justicar, she doesn't quite live up to expectations. At all. She's got one of the worst powers in the game, and she's terrible without a weapon, almost the exact opposite of what they told us all of ME2. Not only that, but her signature ability, one that literally no else has, is kinda lame. Lame enough for me to forget it's there. Since she's the only one that has it, it would've been super easy to buff. Not saying she's bad. She could've should've been better.

Modifié par oO Stryfe Oo, 25 mai 2013 - 08:53 .

[Peer of the Empire]

ahmadsamad wrote...

Too many casul justicar here. Acolyte + Pull + Reave BExplosion for shielded enemy. Reave Spam for armor. Take warp armor to take advantage the priming from reave. Don't need to spec BSphere for plat as it is useless. Thank you

Not everyone had Acolyte no doubt.  Acolyte also came out after her.  When she was new, the Falcon worked well

It's too bad Acolyte is just boring having it on every class

Hmm, I think I shall be charging into combat with her sometime soon

Modifié par Peer of the Empire, 27 mai 2013 - 12:22 .

[Alex_Dur4and]

LineHolder wrote...

... their powerhouse so to speak.

Instead all three of her powers are decidedly defensive. She could perhaps have also been the strongest biotic but instead the Huntress, Fury, Valkyrie, Slayer, AV totally outshine her.

There's a strong disconnect between the way Justicars are described and their attributes  MP.

If you could make changes to her what would those be?

I'd replace Biotic sphere with a triple Phase Disruptor that  be cool down dependent and Pull with Slam.

You are playing her wrong! lol (just messing with you)

She's one of my favorite characters in the game! She is defenitely one of the funnest to play, that's for sure!

The way I play her, she does not use Pull (Pull should have been replaced by Biotic Charge if you ask me)

But really, I max out Biotic Sphere for warp effect and reave for damage reduction. I also use a light gun with a high damage output (like the Talon).  The error most people do with her is that they will cast a Sphere in a choke point and wait for the enemies to walk into the trap. In fact, you need to make yourself  resistant while priming the enemies for biotic explosions and bring the Sphere to them! I call it the "Bowling Ball" method. However, you need to become good with the Asari dodge. You will be using it A LOT!!

All I do is: 

1. Reave a group of enemies.
2. Dash in the fray and use Biotic Sphere (multiple biotic explosions)
3. Reave the remaining enemies that survive within the Sphere for more biotic explosions.
4. Dash and cover. Rince and repeat.

Try it! She's a lot more close quarter oriented than people think! 

Modifié par Alex_Dur4and, 25 mai 2013 - 07:37 .

[killabkilledb]

LineHolder wrote...

SpaceV3gan wrote...

I think the Justicar is a biotic powerhouse. Biotic Sphere is an offensive power. You should use in the face of the enemies.
Pull is also a great power to quickly dispatch unprotected enemies. The cooldown is so fast you can follow with Reave instantaneously. It works wonders against abominations.

If I could make one change, I would give Throw instead of Pull. But that would make her a broken character within the Adept class, which I think is pretty well balance (except for the Volus...).

She is at her weakest against Geth, no doubt. But against the other factions she is definitely up there.

Biotic Sphere feels more like a retreating power. At least it doesn't seem practical to go to to enemy, set it up, retreat and then are Reave for a BE when other kits do it more efficiently.

You reave the enemy, THEN you run up to them and drop the bubble overt them. This gives you a BE and staggers the enemy....Dodge out of there and reave again for another BE (2 explosions with 3 power uses).