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[Heldarion]

 More precisely, which evolutions of Biotic Charge and Nova should I take and why?

edit: and which guns. Currently, I seem to be equipped with Collector SMG and Acolyte.

Modifié par Heldarion, 18 mai 2013 - 03:34 .

[iOnlySignIn]

Nova: Force & Damage, Half Blast, Pierce.

Biotic Charge: Radius, Whichever, Whichever.

[megabeast37215]

Charge - Radius, Power Synergy, Barrier - Why?

Radius - So you stagger at leat 3 of the bad guys you're charging into
Power Synergy - So Nova/Charge hurt more (the bread and butter of your offense)
Barrier - So you get 2 Novas from the Half Blast evo...

Nova - Damage, Half Blast, Damage vs Barriers/Armor/etc. Why?

Damage - So that it hurts more (it will still need power amps to do effective damage)
Half Blast - So that you can stay in your I-frames between charge cooldowns and generate offense/stagger at the same time.
Damage vs Barriers/Armor/etc. - So that you aren't completely ineffective vs Bosses.

My .02

[Ultimate Pheer]

Half blast, full barriers, shockwave is for babies.

Grab a disciple if you have a high level one, great weight, good cooldown times.

Remember to strafe while using nova,

[megabeast37215]

Air Quotes wrote...

narida.pytalhost.com/me3/classes/#Vanguard/Human/RAOIR/Talon10AH5BP5//PistolRailAmp3/PowerAmplifierModule4/StrongholdPackage5/  

Half Blast is for sissies. All out or bust. 

Modding your game files b/c of Phantoms is totally NOT for sissies though...

[megabeast37215]

Ultimate Pheer wrote...

Remember to strafe while using nova,

That's a really good tip... I dance around bosses in a circle while Nova spamming...

[RedJohn]

Don't use half blast, that's a really bad choise for people who don't know how to play it correctly. You lose lot of damage output with half blast

Modifié par RedJohn, 18 mai 2013 - 03:45 .

[megabeast37215]

RedJohn wrote...

Don't use half blast, that's a really bad choise for people who don't know how to play it correctly.

Enlighten us with your strategy O' wise one... (I mean this sincerely)

PS... I got 5$ that says it involves your Crutchmore....

[iOnlySignIn]

Air Quotes wrote...

narida.pytalhost.com/me3/classes/#Vanguard/Human/RAOIR/Talon10AH5BP5//PistolRailAmp3/PowerAmplifierModule4/StrongholdPackage5/  

Half Blast is for sissies. All out or bust. 

Recharge speed is irrelevant with Talon X.

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 18 mai 2013 - 03:45 .

[megabeast37215]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

narida.pytalhost.com/me3/classes/#Vanguard/Human/RAOIR/Talon10AH5BP5//PistolRailAmp3/PowerAmplifierModule4/StrongholdPackage5/  

Half Blast is for sissies. All out or bust. 

Recharge speed is irrelevant with Talon X.

...and Stronghold package on the Novaguard? Lolwut? 100 more shields and shield recharge speed that isn't even needed b/c of... you know... Charge. Commando Package makes far more sense for that build.

[RedJohn]

megabeast37215 wrote...

RedJohn wrote...

Don't use half blast, that's a really bad choise for people who don't know how to play it correctly.

Enlighten us with your strategy O' wise one... (I mean this sincerely)

PS... I got 5$ that says it involves your Crutchmore....

There is a myth about nova that says that half blast has more damage output than full blast, this is not entirely true.

To do more damage of course you need to do nova twice, which is very bad, because there is a moment between the 2 novas that you are not inmune and can get killed in a very stupid way. Besides there is the factor of time, you waste time casting nova twice

If you use Talon (lolnotclaymore this time for you baby ) your cooldown is fast enough to recharge biotic charge while you do nova, so in that case you just don't need to cast it twice.

Things get much better for full blast when you are detonating ammo powers, for example I run with Disrupt ammo always, so I basically shot > nova > biocharge -rapid shot > nova again and repeat. There you have 2 tech burst and 2 full blast nova in just 2 seconds. Remember that you can shot your gun when the nova animation hasn't finished yet, so if you are fast enough you can prime targets and do biotich charge again for more tech burst if the target still alive.

[Ultimate Pheer]

Double nova vanguard has no need for puny things like WEAPONS.

[UnknownMercenary]

Full blast nova

use a Claymore

Nova before charging for reduced cooldowns

[megabeast37215]

RedJohn wrote...

There is a myth about nova that says that half blast has more damage output than full blast, this is not entirely true.

To do more damage of course you need to do nova twice, which is very bad, because there is a moment between the 2 novas that you are not inmune and can get killed in a very stupid way. Besides there is the factor of time, you waste time casting nova twice

If you use Talon (lolnotclaymore this time for you baby ) your cooldown is fast enough to recharge biotic charge while you do nova, so in that case you just don't need to cast it twice.

Things get much better for full blast when you are detonating ammo powers, for example I run with Disrupt ammo always, so I basically shot > nova > biocharge -rapid shot > nova again and repeat. There you have 2 tech burst and 2 full blast nova in just 2 seconds. Remember that you can shot your gun when the nova animation hasn't finished yet, so if you are fast enough you can prime targets and do biotich charge again for more tech burst if the target still alive.

That is a sound strategy vs mooks... except when you are done that 5 hit combo (which is a good combo) you are now standing in front of an enemy with no shields, no way to stagger it and your are on cooldown (for another second at least). This is especially exposed vs bosses...

The reason I play the Half Blast Novaguard is so I can deal with bosses better (survivability)... and I also play him to work with teammates as the team detonator...

[HeroicMass]

I prefer no fitness with lifting shockwave. Fitness is for scrubs.

Edit - For a deep explanation of the build see here ->www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par heroicmass, 18 mai 2013 - 04:26 .

[RedJohn]

megabeast37215 wrote...

RedJohn wrote...

There is a myth about nova that says that half blast has more damage output than full blast, this is not entirely true.

To do more damage of course you need to do nova twice, which is very bad, because there is a moment between the 2 novas that you are not inmune and can get killed in a very stupid way. Besides there is the factor of time, you waste time casting nova twice

If you use Talon (lolnotclaymore this time for you baby ) your cooldown is fast enough to recharge biotic charge while you do nova, so in that case you just don't need to cast it twice.

Things get much better for full blast when you are detonating ammo powers, for example I run with Disrupt ammo always, so I basically shot > nova > biocharge -rapid shot > nova again and repeat. There you have 2 tech burst and 2 full blast nova in just 2 seconds. Remember that you can shot your gun when the nova animation hasn't finished yet, so if you are fast enough you can prime targets and do biotich charge again for more tech burst if the target still alive.

That is a sound strategy vs mooks... except when you are done that 5 hit combo (which is a good combo) you are now standing in front of an enemy with no shields, no way to stagger it and your are on cooldown (for another second at least). This is especially exposed vs bosses...

The reason I play the Half Blast Novaguard is so I can deal with bosses better (survivability)... and I also play him to work with teammates as the team detonator...

Not a problem against bosses since their fire rate is quite slow even if they hit hard, you always have time vs a single boss.

If they are in big groups not a problem either, they die faster with full blast than with half blast if you bring disruptor ammo ( i prefer this one on Novaguard because it can be detonated on shielded enemies, very useful to deal with big groups of enemies at once ).

[megabeast37215]

heroicmass wrote...

I prefer no fitness with lifting shockwave. Fitness is for scrubs.

Let Tatty explain pls...

[HeroicMass]

megabeast37215 wrote...

heroicmass wrote...

I prefer no fitness with lifting shockwave. Fitness is for scrubs.

Let Tatty explain pls...

edited that in on my last post.

[Ultimate Pheer]

You are traitors to the glorious name of novaguards everywhere.

[GriM_AoD]

Heavy melee all the things.

[LuckyBullet95]

heroicmass wrote...

I prefer no fitness with lifting shockwave. Fitness is for scrubs.

Edit - For a deep explanation of the build see here ->www.youtube.com/watch

MofuggerX wrote...

Skip to 4:31.

[RedJohn]

Biotich charge with 50% chance of not cooldown with shockwave, that's the way to go

[Ultimate Pheer]

You are all heretical heathens.

You will all be burned at the stake.

[stysiaq]

I go with Full Blast.

I hosted my last HFVan game, I'd say it's one of the few classes that have no problems with on-host Phantoms whatsoever. Nova -> Charge -> Shoot -> Nova.

I used Wraith with Disruptor.