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[Luckywallace]

I liked the cooldown on healing potions, meant you had to tactically time when to use them, not just spam healing like you could in Origins.

However, Merril lacking a healing spell was really annoying :-\\

[ArcaneJTM]

Luckywallace wrote...

I liked the cooldown on healing potions, meant you had to tactically time when to use them, not just spam healing like you could in Origins.

However, Merril lacking a healing spell was really annoying :-

I think there's more stuns of various description in DA:O.  That makes up for the short cooldown on the health poultice.

[Lulupab]

Lol @ Anders haters.

It sucks when they force you to have a character in party but calling Anders murderer done it. Many more murders get unpunished in DA world. Flemeth has committed genocides and yet lives. Our characters as well, you might have killed all elves or humans turned werewolf in Origins. Anders could have easily escaped after destroying the chantry but unlike you cowards who hate him he stood to his actions and came to Hawke sat on a crate and awaited his judgement.

The fact that you hate Anders this much shows how a successful character he is. A character doesn't have to be loved in order to be successful you know. He went from cheerful funny mage to what we see in DA2.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Luckywallace wrote...

I liked the cooldown on healing potions, meant you had to tactically time when to use them, not just spam healing like you could in Origins.

However, Merril lacking a healing spell was really annoying :-

Not if the moron isn't in your party.

[eye basher]

I never bothered with healing characters i just take lots of potions along by the time i got to the last boos in DA2 i always had at least 125 or more.

[Lulupab]

eye basher wrote...

I never bothered with healing characters i just take lots of potions along by the time i got to the last boos in DA2 i always had at least 125 or more.

That is hardly possibe in Hard difficulty and absolutely impossible in nightmare.

[HSomCokeSniper]

There might be unforeseen consequences to removing potion cooldowns.

www.youtube.com/watch

[Bleachrude]

Tupexi wrote...

There might be unforeseen consequences to removing potion cooldowns.

www.youtube.com/watch

*LOL*

This is so true...I mean, think about it..chugging 5-6 beers in under 2 minutes will get many people going to the washroom but in RPGs, you can chuck back an infiinite number of potions at once...

[-leadintea-]

I wouldn't mind seeing a Rogue specialization that focuses on healing via items, kinda like the Chemist class in FF games.

[Chashan]

M25105 wrote...

Please make sure you have at least two different companions you can pick with healing abilities, nothing sucked more than having to take that whining murderer Anders with me all the time cause he was the healer.

Seriously, it was almost as bad as the zones being reused.

It'll depend on how much of a requirement healing powers will be, as well as the character in question.

If all else fails, waiting for mods it is. In DA2, I am rolling with Merril as medic too, that way.

[ashesandwine]

Rassler wrote...

Lol @ Anders haters.

It sucks when they force you to have a character in party but calling Anders murderer done it. Many more murders get unpunished in DA world. Flemeth has committed genocides and yet lives. Our characters as well, you might have killed all elves or humans turned werewolf in Origins. Anders could have easily escaped after destroying the chantry but unlike you cowards who hate him he stood to his actions and came to Hawke sat on a crate and awaited his judgement.

The fact that you hate Anders this much shows how a successful character he is. A character doesn't have to be loved in order to be successful you know. He went from cheerful funny mage to what we see in DA2.

We're all killers..  That's what I told Alistair.

[efrgfhnm_]

It did seem bizarre to me that only Anders could be a healer, although like someone previously said the combat bored me so much in DA2 due to every mook having an ungodly amount of health that I just lowered the difficulty to casual pretty early on.
I also agree with the idea of all rogues having some level of lockpicking, or even giving all characters a chance to break open the chest but having a possibility, no matter whats inside, of the contents being broken. In my first playthrough of DA:O I somehow managed to miss Dane's Refuge and therefore never had Leliana, and Zevran's lack of lockpicking really annoyed me when I had no alternative.

[Commander Kurt]

What if the other character has bad hair, or an annoying voice? What if you really wanted to roll an all-dude playthrough and the other character is female?

Seriously, just go with potions. The dev's made it so you don't need Anders, rather then have all characters' skillsets identical, and I for one prefer it this way. I enjoy the fact that they're all useful, and that I'm missing something by not bringing them along.

[Zelto]

Commander Kurt wrote...

What if the other character has bad hair, or an annoying voice? What if you really wanted to roll an all-dude playthrough and the other character is female?

Seriously, just go with potions. The dev's made it so you don't need Anders, rather then have all characters' skillsets identical, and I for one prefer it this way. I enjoy the fact that they're all useful, and that I'm missing something by not bringing them along.

They can all be useful through their personal specilisation, which if uniqueness is needed could easily be expanded and make more important, i.e OP.

Not personally I would rather this isn't the case but if they feel that character uniqueness is absolutely necessary this would allow it without the rather arbitary restrictions on both the player and the companions.

This should allow every mage to learn basic healing/primal/etc, every rogue to open locks/use bows/daggars and also allow warrior to use a wider range of weapons like daggers/bows.

[BounceDK]

Rassler wrote...
The fact that you hate Anders this much shows how a successful character he is.

Jar Jar Binks from Star Wars, he's so super successful as a character as well... dot dot (extra dots)

[KDD-0063]

Rassler wrote...

Lol @ Anders haters.

It sucks when they force you to have a character in party but calling Anders murderer done it. Many more murders get unpunished in DA world. Flemeth has committed genocides and yet lives. Our characters as well, you might have killed all elves or humans turned werewolf in Origins. Anders could have easily escaped after destroying the chantry but unlike you cowards who hate him he stood to his actions and came to Hawke sat on a crate and awaited his judgement.

The fact that you hate Anders this much shows how a successful character he is. A character doesn't have to be loved in order to be successful you know. He went from cheerful funny mage to what we see in DA2.

We hate Anders ... oh wait, we don't hate Anders.

Rather, I hate the game mechanics that prevents me from even trying to do anything to stop him. I hate that the explosion happens regardless. Hawke uncharacteristically cannot even try to stop him, despite that Hawke is fully aware that the request from Anders is fishy. Cullen uncharacteristically takes absolutely no action, despite that Hawke just told him in his face that Anders is a problem.

This is probably even worse than the thieve's guild in Skyrim; many players hate that they could not destroy it and the best thing they could do is to ignore all their quests. However if you ignore them, nothing happens, unlike Anders.

If you are looking for a well hated, successful character, go back to BG2 and find Saemon Havarian. Now that is a character that everybody hates. Even better that the game NEVER hints that you could kill him, but you can and the game will take note.

[Ryzaki]

BounceDK wrote...

Rassler wrote...
The fact that you hate Anders this much shows how a successful character he is.

Jar Jar Binks from Star Wars, he's so super successful as a character as well... dot dot (extra dots)

I wish I knew who Jar Jar Blinks was. Why does he seem so universally hated.

[Lulupab]

KDD-0063 wrote...

Rassler wrote...

Lol @ Anders haters.

It sucks when they force you to have a character in party but calling Anders murderer done it. Many more murders get unpunished in DA world. Flemeth has committed genocides and yet lives. Our characters as well, you might have killed all elves or humans turned werewolf in Origins. Anders could have easily escaped after destroying the chantry but unlike you cowards who hate him he stood to his actions and came to Hawke sat on a crate and awaited his judgement.

The fact that you hate Anders this much shows how a successful character he is. A character doesn't have to be loved in order to be successful you know. He went from cheerful funny mage to what we see in DA2.

We hate Anders ... oh wait, we don't hate Anders.

Rather, I hate the game mechanics that prevents me from even trying to do anything to stop him. I hate that the explosion happens regardless. Hawke uncharacteristically cannot even try to stop him, despite that Hawke is fully aware that the request from Anders is fishy. Cullen uncharacteristically takes absolutely no action, despite that Hawke just told him in his face that Anders is a problem.

This is probably even worse than the thieve's guild in Skyrim; many players hate that they could not destroy it and the best thing they could do is to ignore all their quests. However if you ignore them, nothing happens, unlike Anders.

If you are looking for a well hated, successful character, go back to BG2 and find Saemon Havarian. Now that is a character that everybody hates. Even better that the game NEVER hints that you could kill him, but you can and the game will take note.

I also hate the game mechanics I was merely saying that calling Anders murderer was stupid while people who commit genocides walk free. How is it less murder to kill all mages or templars? Why elthina is more innocent exactly? Just because she is a revered mother? All those people Hawke killed...  they had family and they were real mothers and fathers. Their lives are much more valuable than a virgin religious old woman who will probably die naturally in a few years.

Btw Anders is NOT a hated character, judging from fan base in several sites including Deviantart and here the only characher that has more fans than Anders is Fenris. True some hate him but that shows this character has been successful cause he is not ignored by anyone. He is either liked or hated.

Modifié par Rassler, 20 mai 2013 - 01:59 .

[Zelto]

Rassler wrote...

I also hate the game mechanics I was merely saying that calling Anders murderer was stupid while people who commit genocides walk free. How is it less murder to kill all mages or templars? Why elthina is more innocent exactly? Just because she is a revered mother? All those people Hawke killed...  they had family and they were real mothers and fathers. Their lives are much more valuable than a virgin religious old woman who will probably die naturally in a few years.

Btw Anders is NOT a hated character, judging from fan base in several sites including Deviantart and here the only characher that has more fans than Anders is Fenris. True some hate him but that shows this character has been successful cause he is not ignored by anyone. He is either liked or hated.

You assume that killing=murder. It doesn't.
Given they way most people react to Hawke, attacking him without any dialogue,
I think that at least 90% of the killings in DA:2 would be justified and
considered self defence. There are some which do not fall into this category
certainly, but most of them tend to be optional. Therefore I really don't think
you can claim Hawke is a murderer in all circumstances.

However what Anders did is clearly murder, there was no dirrect provocation, no dirrect thread to him. He is the aggressor, therefore his actions count as murder. Also whether someone has parents or childern or their age is TOTALLY irrelivent to whether it is right to kill them or not.

Finally, Anders is a hated character my many. being a hated character does not mean everybody must hate him otherwise there would be no hated characters/people/places/things ever anywhere (even Hitler was loved by Eva Braun, yet try arguing he isn't hated and see how that goes)

Modifié par Zelto, 20 mai 2013 - 02:34 .

[Red Templar]

Rassler wrote...

I also hate the game mechanics I was merely saying that calling Anders murderer was stupid while people who commit genocides walk free.

That's not how language works. Dictionary definitions are not relative. A person is a murderer because (s)he commits murder. Murder A is not less a murderer because murderer B exists.

Why elthina is more innocent exactly? Just because she is a revered mother?

No this is really quite simple. Elthina is more innocent in respect to murder because she is not a murderer. Let us marvel in the fact that logic and language can exist in such harmony that we have words that mean specific things!

All those people Hawke killed...  they had family and they were real mothers and fathers. Their lives are much more valuable than a virgin religious old woman who will probably die naturally in a few years.

Out of interest, what is the qualification that you need to pass value judgments on a person's life? Is there a school for that somewhere? Or is it an internet course? I'd love to attend. I was inclined to think that human life was inherantly valuable, but hey. So, to go over the check list again, a life's value is diminished by... being female, being old, not being sexually active, and being religious? Hmm. I will remember this next time I'm in the hospital, in case I can smother someone so that their organs go to, say, a young male with the clap.

Modifié par Red Templar, 20 mai 2013 - 02:41 .

[BounceDK]

Ryzaki wrote...

BounceDK wrote...

Rassler wrote...
The fact that you hate Anders this much shows how a successful character he is.

Jar Jar Binks from Star Wars, he's so super successful as a character as well... dot dot (extra dots)

I wish I knew who Jar Jar Blinks was. Why does he seem so universally hated.

 

[Lulupab]

Regarding the comments about my post since I don't want to quote spam:

Ignoring others crimes is sometimes worse than actually committing them. Watching mages suffer and calling it maker's will and waiting for maker to solve everything is utter ignorance. As we all know clearly there can be no peaceful solution to mage vs Templar situation. As Anders himself says he gladly pays with his life for freeing mages and forcing circle's independence. He will be remembered as a hero who freed mages but sure one factions hero is the other factions murderer so there really isn't anything to argue about.

Forcing characters is bad thing and makes games less fun no argument here. But if someone says Anders had bigger role than Hawke in DA2 we can't outright deny him and its debatable. Therefore forcing Anders to assist you and being there is not as bad as forcing other less important albeit ignorable characters like Fenris and Isabela. I mean you can even not recruit them and finish the game.

Modifié par Rassler, 20 mai 2013 - 05:19 .

[Red Templar]

Rassler wrote...

Regarding the comments about my post since I don't want to quote spam:

Ignoring others crimes is sometimes worse than actually committing them.

Nope. It really isn't. Actually commiting the crime is worse. Which is why no civilized nation prosecutes accessories more aggressively than primary perpetrators, even when they are prosecuted as culpable for their inaction. Cases like Nuremberg, or the Truth and Reconciliation commission.

As we all know clearly there can be no peaceful solution to mage vs Templar situation.

People said the same thing about the political unrest in my country a couple of decades ago. Thankfully, saner minds prevailed, and I wasn't born into a civil war. History teaches me that people who claim that civil conflicts can't have peaceful solutions are the people who don't want them to have peaceful solutions. I'm not sure how this absolves Anders of murder though. Are you just uncomfortable with the use of the word "murder" because his cause is sympathetic?

As Anders himself says he gladly pays with his life for freeing mages and forcing circle's independence. He will be remembered as a hero who freed mages but sure one factions hero is the other factions murderer so there really isn't anything to argue about.

Yes, a murderer can be a murderer while also being remembered as a hero by people who share his cause. There isn't anything to argue about, because "murderer" is not an objectionable word here. The moral of the story is that you shouldn't throw around accusations of stupidity when people use a word according to its objective definition. This was a pointless derailment that only exists because you felt the need to mudsling when someone said something that wasn't factually incorrect. You shouldn't do that.

Modifié par Red Templar, 20 mai 2013 - 05:48 .

[Lulupab]

Red Templar wrote...

Rassler wrote...

Regarding the comments about my post since I don't want to quote spam:

Ignoring others crimes is sometimes worse than actually committing them.

Nope. It really isn't. Actually commiting the crime is worse. Which is why no civilized nation prosecutes accessories more aggressively than primary perpetrators, even when they are prosecuted as culpable for their inaction. Cases like Nuremberg, or the Truth and Reconciliation commission.

As we all know clearly there can be no peaceful solution to mage vs Templar situation.

People said the same thing about the political unrest in my country a couple of decades ago. Thankfully, saner minds prevailed, and I wasn't born into a civil war. History teaches me that people who claim that civil conflicts can't have peaceful solutions are the people who don't want them to have peaceful solutions. I'm not sure how this absolves Anders of murder though. Are you just uncomfortable with the use of the word "murder" because his cause is sympathetic?

As Anders himself says he gladly pays with his life for freeing mages and forcing circle's independence. He will be remembered as a hero who freed mages but sure one factions hero is the other factions murderer so there really isn't anything to argue about.

Yes, a murderer can be a murderer while also being remembered as a hero by people who share his cause. There isn't anything to argue about, because "murderer" is not an objectionable word here. The moral of the story is that you shouldn't throw around accusations of stupidity when people use a word according to its objective definition. This was a pointless derailment that only exists because you felt the need to mudsling when someone said something that wasn't factually incorrect. You shouldn't do that.

This is not exactly a derail since it kinda justifies why Anders was forced to be in party. Anyway Anders killed for a noble enough cause while people like Zevran who kill for money and pleasure still run amok. I respect people's decision to kill Anders as you could kill Zevran as well. Anders can be considered a murderer but that doesn't mean he is. This is a video game and we all made different dicisions. I didn't kill Anders and even romanced him because I believed in his cause and second chances and you probably killed him. When you call him a murderer its your opinion not a fact. This applies to me as well, when I say he is not a murderer its my opinion as well. So its indeed incorrect to firmly call Anders a murderer it can only be an opinion, nothing more.

Besides after what Anders did we clearly see the nobility of his cause. Meredith orders ALL MAGES to be killed for something they didn't have anything to do with. That's outright genocide and murder. They imprison all mages just because a handful of them turn to blood magic.

I don't see all Templars getting punished for doings of a single Templat no matter how extreme. His point was proven that there is a clear injustice to all mages.

Modifié par Rassler, 20 mai 2013 - 06:04 .

[BubbleDncr]

I have played DA2 with no healer and it brings its own rewards. But to me, Dragon Age companions bring two things to the game that I enjoy:

1) Creating different team make-ups for combat that suits you.
2) Companion involvement in storyline/conversations that I enjoy.

In DA:O, all skill trees of a certain class were open to all members of that class. So if I hated Wynn but wanted a healer, I can make Morrigan a healer. Or if I was a S&S Warrior but wanted Alistair around for story reasons, I could switch him to 2-handed weapon to have some variety.

In DA2, if I wanted a healer, I either had to have Anders in my party or be a healer myself. If I was a dual-wielding rogue, I either had to limit my party's variety by putting another dual-wielding rogue in my party, or else I never got to bring Isabella with me and hear all her fun dialog or improve my relationship with her.

So I prefer DA:O's method of allowing you to spec your companions into whatever you want - its definitely easier to spec them into what Bioware intended them to be, which I think is fine. It just doesn't make the player have to pick between who's useful and who they like.