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[andy6915]

frostajulie wrote...

idiots automatically assume anyone who likes a game older than 2 years old must only like it due to rose tinted glasses of nostalgia

Some games are just fun.

End of discussion.

I still playthru the trilogy because its fun, no nostalgia fully recent FUN.

ME1 is my 2nd favorite game in the trilogy. No nostalgia at all, its just fun to play.

You assume I assume that. I'll have you know, some of my favorite games are generations old, Chrono Trigger, Gunstar Heroes, Star Fox 64, Megaman Legends... A ton more I could mention. It's just for us people that don't see ME1 as ultra amazing anymore, we just can't conceive anyone actually considering it the best even after they played the other 2 games, so we chalk it up to nostalgia as the only explanation we can think of. Still, I have no doubt a few people have it as their favorite for real reasons, but they're likely a minority.

[SpamBot2000]

Yes, we should mercilessly interrogate people who prefer ME1 to ferret out the ones who do so for wrong reasons. Then rile up the anti-intellectual thugs in the peanut gallery against them.

FFS. I feel like quoting my pal Dave here. This is moronic. Idiotic. Cretinous. You know, stoopid.

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 19 mai 2013 - 04:50 .

[Ledgend1221]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Yes, we should mercilessly interrogate people who prefer ME1 to ferret out the ones who do so for wrong reasons. Then rile up the anti-intellectual thugs in the peanut gallery against them.

FFS. I feel like quoting my pal Dave here. This is moronic. Idiotic. Cretinous. You know, stoopid.

You N'wah.

[MegaSovereign]

I've done a trilogy playthrough recently. They all have their problems.

I don't think ME1's problem is that it was overly ambitious compared to the sequels. I think a lot of the technical issues had a lot more to do with how raw the Unreal Engine 3 was and how developers were just starting to get their feet wet with the (now outdated) current gen systems. Bioware probably invested more into building the universe than they did with building great combat mechanics.

[SpamBot2000]

MegaSovereign wrote...

I've done a trilogy playthrough recently. They all have their problems.

I don't think ME1's problem is that it was overly ambitious compared to the sequels. I think a lot of the technical issues had a lot more to do with how raw the Unreal Engine 3 was and how developers were just starting to get their feet wet with the (now outdated) current gen systems. Bioware probably invested more into building the universe than they did with building great combat mechanics.

Thank you. That's what a reasonable level of discourse looks like.

[The Night Mammoth]

Why can't ME1 be it's own thing? BioWare had their own idea on shooting mechanics, and blended it with some of the RPG mechanics they already knew from past games they'd made, and came up with something different. Comparing the RPG parts to things in full-blown RPG's, or the shooting mechanics to TPS's or full-blown shooters is flawed, it wasn't trying to be both at the same time.

[AresKeith]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Why can't ME1 be it's own thing? BioWare had their own idea on shooting mechanics, and blended it with some of the RPG mechanics they already knew from past games they'd made, and came up with something different. Comparing the RPG parts to things in full-blown RPG's, or the shooting mechanics to TPS's or full-blown shooters is flawed, it wasn't trying to be both at the same time.

And that's what I liked about ME1

[andy6915]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Why can't ME1 be it's own thing? BioWare had their own idea on shooting mechanics, and blended it with some of the RPG mechanics they already knew from past games they'd made, and came up with something different. Comparing the RPG parts to things in full-blown RPG's, or the shooting mechanics to TPS's or full-blown shooters is flawed, it wasn't trying to be both at the same time.

Something different that resulted in a game with worse shooter elements then other shooters and worse RPG elements then other RPGs. Doing your own thing is fine, but only if it'd done right. And ME2&3 was still doing their own thing, more refined and focused.

[TheProtheans]

andy69156915 wrote...

frostajulie wrote...

idiots automatically assume anyone who likes a game older than 2 years old must only like it due to rose tinted glasses of nostalgia

Some games are just fun.

End of discussion.

I still playthru the trilogy because its fun, no nostalgia fully recent FUN.

ME1 is my 2nd favorite game in the trilogy. No nostalgia at all, its just fun to play.

You assume I assume that. I'll have you know, some of my favorite games are generations old, Chrono Trigger, Gunstar Heroes, Star Fox 64, Megaman Legends... A ton more I could mention. It's just for us people that don't see ME1 as ultra amazing anymore, we just can't conceive anyone actually considering it the best even after they played the other 2 games, so we chalk it up to nostalgia as the only explanation we can think of. Still, I have no doubt a few people have it as their favorite for real reasons, but they're likely a minority.

This is odd, you defend yourself against assumptions at the start of your post and then you make an assumption at the end of the post.
Disappointing to say the least.

[KingZayd]

Ledgend1221 wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Reorte wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Gameplay-wise:

ME3 > ME2 > ME1


But in everything else:

ME1 > ME2 > ME3

Pretty much this. But what is more important in the Mass Effect franchise? The shooting or the experience?

That is why Mass Effect 1 will always win out as the best entry in the franchise. I think on a technical level ME2 was the best game overrall, but nothing gives me a serious case of the feels, like ME1 did.

I think that there may be some nostalgia in there. I get that feeling from ME2, since that was my introduction to Mass Effect. If it isn't just that then it might be the better character interaction in 2.

It's not just nostalgia.

I played ME1 2 years ago and ME2 last year.

Conversations with squadmates on the Normany were so much more interesting in 2. It felt as if you really got know your squad. Admittedly, with ME3 there's only 1 new squadmate, so there wasn't as much to learn about them.

Interaction just felt more rewarding in ME2

Talking with Legion was far more interesting then most of the ME1 cast.

He instantly became one of my main squadmates.

[andy6915]

TheProtheans wrote...

andy69156915 wrote...

frostajulie wrote...

idiots automatically assume anyone who likes a game older than 2 years old must only like it due to rose tinted glasses of nostalgia

Some games are just fun.

End of discussion.

I still playthru the trilogy because its fun, no nostalgia fully recent FUN.

ME1 is my 2nd favorite game in the trilogy. No nostalgia at all, its just fun to play.

You assume I assume that. I'll have you know, some of my favorite games are generations old, Chrono Trigger, Gunstar Heroes, Star Fox 64, Megaman Legends... A ton more I could mention. It's just for us people that don't see ME1 as ultra amazing anymore, we just can't conceive anyone actually considering it the best even after they played the other 2 games, so we chalk it up to nostalgia as the only explanation we can think of. Still, I have no doubt a few people have it as their favorite for real reasons, but they're likely a minority.

This is odd, you defend yourself against assumptions at the start of your post and then you make an assumption at the end of the post.
Disappointing to say the least.

What assumption did I make? The guess about the overfall fanbase at the end of the post? A guess isn't an assumption.

[SpamBot2000]

 guess v. 

guessed, guess·ing, guess·esv.tr

.1.a. To predict (a result or an event) without sufficient information
.b. To assume, presume, or assert (a fact) without sufficient information.

2. To form a correct estimate or conjecture of: guessed the answer.

3. To suppose; think: I guess he was wrong.

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 19 mai 2013 - 05:37 .

[TheProtheans]

andy69156915 wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

andy69156915 wrote...

frostajulie wrote...

idiots automatically assume anyone who likes a game older than 2 years old must only like it due to rose tinted glasses of nostalgia

Some games are just fun.

End of discussion.

I still playthru the trilogy because its fun, no nostalgia fully recent FUN.

ME1 is my 2nd favorite game in the trilogy. No nostalgia at all, its just fun to play.

You assume I assume that. I'll have you know, some of my favorite games are generations old, Chrono Trigger, Gunstar Heroes, Star Fox 64, Megaman Legends... A ton more I could mention. It's just for us people that don't see ME1 as ultra amazing anymore, we just can't conceive anyone actually considering it the best even after they played the other 2 games, so we chalk it up to nostalgia as the only explanation we can think of. Still, I have no doubt a few people have it as their favorite for real reasons, but they're likely a minority.

This is odd, you defend yourself against assumptions at the start of your post and then you make an assumption at the end of the post.
Disappointing to say the least.

What assumption did I make? The guess about the overfall fanbase at the end of the post? A guess isn't an assumption.

You're assuming only a few players have "real" reasons for ME1 being their favorite.
And you have no doubt only a few people have it like that.


If it was a guess you would not be so sure of it, you have no doubt.

[eye basher]

No matter how good the story and and setting was in ME1 i can't get over just how bad the gameplay is it ruins the game for me it's a chore.

[The Night Mammoth]

andy69156915 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Why can't ME1 be it's own thing? BioWare had their own idea on shooting mechanics, and blended it with some of the RPG mechanics they already knew from past games they'd made, and came up with something different. Comparing the RPG parts to things in full-blown RPG's, or the shooting mechanics to TPS's or full-blown shooters is flawed, it wasn't trying to be both at the same time.

Something different that resulted in a game with worse shooter elements then other shooters and worse RPG elements then other RPGs. Doing your own thing is fine, but only if it'd done right. And ME2&3 was still doing their own thing, more refined and focused.

That's a different point though. Talking about how it didn't mesh its ideas together is different from negatively criticizing certain parts because they didn't measure up to certain parts of another,  similar game. It's not both a shooter and an RPG, it's a hybrid. Its RPG elements aren't going to measure up to those of a full RPG, same with other aspects. 

[Nole]

I actually enjoyed the gameplay on ME1 in xbox 360, but for some reason I can't stand it in pc lol.

[dreamgazer]

MegaSovereign wrote...

I've done a trilogy playthrough recently. They all have their problems.

Yes, they do.

[Bleachrude]

Ledgend1221 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Reorte wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Gameplay-wise:

ME3 > ME2 > ME1


But in everything else:

ME1 > ME2 > ME3

Pretty much this. But what is more important in the Mass Effect franchise? The shooting or the experience?

That is why Mass Effect 1 will always win out as the best entry in the franchise. I think on a technical level ME2 was the best game overrall, but nothing gives me a serious case of the feels, like ME1 did.

I think that there may be some nostalgia in there. I get that feeling from ME2, since that was my introduction to Mass Effect. If it isn't just that then it might be the better character interaction in 2.

What better character interaction in 2? Most squadmates doesn't even acknowledge each other's existence.

ME3 has better character interaction than that and 1.

Not NPC->NPC, Player->NPC.

I disagree with that.

Player->NPC for your squadmates and many NPCs was more like talking to walking codices than actual people. Both ME2 and ME3 are superior to that in my opinion...Compare the interaction of meeting jack on Grissom than meeting anyone in ME1.

[andy6915]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

 guess v. 

guessed, guess·ing, guess·esv.tr

.1.a. To predict (a result or an event) without sufficient information
.b. To assume, presume, or assert (a fact) without sufficient information.

2. To form a correct estimate or conjecture of: guessed the answer.

3. To suppose; think: I guess he was wrong.

You know what, fine. Difference is though, my assumptions weren't about an individual, it was a general statement. I made no assumptions about anyone, I made an assumption about a fanbase. I call that a distinction.

[TheProtheans]

andy69156915 wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

 guess v. 

guessed, guess·ing, guess·esv.tr

.1.a. To predict (a result or an event) without sufficient information
.b. To assume, presume, or assert (a fact) without sufficient information.

2. To form a correct estimate or conjecture of: guessed the answer.

3. To suppose; think: I guess he was wrong.

You know what, fine. Difference is though, my assumptions weren't about an individual, it was a general statement. I made no assumptions about anyone, I made an assumption about a fanbase. I call that a distinction.

Isn't it worse when people make assumptions about large groups of people.
I'm offended by it.

[Ticonderoga117]

ME1's gameplay was fine as it was, minus the planets made of nothing but mountains. The RP elements were good and the shooting was alright, which is fine because the story was the motivator here.

ME2 did better shooting, but stripped a ton of RP elements out. Also, I couldn't shoot enemies from the next mountain range over. However the talking bits were still rather detailed and it worked so hey, cudos.

ME3 does have good mechanics mostly. Same slick shooting, but still doesn't make things feel more "open". RP elements re-added so leveling up doesn't seem as boring. The talking though got the ax big time which stinks.

However, I'll still rather play ME1 and ME2 over ME3. Why? Because there aren't giant holes of stupid in those games story wise. And that's why I love those games. Story. If I want good shooting I'll load up Halo, battlefield, CoD, take your pick. Story that is REALLY enjoyable? That's a bit harder to get.

[andy6915]

TheProtheans wrote...

andy69156915 wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

 guess v. 

guessed, guess·ing, guess·esv.tr

.1.a. To predict (a result or an event) without sufficient information
.b. To assume, presume, or assert (a fact) without sufficient information.

2. To form a correct estimate or conjecture of: guessed the answer.

3. To suppose; think: I guess he was wrong.

You know what, fine. Difference is though, my assumptions weren't about an individual, it was a general statement. I made no assumptions about anyone, I made an assumption about a fanbase. I call that a distinction.

Isn't it worse when people make assumptions about large groups of people.
I'm offended by it.

No, it's not worse. You can assume or think I'm not referring to you specifically when I talk about a group. But if an assumption targets someone specifically, there is absolutely no way to think that maybe I don't mean you and merely mean everyone else. Targeting a group allows people to consider themselves an exception if it makes them feel better, absolving themselves of getting insulted. You're only offended because you assume I'm talking about you. I might be, or I might not be. Without me naming anyone, no one person should feel insulted.

[JamesFaith]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Yes, we should mercilessly interrogate people who prefer ME1 to ferret out the ones who do so for wrong reasons.

...This is moronic. Idiotic. Cretinous. You know, stoopid.

You mean repeat process started after releasing of ME3 which include people who liked endings?

But is nice to see that suddenly it is so despicable when critizied piece is ME1.

[andy6915]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

ME1's gameplay was fine as it was, minus the planets made of nothing but mountains. The RP elements were good and the shooting was alright, which is fine because the story was the motivator here.

ME2 did better shooting, but stripped a ton of RP elements out. Also, I couldn't shoot enemies from the next mountain range over. However the talking bits were still rather detailed and it worked so hey, cudos.

ME3 does have good mechanics mostly. Same slick shooting, but still doesn't make things feel more "open". RP elements re-added so leveling up doesn't seem as boring. The talking though got the ax big time which stinks.

However, I'll still rather play ME1 and ME2 over ME3. Why? Because there aren't giant holes of stupid in those games story wise. And that's why I love those games. Story. If I want good shooting I'll load up Halo, battlefield, CoD, take your pick. Story that is REALLY enjoyable? That's a bit harder to get.

ME1 also has huge holes of stupid, but ME1 lovers usually choose to ignore them. And you just admitted that the latter 2 games are better at the actual gaming parts to them, which is my point.

[Ajensis]

JamesFaith wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Yes, we should mercilessly interrogate people who prefer ME1 to ferret out the ones who do so for wrong reasons.

...This is moronic. Idiotic. Cretinous. You know, stoopid.

You mean repeat process started after releasing of ME3 which include people who liked endings?

But is nice to see that suddenly it is so despicable when critizied piece is ME1.

There are opposing views on ME3's endings and even though some Destroy supporters can be pretty bad at judging Control and/or Synthesis supporters, the same happens towards people in favour of Destroy. Not as much, but that only reflects the percentage of people who finds Destroy the better ending.

You don't see the same with people proclaiming their love for ME2 and ME3, do you? Even the majority of people criticising the endings of the 3rd game agree that ME3 as a whole is a great game.

Also, in response to ME1 being special to certain players because it was their first game, I'll just add that ME2 was my first Mass Effect experience and I still like ME1 better. Nostalgia isn't always the explanation