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You know what ME1's problem was? It was too unfocused, tried to do too many things at once and tripped.


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Ajensis wrote...

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Yes, we should mercilessly interrogate people who prefer ME1 to ferret out the ones who do so for wrong reasons.

...This is moronic. Idiotic. Cretinous. You know, stoopid.


You mean repeat process started after releasing of ME3 which include people who liked endings?

But is nice to see that suddenly it is so despicable when critizied piece is ME1.:whistle:


There are opposing views on ME3's endings and even though some Destroy supporters can be pretty bad at judging Control and/or Synthesis supporters, the same happens towards people in favour of Destroy. Not as much, but that only reflects the percentage of people who finds Destroy the better ending.

You don't see the same with people proclaiming their love for ME2 and ME3, do you? Even the majority of people criticising the endings of the 3rd game agree that ME3 as a whole is a great game.

Also, in response to ME1 being special to certain players because it was their first game, I'll just add that ME2 was my first Mass Effect experience and I still like ME1 better. Nostalgia isn't always the explanation :P


As I said, I know some people like ME1 most for non-nostalgic reasons. Opinions are like that.

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andy69156915 wrote...
As I said, I know some people like ME1 most for non-nostalgic reasons. Opinions are like that.


Um, yes? :P

andy69156915 wrote...
ME1 also has huge holes of stupid, but ME1 lovers usually choose to ignore them. And you just admitted that the latter 2 games are better at the actual gaming parts to them, which is my point.


Ah, those silly "ME1 lovers".

I don't think I've ever seen anyone say ME1 was perfect and without flaws. It's just a matter of perceiving its strengths to outweigh the less good parts.

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andy69156915 wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

andy69156915 wrote...

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 guess v. 

guessed
guess·ingguess·esv.tr

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1.a. To predict (a result or an event) without sufficient information
.b. To assume, presume, or assert (a fact) without sufficient information.

2. 
To form a correct estimate or conjecture of: guessed the answer.

3. 
To suppose; think: I guess he was wrong.


You know what, fine. Difference is though, my assumptions weren't about an individual, it was a general statement. I made no assumptions about anyone, I made an assumption about a fanbase. I call that a distinction.


Isn't it worse when people make assumptions about large groups of people.
I'm offended by it.


No, it's not worse. You can assume or think I'm not referring to you specifically when I talk about a group. But if an assumption targets someone specifically, there is absolutely no way to think that maybe I don't mean you and merely mean everyone else. Targeting a group allows people to consider themselves an exception if it makes them feel better, absolving themselves of getting insulted. You're only offended because you assume I'm talking about you. I might be, or I might not be. Without me naming anyone, no one person should feel insulted.


So to absolve ones self they have to state they're not the type of person you're targeting to insult.
In essence they're guilty until they prove their innocence against this insult to their belief.
I'm offended I have to do this process in the first place.

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Finn the Jakey wrote...

ME1's combat was complete sh*t.
Sorry people, it just was.

Oh, and the inventory system a pain in the ass as well.

Amen.B)

Mass effect 1 did have the mako. which gave the gameplay a lot of extra flavor. as long as you didnt do side missions...

Modifié par erezike, 19 mai 2013 - 07:31 .


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TheProtheans wrote...

andy69156915 wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

andy69156915 wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

 guess v. 

guessed
guess·ingguess·esv.tr

.
1.a. To predict (a result or an event) without sufficient information
.b. To assume, presume, or assert (a fact) without sufficient information.

2. 
To form a correct estimate or conjecture of: guessed the answer.

3. 
To suppose; think: I guess he was wrong.


You know what, fine. Difference is though, my assumptions weren't about an individual, it was a general statement. I made no assumptions about anyone, I made an assumption about a fanbase. I call that a distinction.


Isn't it worse when people make assumptions about large groups of people.
I'm offended by it.


No, it's not worse. You can assume or think I'm not referring to you specifically when I talk about a group. But if an assumption targets someone specifically, there is absolutely no way to think that maybe I don't mean you and merely mean everyone else. Targeting a group allows people to consider themselves an exception if it makes them feel better, absolving themselves of getting insulted. You're only offended because you assume I'm talking about you. I might be, or I might not be. Without me naming anyone, no one person should feel insulted.


So to absolve ones self they have to state they're not the type of person you're targeting to insult.
In essence they're guilty until they prove their innocence against this insult to their belief.
I'm offended I have to do this process in the first place.


What process am I making you do again? I don't recall giving a damn about anything you do, let alone forcing you to do something.

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Alright, alright, I'm going to jump here to fill the argumentative void with my enlightening opinions:

Mass Effect is, quite frankly, boring. It is a slow, plodding experience with bland visuals, characters, and gameplay. The story is mediocre and almost stale. Some love the old-timey sci-fi vibe the game has going for it. I don't. In fact, I find that, too, to be boring.

But why does the game have those problems? I'm not entirely sure. It could be that, in focusing so much on the grander scale of things, they lost sight of all of the little things that gave life to the larger experience. You know, something to augment the 7-hour story. It could be that, in their attempt to incorporate all of these features, they, like Andy suggested, overreached and diminished the quality as a whole

At the end of the day, Mass Effect does quite a few things right. But it also does quite a few more things wrong. The passion that went into the game and how much the player appreciates that passion ultimately determines whether the player will enjoy the game. There are outliers, of course, like those who really dig that kind of setting, but I digress.

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I find Me1 middle of the series. It's gameplay makes it torture to playthrough with how much it drags, how uninteresting most of the enviroments are unelss you park and angle the camera at a certain angle, and how clunky everything is. It holds back the decent enough story and okay characters to make it not too good.

It's not bad. And it's certainly still in the range of the 85-95 out of 100 rating, but it's just not the best in my opinion because it's faults make it hard to enjoy.

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Mass Effect 1 feels like a chore, yet I still love it. Don't care what anyone says, 'cause its the story that gets me to play it multiple times.

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andy69156915 wrote...

I finally figured out the main reason I find ME1 to be the worst in the series. The game didn't know what it wanted to be. It was a game that wasn't sure if it wanted to be an RPG or a shooter, and so it tried to do both at maximum and ended up falling short of both. He who chases 2 hares catches neither, jack of all trades, good at everything but amazing at nothing. Its RPG elements weren't as good as Dragon Age's or SW Knights of the Old Republic's or something, and its shooter elements were far from good and there were average third person shooters last gen that did better at it (GUN, Metal Arms Glitch in the System, Max Payne 1&2). Its attempt to do both made it fall short of both.

Which left Bioware with a choice, do it again and once again make a game that fails at both genres, or diminish one side and focus on the other. Bioware chose to focus on the shooter side and diminish the RPG side, that was the path they took. And if you ask me, that ended up working for the best because ME2&3 felt more focused in their game design because the series finally got focused on what kind of game it wanted to be.

Now it could be argued that it was the wrong path, and that they should have diminished the shooter elements while focusing on the RPG side. But that is a what-if, we don't know how that would have turned out. I suspect it would have ended up like DA:O was when using a bow, mostly just a lot of standing around and letting auto attack do all thw work while constant digital dice rolls determined your hit rate and stuff. Or like Valkyria Chronicles gameplay set in the ME universe, except characters wouldn't die if left untreated and the movement stamina was removed. Or like Resonance of Fate with less insane anime acrobatics and gun-fu. I assume those because DA:O is a Bioware game and Bioware likes to use similar gameplay styles if they can help it, and the other 2 are RPGs where everyone uses guns and are clearly RPGs with shooter elements instead of the other way around. If any of those had been the case for how it would have turned out, I'm glad they instead focused on the shooter elements instead because that would have made ME less interesting to me. Don't get me wrong, I like every game mentioned there, but I don't think they would have been good for ME (series, not the pronoun) or have fit the series lore or style.

And before anyone brings up how awesome ME1's rpg elements were because of Noveria... No. Noveria was awesome, I admit. It had probably a dozen ways to accomplish your goals. Just getting a garage pass had tons of ways, you could tell the corrupt admin about the Hanar smuggler, tell him his secretary was an internal affairs spy, blackmail Lorik, make Lorik testify, or give the admin Lorik's evidence. 5 ways just to get a freaking pass is amazing, lots of options. But that was not all ME1 was, Noveria was unique unto itself. No other part of the game was like Noveria, every other place was totally linear and to the point. If every part of the main quest of ME1 was like Noveria, that place would be a good argument. But no where else was like that place, and so it's kind of moot to bring up.

Well, that's just your opinion. If you prefer the more linear style of ME2 and ME3, that's your right. But it doesn't make the people who prefer the openness of the first game wrong in any way. The original premise of the game was what got me interested in the series and that included exploring a huge galaxy. I prefer that openness and non-linear gameplay. I personally believe ME2 is the worst in the series because it's so linear and combat-focused.

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I can't believe so many people just downright hate on ME1's gameplay, to the point where they claim that playing it is comparable to being tortured.

Jesus H. Christ people, it wasn't THAT bad. Truly bad gameplay is something that doesn't work and/or is flat out broken. I didn't have a problem with the combat, in fact there were times were I rather enjoyed it. I KNOW RIGHT!? Who would've thought? In fact I found the game to be pretty damn challenging on Insanity. But if you can't understand why a lot of people enjoyed the ME1 experience over the other two, then that's on you. Every game is different, therefore not everyone is gonna like the same thing.

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Mdoggy1214 wrote...

I can't believe so many people just downright hate on ME1's gameplay, to the point where they claim that playing it is comparable to being tortured.

Jesus H. Christ people, it wasn't THAT bad. Truly bad gameplay is something that doesn't work and/or is flat out broken. I didn't have a problem with the combat, in fact there were times were I rather enjoyed it. I KNOW RIGHT!? Who would've thought? In fact I found the game to be pretty damn challenging on Insanity. But if you can't understand why a lot of people enjoyed the ME1 experience over the other two, then that's on you. Every game is different, therefore not everyone is gonna like the same thing.


A challenge trying to lick my own elbow that's a challenge playing ME1 in insanity is like stealing candy from a kid whose blind,deaf and mute.Image IPB

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I found that requiring you to use that horrid vehicle of a mako to complete missions was one of the worst gameplay decisions they ever made.

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What's bad is when people have to resort to making complete garbage claims about ME 1 in order to shill it in comparison to ME 2 or ME 3. Such as a better combat RPG system. Or tons of weapons. Or 'exploration.' Or 'more squad armor.'

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Eh, apparently there was a part of me I didn't know existed that really missed driving RC cars, so I kinda dig motoring around in the Mako.

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dreamgazer wrote...

Eh, apparently there was a part of me I didn't know existed that really missed driving RC cars, so I kinda dig motoring around in the Mako.


I think the Mako could've worked in ME3 with improved controls and better terrain same with the Hammerhead

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The Mako worked fine when the terrain wasn't bumpy as hell.

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Mdoggy1214 wrote...

I can't believe so many people just downright hate on ME1's gameplay, to the point where they claim that playing it is comparable to being tortured.


It's called hyperbole.

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eye basher wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

I can't believe so many people just downright hate on ME1's gameplay, to the point where they claim that playing it is comparable to being tortured.

Jesus H. Christ people, it wasn't THAT bad. Truly bad gameplay is something that doesn't work and/or is flat out broken. I didn't have a problem with the combat, in fact there were times were I rather enjoyed it. I KNOW RIGHT!? Who would've thought? In fact I found the game to be pretty damn challenging on Insanity. But if you can't understand why a lot of people enjoyed the ME1 experience over the other two, then that's on you. Every game is different, therefore not everyone is gonna like the same thing.


A challenge trying to lick my own elbow that's a challenge playing ME1 in insanity is like stealing candy from a kid whose blind,deaf and mute.Image IPB


You didn't play Mass Effect 1 on Insanity.

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andy69156915 wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

I can't believe so many people just downright hate on ME1's gameplay, to the point where they claim that playing it is comparable to being tortured.


It's called hyperbole.


Thank you Captain Obvious! You saved the day again!

It's hyperbole that it doesn't deserve.

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Mdoggy1214 wrote...

eye basher wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

I can't believe so many people just downright hate on ME1's gameplay, to the point where they claim that playing it is comparable to being tortured.

Jesus H. Christ people, it wasn't THAT bad. Truly bad gameplay is something that doesn't work and/or is flat out broken. I didn't have a problem with the combat, in fact there were times were I rather enjoyed it. I KNOW RIGHT!? Who would've thought? In fact I found the game to be pretty damn challenging on Insanity. But if you can't understand why a lot of people enjoyed the ME1 experience over the other two, then that's on you. Every game is different, therefore not everyone is gonna like the same thing.


A challenge trying to lick my own elbow that's a challenge playing ME1 in insanity is like stealing candy from a kid whose blind,deaf and mute.Image IPB


You didn't play Mass Effect 1 on Insanity.

I did.
It's not challenging, it's tedious.
I call it "Oblivion syndrome".

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Ledgend1221 wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

eye basher wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

I can't believe so many people just downright hate on ME1's gameplay, to the point where they claim that playing it is comparable to being tortured.

Jesus H. Christ people, it wasn't THAT bad. Truly bad gameplay is something that doesn't work and/or is flat out broken. I didn't have a problem with the combat, in fact there were times were I rather enjoyed it. I KNOW RIGHT!? Who would've thought? In fact I found the game to be pretty damn challenging on Insanity. But if you can't understand why a lot of people enjoyed the ME1 experience over the other two, then that's on you. Every game is different, therefore not everyone is gonna like the same thing.


A challenge trying to lick my own elbow that's a challenge playing ME1 in insanity is like stealing candy from a kid whose blind,deaf and mute.Image IPB


You didn't play Mass Effect 1 on Insanity.

I did.
It's not challenging, it's tedious.
I call it "Oblivion syndrome".


It is challenging when you can get one shotted by a few different enemies, of which take effort to bring down.

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Mdoggy1214 wrote...

eye basher wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

I can't believe so many people just downright hate on ME1's gameplay, to the point where they claim that playing it is comparable to being tortured.

Jesus H. Christ people, it wasn't THAT bad. Truly bad gameplay is something that doesn't work and/or is flat out broken. I didn't have a problem with the combat, in fact there were times were I rather enjoyed it. I KNOW RIGHT!? Who would've thought? In fact I found the game to be pretty damn challenging on Insanity. But if you can't understand why a lot of people enjoyed the ME1 experience over the other two, then that's on you. Every game is different, therefore not everyone is gonna like the same thing.


A challenge trying to lick my own elbow that's a challenge playing ME1 in insanity is like stealing candy from a kid whose blind,deaf and mute.Image IPB


You didn't play Mass Effect 1 on Insanity.


ME1 is the only game i have all the achivements for all of them.

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Are ME2/3's gameplay better than ME1's? Probably.

Is the gameplay in ME1 broken? No I don't think it is.

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eye basher wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

eye basher wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

I can't believe so many people just downright hate on ME1's gameplay, to the point where they claim that playing it is comparable to being tortured.

Jesus H. Christ people, it wasn't THAT bad. Truly bad gameplay is something that doesn't work and/or is flat out broken. I didn't have a problem with the combat, in fact there were times were I rather enjoyed it. I KNOW RIGHT!? Who would've thought? In fact I found the game to be pretty damn challenging on Insanity. But if you can't understand why a lot of people enjoyed the ME1 experience over the other two, then that's on you. Every game is different, therefore not everyone is gonna like the same thing.


A challenge trying to lick my own elbow that's a challenge playing ME1 in insanity is like stealing candy from a kid whose blind,deaf and mute.Image IPB


You didn't play Mass Effect 1 on Insanity.


ME1 is the only game i have all the achivements for all of them.


You do realize it's much easier to get all the achievement in ME2&3 than ME1 right?

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Mdoggy1214 wrote...

andy69156915 wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

I can't believe so many people just downright hate on ME1's gameplay, to the point where they claim that playing it is comparable to being tortured.


It's called hyperbole.


Thank you Captain Obvious! You saved the day again!

It's hyperbole that it doesn't deserve.


Well somebody has to play the role of the Captain. The world would fall into anarchy if no one did.