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[Ledgend1221]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Ledgend1221 wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

eye basher wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

I can't believe so many people just downright hate on ME1's gameplay, to the point where they claim that playing it is comparable to being tortured.

Jesus H. Christ people, it wasn't THAT bad. Truly bad gameplay is something that doesn't work and/or is flat out broken. I didn't have a problem with the combat, in fact there were times were I rather enjoyed it. I KNOW RIGHT!? Who would've thought? In fact I found the game to be pretty damn challenging on Insanity. But if you can't understand why a lot of people enjoyed the ME1 experience over the other two, then that's on you. Every game is different, therefore not everyone is gonna like the same thing.

A challenge trying to lick my own elbow that's a challenge playing ME1 in insanity is like stealing candy from a kid whose blind,deaf and mute.

You didn't play Mass Effect 1 on Insanity.

I did.
It's not challenging, it's tedious.
I call it "Oblivion syndrome".

It is challenging when you can get one shotted by a few different enemies, of which take effort to bring down.

Oneshotted?
It's Heroic harvester VS Heroic harvester.

[Mathias]

Ledgend1221 wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Ledgend1221 wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

eye basher wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

I can't believe so many people just downright hate on ME1's gameplay, to the point where they claim that playing it is comparable to being tortured.

Jesus H. Christ people, it wasn't THAT bad. Truly bad gameplay is something that doesn't work and/or is flat out broken. I didn't have a problem with the combat, in fact there were times were I rather enjoyed it. I KNOW RIGHT!? Who would've thought? In fact I found the game to be pretty damn challenging on Insanity. But if you can't understand why a lot of people enjoyed the ME1 experience over the other two, then that's on you. Every game is different, therefore not everyone is gonna like the same thing.

A challenge trying to lick my own elbow that's a challenge playing ME1 in insanity is like stealing candy from a kid whose blind,deaf and mute.

You didn't play Mass Effect 1 on Insanity.

I did.
It's not challenging, it's tedious.
I call it "Oblivion syndrome".

It is challenging when you can get one shotted by a few different enemies, of which take effort to bring down.

Oneshotted?
It's Heroic harvester VS Heroic harvester.

Huh?

[eye basher]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

eye basher wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

eye basher wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

I can't believe so many people just downright hate on ME1's gameplay, to the point where they claim that playing it is comparable to being tortured.

Jesus H. Christ people, it wasn't THAT bad. Truly bad gameplay is something that doesn't work and/or is flat out broken. I didn't have a problem with the combat, in fact there were times were I rather enjoyed it. I KNOW RIGHT!? Who would've thought? In fact I found the game to be pretty damn challenging on Insanity. But if you can't understand why a lot of people enjoyed the ME1 experience over the other two, then that's on you. Every game is different, therefore not everyone is gonna like the same thing.

A challenge trying to lick my own elbow that's a challenge playing ME1 in insanity is like stealing candy from a kid whose blind,deaf and mute.

You didn't play Mass Effect 1 on Insanity.

ME1 is the only game i have all the achivements for all of them.

You do realize it's much easier to get all the achievement in ME2&3 than ME1 right?

Do you know how many hours of my life i wasted on ME1 to get everything and do everything all armors all guns all missions all difficulties.Was it worth it no it wasn't it was a big waste of time but i did it anyway with 120 different shepards.

[andy6915]

eye basher wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

eye basher wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

eye basher wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

I can't believe so many people just downright hate on ME1's gameplay, to the point where they claim that playing it is comparable to being tortured.

Jesus H. Christ people, it wasn't THAT bad. Truly bad gameplay is something that doesn't work and/or is flat out broken. I didn't have a problem with the combat, in fact there were times were I rather enjoyed it. I KNOW RIGHT!? Who would've thought? In fact I found the game to be pretty damn challenging on Insanity. But if you can't understand why a lot of people enjoyed the ME1 experience over the other two, then that's on you. Every game is different, therefore not everyone is gonna like the same thing.

A challenge trying to lick my own elbow that's a challenge playing ME1 in insanity is like stealing candy from a kid whose blind,deaf and mute.

You didn't play Mass Effect 1 on Insanity.

ME1 is the only game i have all the achivements for all of them.

You do realize it's much easier to get all the achievement in ME2&3 than ME1 right?

Do you know how many hours of my life i wasted on ME1 to get everything and do everything all armors all guns all missions all difficulties.Was it worth it no it wasn't it was a big waste of time but i did it anyway with 120 different shepards.

I hate the "ally" acheivements so bloody much. I still don't have them all after... 30(?) playthroughs. I'm trying to get Kaidan's on this current run, I'm an adept and could really use the 10% cooldown bonus.

[Cainhurst Crow]

AresKeith wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Eh, apparently there was a part of me I didn't know existed that really missed driving RC cars, so I kinda dig motoring around in the Mako.

I think the Mako could've worked in ME3 with improved controls and better terrain same with the Hammerhead

Pretty much. I would have loved the mako, if they had done it better.

But since they didn't, I judge it for what it is, a crappy tank in a barren square of land.

[Big Bad]

I'm not sure which of the three games is my favorite overall, but there are definitely A LOT of things I love about ME1.  And no, that has nothing to do with rose-tinted glasses or nostalgia, as I've played all three games twice this year alone.  I love the atmosphere, the way that the universe is introduced to the player, the overall story, the sense of discovery and adventure (including the mako!), the music, the hubs, the fact that you can buy AND sell things.  Hell, I love the loot system.  I much prefer an overly-customizable system over ME2's drastically stripped down version (ME3 had a pretty happy middle-ground, though I wish I could customize the squadmates more).  That said, there are definitely things that ME2 and ME3 did better, but I definitely don't feel like ME1 is in any way inferior to the other two.   

[IntelligentME3Fanboy]

 ME1 indeed sucks.One of the worst games iver ever played

[andy6915]

IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...

 ME1 indeed sucks.One of the worst games iver ever played

Okay, ease up there. That's going too far. ME1 is a good game with a lot of flaws that I consider the worst in a very good trilogy, not "worst game ever" by a long shot. There's reasoned opinions, and then there's going overboard. You did that latter with that comment.

[dreamgazer]

IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...

 ME1 indeed sucks.One of the worst games iver ever played

You need to play some other games, old sport.

[spirosz]

"It didn't know what it wanted to be.. a RPG or a Shooter"

It wanted to be a hybrid and it did that, with the first one be more focused on RPG elements and the second one, in terms of gameplay, more focused on "Shooter", the third one had a good balance of the two in terms of gameplay, but not PC (ME2 won that for me).

[HiddenInWar]

dreamgazer wrote...

IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...

 ME1 indeed sucks.One of the worst games iver ever played

You need to play some other games, old sport.

http://www.criticalm...by.jpg_width612

[Bleachrude]

AresKeith wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Eh, apparently there was a part of me I didn't know existed that really missed driving RC cars, so I kinda dig motoring around in the Mako.

I think the Mako could've worked in ME3 with improved controls and better terrain same with the Hammerhead

Honestly, my dream-game would be that you combine the better driving of the mako with ALL of the maps of the multiplayer.

If every side mission had a different environment like the MP maps, I'd wouldn't mind doing the side missions at all...

Take fireplace Dagger...you could drive up to the main base, playing hide and seek among the satellites and then go on foot towards the main area...Or Condor..(given how buggy it is in MP), let the mako take the rough terrain of Menae and then on foot get towards firebase Condor...

The multiplayer maps as side missions showed a lot of potential for creativity in level design..from the somewhat claustrophobic nature of firebase glacier to the updated "containers as living room" of firebase ghost.

That of course is one aspect of my dream game but I have to win the lottery (powerball is up to 600 million right?).

[dreamgazer]

HiddenInWar wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...

 ME1 indeed sucks.One of the worst games iver ever played

You need to play some other games, old sport.

http://www.criticalm...by.jpg_width612

[IntelligentME3Fanboy]

andy69156915 wrote...

IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...

 ME1 indeed sucks.One of the worst games iver ever played

Okay, ease up there. That's going too far. ME1 is a good game with a lot of flaws that I consider the worst in a very good trilogy, not "worst game ever" by a long shot. There's reasoned opinions, and then there's going overboard. You did that latter with that comment.

i didn't say it's worst game ever,it's one of the worst games I HAVE PLAYED.

horrible combat
repetitive and boring side missions
illusion of choice( not that i really care about it)
horrible graphics even on PC 

6/10

[SlottsMachine]

dreamgazer wrote...

IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...

 ME1 indeed sucks.One of the worst games iver ever played

You need to play some other games, old sport.

Yeah like this game.

[PnXMarcin1PL]

Ok that is your opinion. I love the game no matter what others say and flame.

[Erez Kristal]

eye basher wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

I can't believe so many people just downright hate on ME1's gameplay, to the point where they claim that playing it is comparable to being tortured.

Jesus H. Christ people, it wasn't THAT bad. Truly bad gameplay is something that doesn't work and/or is flat out broken. I didn't have a problem with the combat, in fact there were times were I rather enjoyed it. I KNOW RIGHT!? Who would've thought? In fact I found the game to be pretty damn challenging on Insanity. But if you can't understand why a lot of people enjoyed the ME1 experience over the other two, then that's on you. Every game is different, therefore not everyone is gonna like the same thing.

A challenge trying to lick my own elbow that's a challenge playing ME1 in insanity is like stealing candy from a kid whose blind,deaf and mute.

try playing without using any of your abilities. it will play much more like me2 and 3. maybe even a much bigger challange. 

[chemiclord]

I'm also of the camp that disliked ME1 the most of the trilogy... to the point that I didn't buy ME2 until I was assured it was little like the first.

That said, I don't think it was "bad." It was a very solid story (even if it lacked the "hard choices" that were promised before release).

It just had a lot of annoying traits of traditional RPGs that I find useless or boring. Even PnP players don't particularly adore the dice rolling, turn based, stat sheet style of play (hence why you see constant attempts to make tabletop RPG's more like "real time" roleplay)... but at end of the day, it's a necessary shorthand that players accept for the sake of actually playing.

I honestly find side quests and alternate dungeons to be rather narrative breaking (you're in such a hurry to find and stop Saren... yet you have time to tool around on any world you can land the Mako on... kay. That makes no sense at all... but whatever).

I also have very little love for 17 pages of inventory that I will never use. I strongly dislike stats that are thrown in there pretty much only for the sake of having them. The "Charm" and "Intimidate" stats are a classic example of this. I much prefer the later versions where your ability to sway someone is a result of your actual game accomplishments, rather than something you slap a point into upon level up.

The redundancy not just between missions, but DURING missions was something else I couldn't quite get over. In another island I'm sure I'm on, I disliked Race Against Time (the final mission of ME1) even more than Priority: Earth. People talk about a lack of variety in ME3? Let me show you lack of variety:

1) Go down generic citadel path.

2) Fight cluster of Geth.

3) Turn corner.

4) Repeat Steps 1-3 until you're ready to turn the gun on yourself and pull the trigger.

CRPGs don't have to resort to these sort of things, but many of them do anyway (because that's how they've always been done I guess), and add a lot of their own annoying tendencies that aggravate me. I appreciate that ME2 and ME3 tried to change the model for CRPGs in that sense... even though the story rapidly lost cohesion.

Modifié par chemiclord, 19 mai 2013 - 10:20 .

[IntelligentME3Fanboy]

General Slotts wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...

 ME1 indeed sucks.One of the worst games iver ever played

You need to play some other games, old sport.

Yeah like this game.

Still better than mass effect

[Reorte]

Bleachrude wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Eh, apparently there was a part of me I didn't know existed that really missed driving RC cars, so I kinda dig motoring around in the Mako.

I think the Mako could've worked in ME3 with improved controls and better terrain same with the Hammerhead

Honestly, my dream-game would be that you combine the better driving of the mako with ALL of the maps of the multiplayer.

If every side mission had a different environment like the MP maps, I'd wouldn't mind doing the side missions at all...

Take fireplace Dagger...you could drive up to the main base, playing hide and seek among the satellites and then go on foot towards the main area...Or Condor..(given how buggy it is in MP), let the mako take the rough terrain of Menae and then on foot get towards firebase Condor...

The multiplayer maps as side missions showed a lot of potential for creativity in level design..from the somewhat claustrophobic nature of firebase glacier to the updated "containers as living room" of firebase ghost.

That of course is one aspect of my dream game but I have to win the lottery (powerball is up to 600 million right?).

That would be nice but clearly the amount of work required for a lot of such environments would be massive. The Mako can cover a lot of ground quite quickly, which means a lot of ground to be carefully created. Personally I think more could be done with better use of random terrain generation tools with some manual tweaking to all of them; it wouldn't be the same detail as the MP maps but enough to not get boring.

[Ticonderoga117]

andy69156915 wrote...
ME1 also has huge holes of stupid, but ME1 lovers usually choose to ignore them. And you just admitted that the latter 2 games are better at the actual gaming parts to them, which is my point.

They are no where in comparison to ME3's issues.

And honestly, the "gaming" parts of the ME games I enjoy most is the talky parts. That's the game. Make choices, talk to people. Role Play.

ME3 dumbs that down to a fraction of what it was.

Simply because a game has good shooting doesn't make it a good game. Much like how a book can have great grammar structure but I still wouldn't rate it a good book if it's full of stupid and boring.

[Mathias]

IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...

andy69156915 wrote...

IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...

 ME1 indeed sucks.One of the worst games iver ever played

Okay, ease up there. That's going too far. ME1 is a good game with a lot of flaws that I consider the worst in a very good trilogy, not "worst game ever" by a long shot. There's reasoned opinions, and then there's going overboard. You did that latter with that comment.

i didn't say it's worst game ever,it's one of the worst games I HAVE PLAYED.

horrible combat
repetitive and boring side missions
illusion of choice( not that i really care about it)
horrible graphics even on PC 

6/10

How is that a fault of the game? The choices in ME1 were great, it's just that with the exception of the Virmire choices, none of the other choices did anything in ME3. It's really more of a fault with the 3rd game.

Horrible graphics? It was first generation Xbox 360 graphics, and in that regard they were fine. You don't know what horrible is.

As for repetitive and boring side missions, well that's you opinion. If you're referring to the map layouts then yeah sure, but the objective of each mission and the dialogue that came with them were all unique and that's what made them fun. Helping Garrus finally catch up to Dr. Saleon, or breaking up a hostage situation were some of my favorite moments in ME1.

Modifié par Mdoggy1214, 20 mai 2013 - 01:00 .

[spirosz]

Well, of course the choices in ME1 were great, since there was no past decisions to be accounted for. That's the main flaw of the trilogy, they seem more suited for stand alone experiences, or building the games specifically towards that. Even though, personally, it's not the same experience as importing or that emotional attachment to "x".


There are too many choices to be accounted for, to strictly blame ME3 on not delivering on "certain" things.  If there is anyone to blame, blame the need to trying to please everyone, or mainly, the too many variable outcomes in ME2... that must of been a mess for ME3. For the time period ME3 had, I believe Bioware tried their best, but were too ambitious, which isn't a bad thing, but for many of us, we had unrealistic expectations tied to these so called choices. Mind you, ME2 is my favourite of the trilogy, but it's broke the series - too many squadmates, bad foundation for ME3 to work off of, in terms of ME1 choices, the whole "Shepard can die once" in relation to ME3's ending and "space magic" and straying away from certain RPG elements. Though, I don't miss the inventory or exploration that ME1 had, I didn't wish them to be completely removed.  ME3 tries, but it didn't have the best to work from (writers leaving, new head lead, different visions, who knows.)

Modifié par spirosz, 20 mai 2013 - 01:11 .

[Leonardo the Magnificent]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

andy69156915 wrote...
ME1 also has huge holes of stupid, but ME1 lovers usually choose to ignore them. And you just admitted that the latter 2 games are better at the actual gaming parts to them, which is my point.

They are no where in comparison to ME3's issues.

And honestly, the "gaming" parts of the ME games I enjoy most is the talky parts. That's the game. Make choices, talk to people. Role Play.

ME3 dumbs that down to a fraction of what it was.

Simply because a game has good shooting doesn't make it a good game. Much like how a book can have great grammar structure but I still wouldn't rate it a good book if it's full of stupid and boring.

What? Good gameplay is the foundation of a good game, and the very pillar of games in general. Sure, good gameplay doesn't necessarily guaruntee that the game will be good, but a lack thereof goes a long way towards making a bad game. Take Dark Souls, for instance. The story is almost non-existent, but the gameplay is, for the most part, phenomenal, and the game is treated as such. You can't have a good game without good gameplay.

[spirosz]

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

andy69156915 wrote...
ME1 also has huge holes of stupid, but ME1 lovers usually choose to ignore them. And you just admitted that the latter 2 games are better at the actual gaming parts to them, which is my point.

They are no where in comparison to ME3's issues.

And honestly, the "gaming" parts of the ME games I enjoy most is the talky parts. That's the game. Make choices, talk to people. Role Play.

ME3 dumbs that down to a fraction of what it was.

Simply because a game has good shooting doesn't make it a good game. Much like how a book can have great grammar structure but I still wouldn't rate it a good book if it's full of stupid and boring.

What? Good gameplay is the foundation of a good game, and the very pillar of games in general. Sure, good gameplay doesn't necessarily guaruntee that the game will be good, but a lack thereof goes a long way towards making a bad game. Take Dark Souls, for instance. The story is almost non-existent, but the gameplay is, for the most part, phenomenal, and the game is treated as such. You can't have a good game without good gameplay.

Demon Souls is better, trollface.
I wonder why the word gameplay has 'game'?