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[Red Templar]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Red Templar: The established factions of mages seems to have been utterly thrown out for the sake of this stupid conflict.

The Isolationists, Loyalists and Lucrosians should have been dead set against this conflict. And - while they're likely MUCH smaller numbers, they should not be siding with the radicals at all.

That the Aequatarians joined the radicals is largely insane to me - and wholly suicidal. Being the largest faction - reportedly with the most Senior Enchanters - this faction should have publicly and loudly crushed the Libertarians when they rose up.

That the mages aren't pro-active in policing themselves and showing their good faith is simply a failure of storytelling (we cannot blame fictional characters for their master's malpractice).

I have to believe that the writers purposefully chose the stupidest possible course for the mages simply to continue providing conflict on Thedas.

Using your example of places like Africa - the actions of these mages will resonate with the populations of Thedas for decades, if not centuries - not unlike the patchwork of cultural and religious conflict throughout that continent (most places really).

It would seem to me the new Thedas will be filled with a crippled mage community with no central learning - the return of "witches" as mages try to figure out magic on their own (and turn to demons for their education). Roving bands of witch hating lynch mobs - suspicious peasants - demon infested areas where the Veil has been torn - and cults of mages banding together in secret.

Yeah we're on the same page. A supersititious, decentralized world of witches and peasant mobs is what should logically arise from a mage victory. Now I would hope that the different fraternities re-emerge onto the scene in the next installment, and that their differences play a divisive role in any settlement of the conflict. Seeing the different ways that the factions go could be interesting. Loyalists staying in the fold. Isolationists forming communes that threaten the safety of nearby areas due to lack of outside supervision and intervention when an Uldred takes over. Libertarians setting themselves up as warlords over subjugated towns and villages. That's the sensible, and therefore the more interesting, progression.

[ArcaneJTM]

StreetMagic wrote...

Another blight is easily possible. If you saved the architect, you have a potential dude who might wake yet another archdemon up. If you didn't save the architect, you still have a potential Corphyeus mobilizing a lot of darkspawn with his "song". He might even get the Architect's former adherents on his side. Like the Mother, some of them miss the "song". She actually preferred being controlled in a hive mind. This could all spark a pseudo blight. Perhaps not with an archdemon, but a newly powered Corypheus this time around. In addition to that, he might even entice Grey Wardens. Then people are screwed even worse than other blights.

You probably would too if you went through what she did to end up like that and one day found yourself "aware".

[freche]

Drain everyone's blood. No blood, no Blood Magic.

[Herr Uhl]

StreetMagic wrote...

I'm sure if our Wardens had time, we could rehabilitate the Mother, just like Seven of Nine. 

Why would you even want to do that?

[iOnlySignIn]

StreetMagic wrote...

The Qunari are just a foil. When Gaider himself calls them "Militant Islamist Borg", I'm pretty sure there isn't going to be the brightest future for them. There isn't much hope when your main writer is making jokes too.

Do you need to be reminded that the Borg did pretty well in Star Trek. 

The Zerg is doing even better in StarCraft.

[iOnlySignIn]

StreetMagic wrote...

I'm sure if our Wardens had time, we could rehabilitate the Mother, just like Seven of Nine. 

You know the main reason 7/9 was rehabilitated? The Mother doesn't have that.

[iOnlySignIn]

StreetMagic wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

The Qunari are just a foil. When Gaider himself calls them "Militant Islamist Borg", I'm pretty sure there isn't going to be the brightest future for them. There isn't much hope when your main writer is making jokes too.

Do you need to be reminded that the Borg did pretty well in Star Trek. 

The Zerg is doing even better in StarCraft.

What do you mean by doing well? They remained an unredeemable foil for as long as they were around. Until the writers moved on the next big bad, the Dominion.

Don't know much about Starcraft.

I was referring to your "I'm pretty sure there isn't going to be the brightest future for them". Their future seems quite bright to me.

[iOnlySignIn]

StreetMagic wrote...

The Qun is perfection, in their minds. Just like the Borg mindset is. Once you're perfect, you can never change. There's no reason to cohabitate or evolve when you're that sure of yourself.

I see no difference from any other religion which involves concepts like heaven (a perfect place), or an omnipotent creator (a perfect being). In fact, pretty much every religion there is. Even Buddhism (which does not mention a creator) is about attaining Nirvana, which is a perfect state of being.

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 21 mai 2013 - 12:18 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

The Mage vs. Templar conflict wont ever be resolved, neither will the Darkspawn issues, nor the Qunari issues. They wont ever be solved because they are simply just too damn good story arcs. What can be solved is the issue of Elven oppression, because the solution to that conflcit would open up for a whole new bunch of conflcits, whereas the removal of QUnari, Darkspawn and Templars/Mages won't help create any new captivating storylines.

[EmperorSahlertz]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

The Qun is perfection, in their minds. Just like the Borg mindset is. Once you're perfect, you can never change. There's no reason to cohabitate or evolve when you're that sure of yourself.

I see no difference from any other religion which involves concepts like heaven (a perfect place), or an omnipotent creator (a perfect being). In fact, pretty much every religion there is. Even Buddhism (which does not mention a creator) is about attaining Nirvana, which is a perfect state of being.

Actually Nirvana is a perfect state of nothingness. The goal of a buddhist is to cease existing (something many pop-buddishst fail to realize).

[iOnlySignIn]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

I see no difference from any other religion which involves concepts like heaven (a perfect place), or an omnipotent creator (a perfect being). In fact, pretty much every religion there is. Even Buddhism (which does not mention a creator) is about attaining Nirvana, which is a perfect state of being.

Actually Nirvana is a perfect state of nothingness. The goal of a buddhist is to cease existing (something many pop-buddishst fail to realize).

Well, aren't you as delightfully full of BS as usual. Please make more.

[iOnlySignIn]

StreetMagic wrote...

That's all well and good, but what if I want to embrace struggle and pain? And what if I just want imperfection in all it's ugliness and beauty? The Qun wouldn't have it. They would enforce their way instead.

Actually the Qunari doesn't give a damn what the bas want. My Hawke made it clear to the Arishok that she prefers chaos and disorder, and yet he respects her above all the bas in the city.

The Arishok took action only after he was stranded for three years, during which the Qunari at Kirkwall had been repeatedly harassed, robbed, framed, murdered, and persecuted.

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 21 mai 2013 - 12:33 .

[iOnlySignIn]

StreetMagic wrote...

The Arishok cares. Just like all Qunari care to spread the Qun. He just says he wasn't equipped for type of mission.

"Filth stole from us... That is why I do not simply walk away from this pustule of a city."

"Fixing your mess is not the Demand of the Qun."

He would have left long ago if he had Isabela and the Tome. I thought that's patently obvious.

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 21 mai 2013 - 12:37 .

[iOnlySignIn]

Filament wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

I see no difference from any other religion which involves concepts like heaven (a perfect place), or an omnipotent creator (a perfect being). In fact, pretty much every religion there is. Even Buddhism (which does not mention a creator) is about attaining Nirvana, which is a perfect state of being.

Actually Nirvana is a perfect state of nothingness. The goal of a buddhist is to cease existing (something many pop-buddishst fail to realize).

Well, aren't you as delightfully full of BS as usual. Please make more.

It's not BS. Grasping to reach some kind of "perfect place" (including Nirvana) is just the kind of thing a buddhist would be against.

Fascinating. Please tell me more.

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 21 mai 2013 - 12:43 .

[Solmanian]

Tearing into the fade and waging war on the native race of immortal beings powered by human emotions? That's the easy way?

From the logistical stand point alone it would be easier to just kill/tranquilize every last mage... Atleast they're all on the same plane of existence as your army. Also known by the templars as "Plan A".

[UnderlAlDyingSun]

I don't see any problem with blood magic as it stands. Just weak minded scrubs.

The desire demons could stand to be a little more desirable though.

[Solmanian]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

The Mage vs. Templar conflict wont ever be resolved, neither will the Darkspawn issues, nor the Qunari issues. They wont ever be solved because they are simply just too damn good story arcs. What can be solved is the issue of Elven oppression, because the solution to that conflcit would open up for a whole new bunch of conflcits, whereas the removal of QUnari, Darkspawn and Templars/Mages won't help create any new captivating storylines.

Oh, poor silly rabbit.  if the dalish aren't a bunch of cry babies complaining about what was taken from them 2 millenia ago, than what are they?

[Xilizhra]

Red Templar wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Red Templar: The established factions of mages seems to have been utterly thrown out for the sake of this stupid conflict.

The Isolationists, Loyalists and Lucrosians should have been dead set against this conflict. And - while they're likely MUCH smaller numbers, they should not be siding with the radicals at all.

That the Aequatarians joined the radicals is largely insane to me - and wholly suicidal. Being the largest faction - reportedly with the most Senior Enchanters - this faction should have publicly and loudly crushed the Libertarians when they rose up.

That the mages aren't pro-active in policing themselves and showing their good faith is simply a failure of storytelling (we cannot blame fictional characters for their master's malpractice).

I have to believe that the writers purposefully chose the stupidest possible course for the mages simply to continue providing conflict on Thedas.

Using your example of places like Africa - the actions of these mages will resonate with the populations of Thedas for decades, if not centuries - not unlike the patchwork of cultural and religious conflict throughout that continent (most places really).

It would seem to me the new Thedas will be filled with a crippled mage community with no central learning - the return of "witches" as mages try to figure out magic on their own (and turn to demons for their education). Roving bands of witch hating lynch mobs - suspicious peasants - demon infested areas where the Veil has been torn - and cults of mages banding together in secret.

Yeah we're on the same page. A supersititious, decentralized world of witches and peasant mobs is what should logically arise from a mage victory. Now I would hope that the different fraternities re-emerge onto the scene in the next installment, and that their differences play a divisive role in any settlement of the conflict. Seeing the different ways that the factions go could be interesting. Loyalists staying in the fold. Isolationists forming communes that threaten the safety of nearby areas due to lack of outside supervision and intervention when an Uldred takes over. Libertarians setting themselves up as warlords over subjugated towns and villages. That's the sensible, and therefore the more interesting, progression.

No, that's just boring. There's a relatively easy way to get past this, though it may gall me to admit it: ally with the Chantry. If what's left of the Chantry leadership can be convinced that the mage genie cannot be put back in the bottle and the templars are too dangerous to keep around, which may or may not be tricky, but the Inquisition can hopefully be the bridge here. Ultimately, though, the Circle has to try to integrate itself into greater Thedas society rather than be torn further apart from it, even throughout the war; this will be difficult, but probably made somewhat easier by the fact that everywhere is in chaos and there are some reasonable spots to enter. Not necessarily easy, but I have faith in the rebellion, and in the fact that the templars will never win, even morally.