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Weird, all the good players are in Silver
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#76
Posté 20 mai 2013 - 02:37
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I play on silver to level up and grind for banners. I can carry pugs without consumables and just have fun. Gold for me is only with friends. I have played one year in Me3 multi player. So I have seen better pug players (teamwork)on ps3 silver than gold. (Leaching)
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#77
Posté 20 mai 2013 - 02:40
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It's easier to seem like a good player in Silver. Like, a LOT easier.
Go back to Wood difficulty, noob. That's where scrubs like you belong.Slimjim0725 wrote...
I wouldn't know. I can't even beat Bronze.
#79
Posté 20 mai 2013 - 03:01
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Notorious P I G wrote...
Wrong. All the best players are in the thunderdome.
There might be some truth hidden in that statement.
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Posté 20 mai 2013 - 03:44
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ASmoothCriminalx wrote...
TMB903 wrote...
lolsilver
#82
Posté 20 mai 2013 - 03:47
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Glad someone other than me can tell when a Silver player belongs in Gold.
Seriously, I can't believe it's that hard for people here to just mentally scale these things. All it takes is setting a baseline and using that! (For example, on a kit basis: I can clear a Gold match with some difficulty by using, say, the Salarian Engineer. I decide to play some Silver with the same build. Yeah, I'm smoking things, but that's not the point. Later, I bring, say, my Drell Vanguard into Silver... and I'm smoking things WAY easier than with the Salarian Engineer. Thus, I can safely conclude that if I were to bring the Drell Vanguard into Gold, I would be able to clear a Gold match with more ease than with the Salarian Engineer. There are very, VERY few exceptions where this does not work.)
Seriously, I can't believe it's that hard for people here to just mentally scale these things. All it takes is setting a baseline and using that! (For example, on a kit basis: I can clear a Gold match with some difficulty by using, say, the Salarian Engineer. I decide to play some Silver with the same build. Yeah, I'm smoking things, but that's not the point. Later, I bring, say, my Drell Vanguard into Silver... and I'm smoking things WAY easier than with the Salarian Engineer. Thus, I can safely conclude that if I were to bring the Drell Vanguard into Gold, I would be able to clear a Gold match with more ease than with the Salarian Engineer. There are very, VERY few exceptions where this does not work.)
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#84
Posté 20 mai 2013 - 06:36
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WHHHHHHY
Silver was becoming too easy 10? months ago, when I knew the spawns and had good weapons.
Please please please please realize which difficulty you belong to - goldnoobs and lolsilvermaxedmanifest players alike ;__;
Silver was becoming too easy 10? months ago, when I knew the spawns and had good weapons.
Please please please please realize which difficulty you belong to - goldnoobs and lolsilvermaxedmanifest players alike ;__;
#85
Posté 20 mai 2013 - 07:08
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This is going to sound really conceited, but...
Silver is honestly too easy for me to have fun with it any more. If I play it with my best kits and weapons and play at my normal capacity, I will usually dominate so hard that I suspect I'm detrimental to the fun of the other players, and I'll still be a little bored. The only way I can find it enough of a challenge to be fun is to bring kits/weapons where I have NFI what I'm doing.
And I don't have a maxed manifest. I don't even have very detailed knowledge on spawn control, only some vague general ideas. I have like half the played hours of people with max manifests, and I have only played Platinum around 10 times now (most of them by accident!).
So... I honestly can't understand why anyone with a maxed manifest, who probably has over 1000 hours played and a good chunk of those hours spent in Platinum, would be playing in Silver besides Challenge grinding. I would think such players would consider Gold to be 'relaxing' enough.
Silver is honestly too easy for me to have fun with it any more. If I play it with my best kits and weapons and play at my normal capacity, I will usually dominate so hard that I suspect I'm detrimental to the fun of the other players, and I'll still be a little bored. The only way I can find it enough of a challenge to be fun is to bring kits/weapons where I have NFI what I'm doing.
And I don't have a maxed manifest. I don't even have very detailed knowledge on spawn control, only some vague general ideas. I have like half the played hours of people with max manifests, and I have only played Platinum around 10 times now (most of them by accident!).
So... I honestly can't understand why anyone with a maxed manifest, who probably has over 1000 hours played and a good chunk of those hours spent in Platinum, would be playing in Silver besides Challenge grinding. I would think such players would consider Gold to be 'relaxing' enough.
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#86
Posté 20 mai 2013 - 07:38
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Been awhile since Ive played silver. Guess Im bad 
#87
Posté 20 mai 2013 - 08:53
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Most players play bronze/silver.
The greediest players die on gold.
The best players complete platinum.
The greediest players die on gold.
The best players complete platinum.
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Posté 20 mai 2013 - 09:24
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Play bronze and you see only superawesome players 
#89
Posté 20 mai 2013 - 09:39
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You didn't play lot of those difficulties lately, did you? Because too often you join a silver pug only to realize you're doing solo with audience.Dragonhalls wrote...
everybody is good in silver and bronze
#90
Posté 20 mai 2013 - 10:16
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wnieves wrote...
I play on silver to level up and grind for banners.
This.
I usually duo these with my husband though. I rarely pug these days.
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Posté 20 mai 2013 - 01:20
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OniGanon wrote...
And I don't have a maxed manifest. I don't even have very detailed knowledge on spawn control, only some vague general ideas. I have like half the played hours of people with max manifests, and I have only played Platinum around 10 times now (most of them by accident!).
Out of curiosity why so little Platinum? You're easily good enough from the games we've played.
#92
Posté 20 mai 2013 - 01:34
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I was playing silver this weekend to refinish my shotgun mastery (geth shotgun and Graal) and as soon as that was done took the silver pug noobs with me to gold. 2 of the 3 weren't good about doing objectives, but we got full extraction in those two additional matches. It was challenging, but I guess it was nice showing off my dick.
#93
Posté 20 mai 2013 - 01:37
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OniGanon wrote...
This is going to sound really conceited, but...
Silver is honestly too easy for me to have fun with it any more. If I play it with my best kits and weapons and play at my normal capacity, I will usually dominate so hard that I suspect I'm detrimental to the fun of the other players, and I'll still be a little bored. The only way I can find it enough of a challenge to be fun is to bring kits/weapons where I have NFI what I'm doing.
And I don't have a maxed manifest. I don't even have very detailed knowledge on spawn control, only some vague general ideas. I have like half the played hours of people with max manifests, and I have only played Platinum around 10 times now (most of them by accident!).
So... I honestly can't understand why anyone with a maxed manifest, who probably has over 1000 hours played and a good chunk of those hours spent in Platinum, would be playing in Silver besides Challenge grinding. I would think such players would consider Gold to be 'relaxing' enough.
I generally go into silver with guns/loadouts I want to use but suck at. ****ty characters I've been taking to gold with fair results.
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Posté 20 mai 2013 - 01:39
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OniGanon wrote...
So... I honestly can't understand why anyone with a maxed manifest, who probably has over 1000 hours played and a good chunk of those hours spent in Platinum, would be playing in Silver besides Challenge grinding. I would think such players would consider Gold to be 'relaxing' enough.
True. I only go silver now if just promoted, and usually solo it to lvl 10 but than swich to gold. Gold is the optimal diff for relaxarion/fun and it's still challenging especially for pug lottery.
Platinum is just toil and sweat, but a good team can make it feel like silver. Unless we decide not to nuke the spawns.
But you are a good player Oni, and I'm glad we had a chance to kill stuff together.
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Posté 20 mai 2013 - 01:48
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I bop in-between silver & gold 'cause if the lobby in gold looks weak & I leave to search for another gold lobby I'll likely get the same lobby again unless I switch to silver! I don't want 40 minute failed gold matches where I have to use 6 gels -- I already have to spend too much on JEPs. So I lower the level of consumables I'm using and do a quick silver match.
I'm also surprised sometimes by the high level players (XP points, BOTB, or manifest) I sometimes find in silver.
LOL all you want (to stroke ur epeen) but very few of us are exceptionally good at this.
I'm also surprised sometimes by the high level players (XP points, BOTB, or manifest) I sometimes find in silver.
LOL all you want (to stroke ur epeen) but very few of us are exceptionally good at this.
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#96
Posté 20 mai 2013 - 02:18
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All the big boys and girls are now playing Silver, huh? Somehow I don't buy this, but being one of those terrible Plat / Gold pugging scrubs (e.g. I ragegell all the time, among my many other vices and flaws), I cannot really comment much on the supposed level of a Silver playerbase. Well, other that I am highly doubtful that this is about anything else but the difficulty itself, like many have noted already. Ofc, this is one of those issues, which can be pretty difficult to discuss or compare observations and experiences. it's quite hard to really quantify any of this, after all. So we are mostly reliant on our personal experiences and anecdotes (which are not worthless, but given the size of the playerbase, they are pretty limited).
As an example, you mention doing objectives intelligently (I presume) as one your baselines of comparing PUGs, but that is pretty incomparable between two difficulties. It's not the objectives themselves, which require any kind of sophistication, skill, tactics or intellect to complete. It's those enemies and wavebudget, which make a demand for tactics and cooperation during those objective rounds. In that regard Silver and Gold simple are not comparable at any mean. Quite many Gold Pugs just cannot handle doing objectives, when that death squad of four Phantoms is charging right at them, even if they otherwise might have a vague understanding of what you are suppose to do and how.
I can believe that there isn't a very wide gap between Silver PUGs and Gold PUGs, and essentially the two are very much alike, and often same people play both difficulties. Latter just makes a skill a lot more relevant for an overall success of a match. This thread is tempting me to do couple of Silver runs next time I'll play. Just out of a curiosity really, like how many maxed manifests I'll encounter, and seeing what kind of players are out there.
Regardless, I find the whole idea of people running on Silver with X ultra rares and maxed gear very profane (or at least very juvenile, reminds me of elementary school times, like playing Doom with using iddqd). I guess, it could be relaxing and gratifying to some, but to me effect would be same as playing with a body bumped full of Benzos.
As an example, you mention doing objectives intelligently (I presume) as one your baselines of comparing PUGs, but that is pretty incomparable between two difficulties. It's not the objectives themselves, which require any kind of sophistication, skill, tactics or intellect to complete. It's those enemies and wavebudget, which make a demand for tactics and cooperation during those objective rounds. In that regard Silver and Gold simple are not comparable at any mean. Quite many Gold Pugs just cannot handle doing objectives, when that death squad of four Phantoms is charging right at them, even if they otherwise might have a vague understanding of what you are suppose to do and how.
I can believe that there isn't a very wide gap between Silver PUGs and Gold PUGs, and essentially the two are very much alike, and often same people play both difficulties. Latter just makes a skill a lot more relevant for an overall success of a match. This thread is tempting me to do couple of Silver runs next time I'll play. Just out of a curiosity really, like how many maxed manifests I'll encounter, and seeing what kind of players are out there.
Regardless, I find the whole idea of people running on Silver with X ultra rares and maxed gear very profane (or at least very juvenile, reminds me of elementary school times, like playing Doom with using iddqd). I guess, it could be relaxing and gratifying to some, but to me effect would be same as playing with a body bumped full of Benzos.
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Posté 20 mai 2013 - 02:44
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It has been taking me a lot longer to find a Gold PUG since March. But I got a good 5 hours in this weekend. The final PUG last night ended up in Silver, I don't know how. I went down once in Wave 1 then cruised through the rest of it and it was Collectors. I only play PUG's and never use a mike. Just trying to get to extraction. Keep it Tight, People.
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Posté 20 mai 2013 - 03:04
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Did a couple silvers last night as I couldn't find a decent gold lobby and didn't feel like carrying.
Landed gearless on a Geth/Dagger and rushed into the first spawn I found, getting insta-downed. Intentionally bled out. The other guys (it was only 2 of them) went down too but gelled up. Did you read that? They gelled. I went down more times during the game. They revived me. They did objectives. They gelled. They used rockets. They revived me.
Looked for another lobby and repeated the experiment, with similar results.
On a sidenote, I've a guy on my FL who although has been around for about as long as me (400 hours) has only played silver, and he does it good, same as the pugs described above. Then one day I invited him to our gold lobby, he said he didn't feel ready, but I calmed him down telling him we were all experienced gold players and would be fine.
He then drops in, and readies up without any consumables. My friends berage, I shrug. Match starts, he does next to awful, and whenever nobody can revive him because he's on the other side of the map he bleeds out. Having gel. No rockets. No one single gel used, not even on money waves.
I really try to understand what goes wrong when pugs step up from silver, but I just can't.
Landed gearless on a Geth/Dagger and rushed into the first spawn I found, getting insta-downed. Intentionally bled out. The other guys (it was only 2 of them) went down too but gelled up. Did you read that? They gelled. I went down more times during the game. They revived me. They did objectives. They gelled. They used rockets. They revived me.
Looked for another lobby and repeated the experiment, with similar results.
On a sidenote, I've a guy on my FL who although has been around for about as long as me (400 hours) has only played silver, and he does it good, same as the pugs described above. Then one day I invited him to our gold lobby, he said he didn't feel ready, but I calmed him down telling him we were all experienced gold players and would be fine.
He then drops in, and readies up without any consumables. My friends berage, I shrug. Match starts, he does next to awful, and whenever nobody can revive him because he's on the other side of the map he bleeds out. Having gel. No rockets. No one single gel used, not even on money waves.
I really try to understand what goes wrong when pugs step up from silver, but I just can't.
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Posté 20 mai 2013 - 03:36
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So, to prove my original observation wrong, was the last game of the night. Cirvante and I had opened up the lobby to two randoms and we dropped into Hazard Dagger/Reapers. It was going to be a typical "Cirvante kills everything, Dave extracts and doesn't embarrass himself" match.
Except Cirvante didn't get in. He was stuck on the loading screen, never entered the game, and was killed and bled out. Another random showed up in the game shortly afterward, and now it was a full on Gold PUG. It was surprisingly smooth. No one needed to be carried. We did have a small issue with a pizza delivery, but I got the package there by using 2 rockets to clear my path. Almost a full extract, just one guy getting synced on the extraction wave.
So obviously there are good players going in as randoms in Gold matches.
Except Cirvante didn't get in. He was stuck on the loading screen, never entered the game, and was killed and bled out. Another random showed up in the game shortly afterward, and now it was a full on Gold PUG. It was surprisingly smooth. No one needed to be carried. We did have a small issue with a pizza delivery, but I got the package there by using 2 rockets to clear my path. Almost a full extract, just one guy getting synced on the extraction wave.
So obviously there are good players going in as randoms in Gold matches.
#100
Posté 20 mai 2013 - 03:55
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likta_ wrote...
I mainly play silver, and I can't confirm your observation.
Xbox here and my experience has been the same as the OP, luckily, I've promoted my Infiltrator class 50 times now and no more, just the other classes to get to 50 now so I can feel comfortable with no longer promoting them but at least with the Infiltrator I can clutch a game if the other players suck.
I've been finding Silver a nice change as I've been leveling up and it also gives me much more breathing space when I am not only working on a chaacter I'm non too good at and with weapons I don't usually use for my Challenge points.
