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[GallowsPole]

Leland Gaunt wrote...

Notorious P I G wrote...

Wrong. All the best players are in the thunderdome.

There might be some truth hidden in that statement.

I've seen more truth at a Pinochio convention.

[sabreracer]

DaveT wrote...

So, to prove my original observation wrong, was the last game of the night. Cirvante and I had opened up the lobby to two randoms and we dropped into Hazard Dagger/Reapers. It was going to be a typical "Cirvante kills everything, Dave extracts and doesn't embarrass himself" match.

Except Cirvante didn't get in. He was stuck on the loading screen, never entered the game, and was killed and bled out. Another random showed up in the game shortly afterward, and now it was a full on Gold PUG. It was surprisingly smooth. No one needed to be carried. We did have a small issue with a pizza delivery, but I got the package there by using 2 rockets to clear my path. Almost a full extract, just one guy getting synced on the extraction wave.

So obviously there are good players going in as randoms in Gold matches.

The luck of the draw.  Reven and I were PUGing earlier (with two of us it's fairly safe) got a pair of experienced players.  Stayed together for three games I scored last in two and third in the other  (wasn't using my fav kits) they used full cons.  Having said that I'm seeing PUG lobbies equiping consumables most of the time these days.  Maybe I'm just lucky.

[BioticPulse]

There is no doubt in my mind that ALOT of the players playing gold (especially BSN'ers) are beyond awesome at playing this game (just look at all theese fabulous youtube vids - many of them way more fun to watch than anything on TV). I fully understand that you see silver (i barely dare to mention bronce) as levels of too much ease.

Well, from reading these posts I actually feel tempted in trying to play some more gold level games. Could just stay in lolsilver doing what I always do. will try however to give the gold puggin' a more serious go to test my consistency, to spice up the gaming challenge, to try and step up and,hopefully, to make some new friends in the process. :-)

I am a laidback player that primarily plays this game for fun, but that doesn't mean that I will be a leaching scrub that expects being carried.

I actually do not care If I end up first or last on the scoreboard in the process, but I will get in the game and give it the best I got (do know how to gel, to rocket and know the importance of consumables).

Truth or consequence i guess on my behalf to see how good I actually am and, hopefully, be able to be one of those that nails the gold pug prejudice to the wall. Hope to meet some friendly people being willing to help me getting better in the process.

This thread Actually made me want to get better and get more out of this game. That's what it is all about i guess :-)

[OniGanon]

sabreracer wrote...
Out of curiosity why so little Platinum?  You're easily good enough from the games we've played. 

1. I'm a bit of a wuss...
2. Many of my builds are specifically designed for Gold health/shield/damage levels, rendering them useles on Platinum
3. From the few times I've played it, it's just been so stressful it doesn't seem like much fun
4. After being usually at the top of the scoreboard for so long, it's kind've a downer to start at the bottom again...

I'll get there eventually... maybe...

[LoneWolf3905]

I really don't think all the good players are on silver. I've had "WTF" silver games, because pugs love doing weird S***.

[Star fury]

OniGanon wrote...
1. I'm a bit of a wuss...
2. Many of my builds are specifically designed for Gold health/shield/damage levels, rendering them useles on Platinum
3. From the few times I've played it, it's just been so stressful it doesn't seem like much fun
4. After being usually at the top of the scoreboard for so long, it's kind've a downer to start at the bottom again...

I'll get there eventually... maybe...

If you're good on gold, you will be pretty comfortable on platinum too. It just requires some adjustment, practice to get used to bullet-sponge mobs and higher damage. You also need to have DPS-oriented classes to make it easier.

[SectiplaveB4]

Running a level 20 character with a decent weapon and some equipment in silver will make almost anyone appear good if score is the decider.

My issue with Silver is still a general lack of team play, been playing a fair bit lately simply to complete x/200 waves complete. I can scan around and literally see one player in each corner of the map, frequently find only 2 of 4 members in hacks or escorts, people ignoring the target marked for take down and wave 11 rocket madness without even scoring killstreaks.

[inadvisable]

Silver is good, because the reward is considerable and you can hardly have much consumables.

[Taritu]

Jeremiah12LGeek wrote...

There's definitely a strange cross-section happening.

The Gold and Platinum communities are the smallest of the four difficulties.

Whereas most of the last year, those communities were largely populated by higher-end players and BSN lurkers, the demographic has, I think, shifted.

More of the BSN lurkers have moved on, now that active support has ended. I don't think the community shrank in size much, since many of them were essentially replaced by newer players. The new ones exploded into Gold all at once, and overwhelmed the existing culture of "Gear up, and try your best, or we kick you."

Since most lobbies would have at least a couple of such players, kicking them wasn't an option. Leaving was, but as things went on, that accomplished little more (for most players) than to extend the time required to find a lobby.

I was starting in Gold when all this was happening, so I have less of a perspective on it, and some of my conclusions are based on the observations of others. But it seems that in Gold and Platinum, specifically, there is no numerical way to return to the days where Gold was more of a "gated" community.

While I'm no fan of kicking... I have to say it would be nice if there had been a way to deal with the issue before it became overwhelmingly impossible to do so.

Anyway, that leaves Silver as a strange mix. There are habitual Gold players, like myself, who test new kits/builds in Silver, because we're still working our way through the Challenges and Kits. There are players making the jump to Silver from Bronze. And both of those groups are likely to Gear Up, and make their best effort.

The odds of success are higher, so players in the middle are more likely to be confident they'll see a return on their investment. They'll be more willing to use consumables and gear.

Players on the cusp in Gold see a JEP as the only way to effectively replace the consumables they lost, and that doesn't help them with their Manifest. So, instead, they spend nothing, hoping to be carried to Wave 10. But, if they don't get past Wave 6, by not spending consumables or equipment, they have guaranteed a profit, however small.

Of course, that profit is coming off the strength of other players' investments and efforts. I realize this more every time I play. Which is why I'm a heck of a lot more comfortable with the idea of kicking those players than I ever used to be.

This.  The GOTY changed the composition of Gold lobbies.  I used to assume I'd have good players (at least not bad ones), and if I did, you could kick them. Idiots say "host", but that doesn't work, because if you get two lamers, you can't kick them because they won't kick each other.  And by lamers I mean people with N7s below 120. people still using the default weapon loadout, people who don't even equip gear, forget equipment. So you have to leave, but often that doesn't make any difference.

There are some good pugs out there, I'd say half, but sometimes you just have no luck.  I assume I'm going to have to carry, but that, in turn, has made me less tolerant of lagg hosts.  If I'm going to have to solo multiple waves, I can't do it if I'm rubberbanding, if damage doesn't show up until suddenly I'm dead 10 feet from where my computer thought I was.

At the same time, silver is just too easy.  I play almost nothing but gold, I can play Plat but rarely do, so silver bores me.

[sabreracer]

OniGanon wrote...

sabreracer wrote...
Out of curiosity why so little Platinum?  You're easily good enough from the games we've played. 

1. I'm a bit of a wuss...
2. Many of my builds are specifically designed for Gold health/shield/damage levels, rendering them useles on Platinum
3. From the few times I've played it, it's just been so stressful it doesn't seem like much fun
4. After being usually at the top of the scoreboard for so long, it's kind've a downer to start at the bottom again...

I'll get there eventually... maybe...

1: No need to be.  I went from Silver to Gold to Plat in three days.
2: I change nothing about my kits to go Plat.  If it's Gold worthy it's usable but you would be better off at first with your favourite top scoring kit.
3: The first few times are a bit what? Àaaargh but you get used to it.  Just play with three other regular Plat players to keep the pressure off and you'll be fine.
4: No big deal.  Play it with me and you won't be at the bottom .  If you do want to have a proper go give me a shout.  I have many people on my list that good for Plat.

[Taritu]

sabreracer wrote...

OniGanon wrote...

sabreracer wrote...
Out of curiosity why so little Platinum?  You're easily good enough from the games we've played. 

1. I'm a bit of a wuss...
2. Many of my builds are specifically designed for Gold health/shield/damage levels, rendering them useles on Platinum
3. From the few times I've played it, it's just been so stressful it doesn't seem like much fun
4. After being usually at the top of the scoreboard for so long, it's kind've a downer to start at the bottom again...

I'll get there eventually... maybe...

1: No need to be.  I went from Silver to Gold to Plat in three days.
2: I change nothing about my kits to go Plat.  If it's Gold worthy it's usable but you would be better off at first with your favourite top scoring kit.
3: The first few times are a bit what? Àaaargh but you get used to it.  Just play with three other regular Plat players to keep the pressure off and you'll be fine.
4: No big deal.  Play it with me and you won't be at the bottom .  If you do want to have a proper go give me a shout.  I have many people on my list that good for Plat.

The main thing about plat is that there are more bosses. You're actually in less danger a lot of the time, IF you have the dps to take them down. There are some kits I really wouldn't take into Plat that I love on Gold (Shadow, for example), but yeah, basically, if you can do gold, you can do plat

[Sinapus]

I pug Silver, and have some friends whom I play Gold matches with. They even convinced me to play a Platinum match about a week ago. We won, though I was mostly running away screaming. ("The Banshees, Brutes and Praetorians are chasing me and the Atlases/Ravagers are cheering them on! Eeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!")


I don't think "all the good players" are on Silver. A lot of the pugs I've been in have been... mixed. If you know the game pretty well you can do very good on silver despite other players, though the fool who stands in the open next to me so a Scion's splash damage kills both of us is hard to defeat.



Bronze is my "I'm home from work and want to kill some time w/o frustration" level. Silver I can pug, but I have to deal with some frustration if I get a particularly inept group or I'm tired and not playing as well as I usually do.

[Jesse]

I too used to PUG Silver majority of the time, doing the odd Gold here and there, and where required for weekend challenges. I never bothered too much with having to complete ALL THE GOLD WAVES for the Map Mastery Challenge - because I never thought I'd get Lone Wolf. But low and behold after spending 2 days mostly at home from work sick and taking the time, I got the 3 Silver and 2 Gold (also counts for Silver and Bronze) Solo's completed, I then switched to all the gold waves mode - which I am still in, though the end is in sight.

I have found that getting a Gold PUG lobby full usually takes 5-10mins at the times I play (UTC+9:30 Evenings) and they vary from absolutely useless to rather competent. I sometimes do a Silver lobby first, then judging by how good everyone is working together, will bump to Gold as well.

Once I've done the remaining 15 Gold matches I need to get those missing waves, I'll probably drop back to mostly pugging Silver unless I get a friend or 2, or the team is doing well in Silver.

And no, I haven't maxed my UR's, and the rate I get them drop, it'll be a while yet

[wnieves]

Just started plugging gold this week. I used to play gold only with friends or AHF crowd. Its was different in I had to cover my own rear end. Every little teamwork. Like playing solo with everyone spread out. I used a DIA specced for recon mines. It was fun spawning explosions and crowd control. Rarely fired my smg. So use to it a few times went in without consumables.

Modifié par wnieves, 28 mai 2013 - 10:15 .

[quebra]

DaveT wrote...

Just personal experience from the last 2 days, so indicative of nothing.  But every PUG since Thursday night, the Silver games I go into have experienced players with level X weapons, consumables equipped and a good knowledge of spawn control and doing objectives.  80% of them have been without any deaths, and never a bleed out.

The Gold PUGs have been working as intended.  People with level II weapons that refuse to put on consumables and forget that we have objectives to complete.  I haven't made it past wave 5 in a Gold PUG in the last 2 days.  When I'm having to clutch waves 2 and 3, it isn't a good sign.

I suspect that with more and more people getting maxed manifests, they are gravitating toward Silver for less stressful games.  Those of us working on manifests are the ones trying to find Gold lobbies.

As an XBOX player recently returned to the game after around 2 months off, I can confirm that this is the case for me 100%.  I know the store is full of sh!t, and that I will never see another UR, let alone another useful UR... So no point in worrying about credit farming.

I enjoy playing silver now.  Somtimes it's a romp fore me, coming in grossly OP, and sometimes 'll just tinker with an off build, but well armed.  I spend a fair amount of time now helping other players (tactics builds).  It's nice to see when the new players really start to contribute.  If I'm out for a romp, and stealing kills or whatever, please feel free to tell me to slow down.  I'm respectful that everyone is out to have fun.

Is it just me?  I'm seeing more and more people just picking up the game in the last week.  I think BIO/EA really missed the bus on abandoning the game only 1 year in.

Modifié par quebra, 28 mai 2013 - 05:07 .

[R0ugeSp3ctre]

I currently play silver with the occasional Gold match. I have completed about a dozen Golds now most of which were with a fellow BSN'er. Great games.

[Tup3x]

I think the main reason is that most don't bother with gold let alone platinum because those would require sheitloads of grinding to make them fun. I have well working combinations for silver but gold feels burdensome (mainly because no matter how much you drill in their heads, they just don't die).

[R0ugeSp3ctre]

I tried playing Bronze for a while. Managed to get kicked after my third match. I guess the others grew tired of me killing absolutely everything... So, I migrated to Silver where I still top board. Looking to move to Gold soon after I get some decent equipment.

[Paragon Soldier]

I have no choice but to play Silver, whenever, I even attemt to sign into a Gold lobby I get kicked before I even see it, it's not like I even have bad loadouts, or no consumables.

[R0ugeSp3ctre]

Chris Redfield Shepard wrote...

I have no choice but to play Silver, whenever, I even attemt to sign into a Gold lobby I get kicked before I even see it, it's not like I even have bad loadouts, or no consumables.

I experience this as well. Anytime I play gold, I host an unknown/unknown lobby and start before anyone else joins. At least I get to play one game without being ejected from lobby, and my host is decent. Other players usually trickle in by wave 3 or four.

[GordianKnot42]

I almost always play Silver, but haven't played in a month. Rest assured that when I return I'll bring the Silver average back down where it belongs.